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Wellington Targeted By 18th Street Gang

By Greg L | 25 June 2009 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Manassas City | 65 Comments

UPDATE: Two suspects arrested!  A new version of the video including information about the suspects is now available.

Today residents of the Wellington neighborhood in Manassas awoke to find an abundance of 18th Street gang graffiti on public and private property in their neighborhood.  Even someone as friendly to the cause of illegal aliens as California Senator Dianne Feinstein has documented in a report that 80% of the members of this gang are illegal aliens.  Until government, at all levels gets serious about addressing the problem of illegal immigration, we will continue to see transnational gangs such as this one, which has ties to Mexican and Columbian drug cartels, continue to be a problem in our community.

See comments for some important updates in this case…



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65 Comments

  1. I"m just saying... said on 25 Jun 2009 at 10:04 pm:
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    Now… THAT”s good reporting.

  2. Anonymous said on 25 Jun 2009 at 10:32 pm:
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    I thought they only were here to work hard and take care of their families? Maybe the down-turn with the economy has changed things. (TIC)

  3. startover said on 26 Jun 2009 at 12:16 am:
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    Has anyone seen those who hang out on the corners,supposedly for work, are now bringing their kids with them?

    Have seen several times now at Rt. One and Parkway the so called adults with several children with them. Guess they take them to work with them??????

    Maybe Social Services or Health Dept. can check it out.

    They will be contacted. Keep your eyes out for this across the County.

  4. anon said on 26 Jun 2009 at 5:42 am:
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    Hey, don’t bother us about this. We are too busy standing in the median of I-66 west of Nutley every afternoon pulling over dangerous HOV violators. Now shut up and politely sit in stop and go traffic until you pass by us just before the Blake Lane overpass.

    Sincerely, The Virginia State Police

  5. Anonymous said on 26 Jun 2009 at 8:49 am:
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    startover said on 26 Jun 2009 at 12:16 am: Flag comment
    Has anyone seen those who hang out on the corners,supposedly for work, are now bringing their kids with them?

    Who the heck knows what they are doing with their kids….renting them out???? Child labor??? As sick as this sounds……desperate times, desperate people…..I could think of many things that COULD be happening…..
    I say we call SS on them!!!!

  6. starryflights said on 26 Jun 2009 at 11:15 am:
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    I would like to see some action from the BOCS. Has it hit any of THEIR neighborhoods yet? I am guessing that we will have to wait for that, before we REALLY see any strong crackdowns on the illegal aliens living in our county. I feel like many have come back to my neighborhood. Get rid of the illegal aliens and many of the gang problems will go away with them.

  7. Concerned in Wellington said on 26 Jun 2009 at 11:45 am:
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    Wellington is part in the City of Manassas and part in Wally Covington’s district. I’d like to see him post here on BVBL what he plans to do about this problem. The police do little or nothing. One of the flop houses (a repeat offender who has been visited numerous times by PWCPD) was blasting car stereos again this week. The officer witnessed it (again) and did nothing other than speak with him (again) - same guy and house they have visited many times. Maybe Wally and Chief Deane can tell us here on BVBL if they plan to continue ignoring this problem as well and leave Wellington residents to continue to suffer.

  8. Greg L said on 26 Jun 2009 at 1:11 pm:
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    Stand by for some updates. I’ve got some great news coming soon…

  9. Big Dog said on 26 Jun 2009 at 1:26 pm:
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    According to a just released MCPD press release, two suspects have
    been arrested and charged.

  10. Big Dog said on 26 Jun 2009 at 1:39 pm:
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    The suspects are:
    - Silfredo Barrientos (18)
    7551 Hyde Ct. , Manassas
    - Jose Alvarez (20)
    9109 New Britain Ct., Manassas
    (Their immigration status was not noted in the release).

    Good work by the MCPD!

  11. Greg L said on 26 Jun 2009 at 2:47 pm:
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    I spoke with Chief Skinner earlier today, and he wanted to convey that alert citizens spotted two suspects and the police quickly set up a perimeter around the area. Detective Bombara of the NVGTF and an officer pulled over a car with the two suspects shortly thereafter and they were each arrested and charged with five counts of destruction of property and gang participation. They have been processed by the Adult Detention Center and determined to be U.S. Citizens.

    The city contracted with a cleaning company today and as of this afternoon all the graffiti has been removed from both public property, which was done yesterday, as well as private property. The two suspects will be assessed a fine to cover the costs of the cleanup, so homeowners who were victims here won’t have to bear the cost of dealing with what these two gang-bangers did.

    Chief Skinner is to be commended for getting a rapid and effective response in this case that quickly caught the suspects and got them in jail. Manassas City’s response to the graffiti is tremendous, as not only did their public works department have their property cleaned up within hours, but they got the private property cleaned up quickly as well, something they didn’t have to do.

    The word ought to be going out to the gang-bangers in the area: if you mess with Manassas, you are going to be in a world of hurt darned fast, and for all that trouble whatever you did will be gone in a day. Now if we can only get other jurisdictions to be anywhere near as responsive as Manassas City, which has set a tremendously high standard here. Manassas City is doing it absolutely right, and I’ve no doubt over the next few months we’re going to see gangs in Manassas go to ground, or shift operations to the Park and the county where the chances of them getting nailed are lower.

    If gangs want a fight, they came to the right place this week, and they’re going to lose in Manassas.

    The video is currently being updated with new information about the suspects arrested.

  12. Fran Kendrick said on 26 Jun 2009 at 3:15 pm:
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    Fantastic job by MCPD, Chief Skinner and also to Greg for keeping us
    informed!

  13. Gurduloo said on 26 Jun 2009 at 3:32 pm:
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    Funny that there’s still so much graffiti on public property in the Point of Woods area - it’s been there for 2 or 3 weeks now.

  14. Anonymous said on 26 Jun 2009 at 3:47 pm:
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    anon said on 26 Jun 2009 at 5:42 am: Flag comment

    Hey, don’t bother us about this. We are too busy standing in the median of I-66 west of Nutley every afternoon pulling over dangerous HOV violators. Now shut up and politely sit in stop and go traffic until you pass by us just before the Blake Lane overpass.

    Sincerely, The Virginia State Police

    Hit all the violators with a $500 fine and then up it to $1000 for subsequent violations and you won’t need the State Police there. Break the law, pay the price!

  15. Anonymous said on 26 Jun 2009 at 3:49 pm:
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    Hey meester, you wanna meet my seester?

  16. Anonymous said on 26 Jun 2009 at 3:56 pm:
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    Greg L said on 26 Jun 2009 at 2:47 pm: Flag comment

    I spoke with Chief Skinner earlier today, and he wanted to convey that alert citizens spotted two suspects and the police quickly set up a perimeter around the area. Detective Bombara of the NVGTF and an officer pulled over a car with the two suspects shortly thereafter and they were each arrested and charged with five counts of destruction of property and gang participation. They have been processed by the Adult Detention Center and determined to be U.S. Citizens.

    Now they have to clean up the graffiti problem in the Point of Woods area. Virtually all of the mail boxes at the entrances to townhouses on Liberia Ave. are covered with it.

  17. legal2 said on 26 Jun 2009 at 4:00 pm:
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    I have noticed the latino “good humor” carts are coming out - though driving by, I did not see any sort of license on the peddlers or the carts. Mostly Georgetown South.

  18. starryflights said on 26 Jun 2009 at 4:26 pm:
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    The ice cream carts are also in the Mapledale section of Dale City…new this year. I don’t like it, not ONE BIT!

  19. Dave in PWC said on 26 Jun 2009 at 4:40 pm:
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    How do I get the video to play?

  20. Greg L said on 26 Jun 2009 at 4:48 pm:
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    Click on it. If that doesn’t work (AOL users sometimes have issues), go to http://vimeo.com/5328851

  21. Jonathan Way said on 26 Jun 2009 at 5:27 pm:
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    To: Gurduloo

    The city government takes graffitti very seriously. It degrades the quality of our neighborhoods and can make residents uneasy or feel threatened.

    In general, graffitti removal on private property is the responsibility of the owner and on public property is the responsibility of the city. We do contact owners as soon as the graffitti is known and put them on notice to remove it in short order.

    The very recent incident on Hastings Road required prompt removal action which has been fully accomplished within one day. We did technically remove some graffitti on private property, but within city right of way. In any case, this was an extreme and vulgar example which could not be allowed to wait for the normal procedures.

    If you know of instances where graffitti which has been reported and is still around two weeks later, then please telephone our Neighborhood Services Manager (Ms. Kisha Wilson-Sugunro) at 703-257-8240. I am confident you will find her receptive and responsive. You or anybody else can also contact me at 703-368-9174 and I will ensure action is taken as rapidly as can be done within legal constraints.

    Finally, I would like to congratulate Greg on the timeliness and informative nature of this blog flag (or whatever you call it). We cannot tolerate this sort of gang intrusion, whether perpetrated by illegal aliens or by U.S. citizens.

    Jonathan Way
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  22. BothPartiesColludeAgainstUs said on 26 Jun 2009 at 7:13 pm:
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    Wow … great work by the Police and the City and this board too.

  23. bonscott1976 said on 27 Jun 2009 at 12:33 am:
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    wellington…well…nothing new there is there???…lol. you guys should check out manassas park for sme graffiti. 18th st., ms13 you name it.

  24. Anonymous said on 27 Jun 2009 at 6:00 am:
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    bonscott1976, which side of Manassas Park? I don’t see any in Blooms.

  25. Anonymous said on 27 Jun 2009 at 10:07 am:
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    Check out Liberia Ave. in the city.

  26. Anonymous said on 27 Jun 2009 at 1:22 pm:
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    They’re slowly all coming back aren’t they. I’ve seen several roach coaches on my drive to and from work. They all disappeared right after the Resolution took effect, but now they are coming out of wherever they were stored. Soon the shopping centers in Woodbridge will be a Mexican fast food mecca once again!

  27. sahdman said on 27 Jun 2009 at 3:20 pm:
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    bonscott1976, Where is the graffiti in Manassas Park? I haven’t seen any new taggings on the older side of town.

  28. Brian Leeper said on 27 Jun 2009 at 6:16 pm:
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    I haven’t seen any graffiti in MP lately. There was some on the RR signal control box @ the RR crossing on Manassas Drive a couple of years ago, and MP was very quick to deal with it. It was there one day and gone the next.

    Studies show that the recurrence of graffiti goes up dramatically if it’s not cleaned up within 24 hours. In other words, the longer it’s left there the more likely it is that more will join it.

    Graffiti is like so many other problems that just get larger when they’re ignored.

  29. citizenofmanassas said on 27 Jun 2009 at 9:21 pm:
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    I live in Wellington, and have not come across the graffiti, and in fact this is the first I’ve heard of it.

    I’m glad the two knuckleheads were caught, though, I bet it pissed off the good ladies on the anti-site along with some of the our City Council, namely Wolfe who did not even mention illegal aliens in his nominating speech two years ago. He is on record as stating he is more concerned with the opinions of those living outside of the City then he is about doing something about illegals. He felt businesses would not come to Manassas if we made it too tough for illegals here.

    Well, Mr. smart guy, do you think a business would move to the City to risk having their building “tagged”? Do you think a business would move to the City knowing we have a gang turf war on our hands?

    Well, Wolfe, what do you have to say now? Care to invite this gang into your house and break bread with them?

  30. Emma said on 27 Jun 2009 at 9:37 pm:
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    Mr. Wolfe lives in Wellington, so he’s got a nice, cozy HOA to protect him from lving next to flophouses and the like. That allows him to flip the bird at the rest of us peons who don’t live in HOA neighborhoods and had to put up with this crap.

  31. Brian Leeper said on 27 Jun 2009 at 10:27 pm:
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    “Do you think a business would move to the City knowing we have a gang turf war on our hands?”

    Not legitimate businesses, anyway…wasn’t the proprietor of El Vaquero here in the Park running drugs and guns through his establishment, according to a story in the Examiner back in October?

    That seems like the kind of business you might get with a gang turf war on your hands.

  32. Anonymous said on 27 Jun 2009 at 10:29 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 27 Jun 2009 at 1:22 pm: Flag comment

    They’re slowly all coming back aren’t they. I’ve seen several roach coaches on my drive to and from work. They all disappeared right after the Resolution took effect, but now they are coming out of wherever they were stored. Soon the shopping centers in Woodbridge will be a Mexican fast food mecca once again!

    Went past a former “FOR RENT” house on Rolling Rd in Manassas and there were 2 roach coaches parked in the driveway. THEY’RE BACK. Also noticed a tied open storm door on Westmoreland Ave (the house with the parking lot the size of Giant’s and 8 cars parked there on Saturday nights. Guess the “resolution” didn’t scare them off for long.

  33. Sick of it said on 27 Jun 2009 at 10:57 pm:
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    I live on a street near Westmoreland, and am getting really sick of seeing the house at the intersection of Westmoreland and Victoria with their door propped open. Can’t we do something about this crap? We have to force these vermin out of our city. Out of our state. OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. Does anyone have any suggestions on what we can do? Maybe send fliers to all their neighbors or something?

  34. Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 12:24 am:
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    Can you imagine how bad things are going to get when there is the incentive of free health care???

  35. Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 11:44 am:
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    Sick of it said on 27 Jun 2009 at 10:57 pm: Flag comment
    Can’t we do something about this crap?

    Not much can be done. The resolution scared them off for a while but since it was watered down, now they see it is only a resolution in name only and like cockroaches, they come back to the same place they are familiar with. Every day you see the number of cars at a single familiy houses increase, see storm doors tied open like they were before the resolution indicating ROOMS FOR RENT - INCLUDES CLOSETS AND OUTDOOR SHEDS. SPECIAL DEALS FOR ANYONE WANTING TO RENT INSULATED GARAGE SPACE. In a few months, this area will look just like it did in 2007/2008. It has already started. Neighborhood services apparently doesn’t check the area any more. If they did, they would cite the commercial vehicles parked outside single family homes and the multiple vehicles parked on lawns. One would have to be completely blind not to see these blatant violations. A number or months ago the was an allegation that the inspectors were giving out the names of persons filing complaints with neighborhood services. I don’t know if that was true or not but the allegation was made and there seems to be little enforcement of county law. Notice that now the area is covered with ‘WE BUY HOUSES’ signs halfway up telephone poles so they can’t be easily removed by residents. Where is neighborhood services and why are they not fining those that are advertising their trash?

  36. Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 1:29 pm:
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    Can’t wait until my son graduates from HS. Then we are out of here! And I don’t mean this state, I mean this COUNTRY! We can’t bear to watch it being destroyed day after day by the loonie left, and their friends, the illegals. What the hell did my father and husband fight for???? It makes us sick to our stomachs.

  37. Big Dog said on 28 Jun 2009 at 4:22 pm:
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    The PWC website on graffiti states (in part):
    -Report-Record-Remove
    -The property owner is responsible for removing graffiti within
    seven days after it has been reported.
    - If the property owner does not remove the graffiti, PWC staff
    is allowed to enter private property to remove it.
    - “Government and law enforcement efforts alone will not
    solve the problem”. Citizens must be extra PD eyes and ears.
    (Manassas City has the same basic information)

    One open issue is who pays for the clean-up. Is it better to
    have the victim “pay for being victimized” or have the local tax
    payers foot the bill? Of course, the best answer is catching
    the criminal and having them and/or their families pay the cost.

  38. Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 6:21 pm:
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    Big Dog said on 28 Jun 2009 at 4:22 pm: Flag comment

    The PWC website on graffiti states (in part):
    -Report-Record-Remove
    -The property owner is responsible for removing graffiti within
    seven days after it has been reported.
    - If the property owner does not remove the graffiti, PWC staff
    is allowed to enter private property to remove it.
    - “Government and law enforcement efforts alone will not
    solve the problem”. Citizens must be extra PD eyes and ears.
    (Manassas City has the same basic information)

    Maybe that is why the community mailboxes at each townhouse entrance in the Point of Woods area has not been cleaned up. Some of these mailboxes have 20 or so addresses, others are somewhat smaller.
    Everyone is expecting someone else to clean up the mess and therefore the graffiti remains. No one wants to take the initiative to clean it up. I suspect some of the mailboxes belong to Latinos as it is a high Latino occupancy area and maybe they think that graffiti looks good. Reminds them of the “old country.” For whatever reason, it has NOT been cleaned up.

  39. Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:03 pm:
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    Emma,

    Don’t fool yourself into “thinking” HOA’s can do a thing about flop houses. I live in Wellington and had a flop house behind me for years and still have two on my street.

  40. Emma said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:18 pm:
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    Do they “look” like flophouses from the outside, or are they well-maintained? I was always under the impression that Wellington was fairly strict.

  41. legal2 said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:28 pm:
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    Aren’t mailboxes supposed to be maintained by the owner in accordance with USPS rules?

  42. legal2 said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:31 pm:
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    BTW, Manassas Park has many screen doors propped open lately, at townhouses.

  43. Citizen12 said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:37 pm:
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    Big Dog said on 28 Jun 2009 at 4:22 pm

    -The property owner is responsible for removing graffiti within
    seven days after it has been reported.

    And the property owner can see the legal system at work, up close and personal, when they attempt to recover the cost of the clean up from the hide of the criminal.

    -If the property owner does not remove the graffiti, PWC staff
    is allowed to enter private property to remove it.

    Feel free to do so. The lack of consistent and sufficient arrest, conviction and punishment of any property crime seems to be fueling the ever increasing incident of it.

    -“Government and law enforcement efforts alone will not
    Solve the problem”. Citizens must be extra PD eyes and ears.

    See it and report it. Take off time form work to go fill out the complaint. Take additional days off of work as the case continues to get rescheduled to accommodate the criminal. Then get that all over fuzzy feeling when the criminal is let off with a warning.

    It would seem that the term “criminal” has evolved from an occupation to a universally recognized “race”. In an effort to avoid being labeled a ‘racist’, our elected officials in Washington have decided to find alternative methods of dealing with this new “race”. From border jumpers to the billion dollar cheats, thieves and rapscallions, “let’s not look back and dwell on the past” is the order of the day. Amnesty and economic stimulus will heal and unite us all.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, please buckle up and hang on tight. Your ride is about to begin.

  44. Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:57 pm:
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    Emma

    Eight times out of ten you can tell from the front - from the back yard you can tell 99% of the time. Associations can’t force anyone to do anything, they can only fine for violations that are not corrected. Since many of these people plan to walk away and leave the mess for the banks to deal with fines have no effect. I admit our flop house situation isn’t as bad as it was two years ago (there is an up side to a crummy economy) but we still have plenty around to deal with.

  45. Brian Leeper said on 28 Jun 2009 at 11:20 pm:
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    “Maybe that is why the community mailboxes at each townhouse entrance in the Point of Woods area has not been cleaned up.”

    Those are owned by USPS, which, I expect, is about as fast at VDOT when it comes to removing graffiti from their property.

  46. Brian Leeper said on 28 Jun 2009 at 11:22 pm:
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    “Since many of these people plan to walk away and leave the mess for the banks to deal with fines have no effect.”

    Many of them don’t pay their HOA dues either.

  47. Concerned in Wellington said on 29 Jun 2009 at 7:51 am:
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    I live in Wellington also; the Prince William County part rather than the area that is in the City of Manassas. The homeowners’ association is worthless. They harass law-abiding citizens to no end if they have a strand of Christmas lights still out in February, or a scuff mark on the paint on a shutter. However, when you report overcrowding, noise, or any serious problem they just say to call the Prince William County Police Department.

    Prince William County is no better. The flop houses are without doubt returning. Noise has been a big problem; in particular loud car stereos at all times of the day and night. PWCPD (i.e., Chief Deane) has a policy of coming to the same location three times in the same day before they will do anything other than just speak to the offender. It’s nauseating to see the quality of life in my community deteriorate so badly as officers stop, approach these offenders, catch them in the act of violating County law, and do nothing.

    In Fairfax, if noise can be heard outside your residence you are violating the law. Moreover, the police keep records of their visits. First visit – a warning. Second visit (regardless of whether it’s the same day or later) – a citation. Third visit (again regardless of whether it’s the same day or later) – arrested!

    I posted in this thread last week asking that Wally Covington, the Supervisor who represents the PWC part of Wellington, and Chief Deane post here telling us what they plan to do. I see that Jonathan Way of the Manassas City Council has posted and Chief Skinner has spoken with Greg about this matter. Why are Wally and Charlie not to be heard from here? I guess the residents of Wellington are not big developers so Wally doesn’t care about us. How about a little concern from Charlie for the law-abiding citizens rather than worrying so much that the denizens of the flop houses might get upset if they are told they must obey the law also, or suffer real consequences if they don’t?

    Manassas tries to take care of their citizens as does Fairfax County. Prince William does nothing. As evidenced by recent news items about OIT scandals, sexual harassment scandals, the Planning Office rolling out a red carpet for big developers, and all the rest of the crap going on here, we have an incredibly corrupt County government that has no interest in the quality of life of the citizens who work hard, pay their bills, contribute to the community and obey the law.

    In its last election, Herndon threw out virtually every member of its Town Council because they were seen as unresponsive to the citizens. I hope the Prince William County Board of Supervisors sees Gerhart’s departure as an opportunity to clean house completely and implement a massive change in the way PWC does business, including cracking down on flop houses and illegal behavior. 2011 and a Prince William County Board of County Supervisors election is not that far away.

  48. InTheNavy said on 29 Jun 2009 at 9:52 am:
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    “Anonymous said on 28 Jun 2009 at 7:03 pm: Flag comment

    Emma,

    Don’t fool yourself into “thinking” HOA’s can do a thing about flop houses. I live in Wellington and had a flop house behind me for years and still have two on my street.”

    I wonder if you live on Strawflower, Anon? That’s the street I try to avoid because of the couple of homes which consistently have issues that have yet to be addressed/resolved by our apathetic HOA. Within the past week alone there were 17 people (some were kids) all clustered on the lawn. I will say, however, that it appears the broken windows have finally been replaced and there may now be actual drapes versus bed sheets hanging in the windows.

  49. Anonymous said on 29 Jun 2009 at 11:57 am:
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    As a former resident of Point of Woods, I beg to differ with Mr. Way’s assessment of things. There’s always been a ton of graffiti in Point of Woods, some on what appears to be common areas - one was a wall behind what used to be a common area playground until that got vandalized. That graffiti had been there for a very long time and was still there when I moved out. I used to contact the city but did not find them very responsive, maybe I was conacting the wrong people (I tried the non-emergency police number).

    Anyway, Mr. Way needs to take a walk through Point of Woods sometime. Then again I haven’t been there for awhile so maybe the situation has improved, but I doubt it. Also the sidewalk down to Stonewall Park used to be a disgrace - graffiti sprayed on it, garbage, broken glass, etc.

    I hope Mr. Way is right about the graffiti being removed quicker. However, I have my doubts, but can’t verify since I moved out of Point of Woods in disgust over the situation there.

  50. Muttley said on 29 Jun 2009 at 11:58 am:
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    Take a look at the side of the Golds Gym. As soon as they cover over the old tagging, then it reappears very soon after.

  51. Anonymous said on 29 Jun 2009 at 12:02 pm:
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    Point of Woods had many flophouses. The HOA did nothing to eliminate them.

  52. Anonymous said on 29 Jun 2009 at 12:09 pm:
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    In regards to taking action against flophouses, I used to partially successful with City of Manassas in getting a flophouse next to me cleared out, through NON-anonymous complaints to the city’s overcrowding hotline. However, once that lawsuit came through - all I’d get were promises to look into it and no action done. This flophouse would (when the city did clean it out) be OK for 3 months and then go right back to being a flophouse. When I moved out of Point of Woods there were 10+ people living in this 3 bedroom house. The times I was told by the city how many people living there, it was consistently 10 or more.

    Complaints to Point of Woods HOA were useless. Like someone in Wellington mentioned, they are more apt to go after someone for a minor defect on their house, but have no interest in flophouses. They rant about garbage being put out on non-garbage days, but my flophouse neighbors always had garbage out every day of the week. When you have 10+ people in a townhouse, I suppose there isn’t much room to store trash. Their garbage usually overflowed onto my property too by the time trash collection day came around.

    Used to call city police to complain about the 24×7 noise from it, but after a few times I decided it wasn’t worth wasting the police time - as within hours of them leaving the noise (loud stereos at all hours of the day and night, people coming and going and arguing in the middle of the night, etc.) would just pick right back up again.

    In any event, I hope the city is doing a better job at clearing up the flophouse problem, but I doubt it, based on my own experience of living next to one that was on and off occupied as one for more than 3 years.

  53. Anonymous said on 30 Jun 2009 at 2:50 pm:
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    I doubt that the City is doing a better job of clearing out the flop houses. The only reason they are leaving in my neighborhood in the city is due to foreclosures.

    As for comments made about Point Of Woods HOA. I am sure the board cares about the flop houses, they live in the community just as you did. I bet that the flop houses received violation letters - they just don’t comply because they are not vested in the community and don’t care. You can’t force a “resident” to fix their property HOA’s can only fine them if they don’t.

  54. FomerPOWResident said on 30 Jun 2009 at 4:03 pm:
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    When I talked to the POW HOA about the flophouses - their constant garbage out on non-garbage days, parking more than 2 vehicles in the parking lot - the HOA basically acted like they could care less about it. They’d put stuff in the newsletters about heavy fines for those who left garbage out on non-garbage days, and cars towed from the lot if more than 2 were parked in there, but my neighbors got away with it off and on for 3 years - the only times it wasn’t a problem was when the house was vacant, which happened every now and then.

    The only two flophouses completely cleaned up were the two across the street from me that went into foreclosure. The reason they went into foreclosure - their owners paid $350K for one and $365K for the other, and I doubt they could afford that. Unfortunately the one next to me was bought for much less than that, so it isn’t in as much danger of going into foreclosure.

    I still say, Point of Woods as well as the city property along Stonewall Road down to Stonewall Park is a disgrace. You can find broken beer bottles, other trash, graffiti on the sidewalk, and so on if you walk down to the park from Point of Woods. There was plenty of graffiti around that stayed around for long periods of time. It’s nice to see Wellington gets cleaned up very fast though. My take on Point of Woods, it is going the way of Georgetown South unfortunately. Too bad, it used to be a nice neighborhood before it got trashed by boarding houses and people who just don’t seem to care about anyone else than themselves.

  55. Anonymous said on 1 Jul 2009 at 3:10 pm:
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    Pardon my ignorance, but what does having a “Screen Door Open” signify? Safe haven for illegals? Extra space for someone to stay? Drug dealing?

    I know this thread is a bit old, so I’m not expecting a response.

  56. Greg L said on 1 Jul 2009 at 3:45 pm:
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    The Washington Post reported in 2006 that an open screen door was a way of advertising to those “in the know” that they had space for rent and were taking on boarders. Our experience was that virtually every house that perpetually propped open their screen doors were overcrowded with persons reasonably suspected to be illegal aliens.

    If you see one of these, keep a close eye on the residence for evidence of overcrowding and notify your local zoning enforcement officials. Soon there will be additional tools available to them that will make it easier for them to investigate and resolve residential overcrowding problems, and building up cases now will assist them once those tools become available.

  57. Anonymous said on 1 Jul 2009 at 4:24 pm:
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    Thanks a lot Greg, I think I recall that article believe it or not, and it obviously makes sense. Definitely plan on keeping an eye peeled.

  58. Dave in PWC said on 1 Jul 2009 at 5:29 pm:
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    Greg,

    What tools are you speaking of to assist zoning? Only tool I know is Chavez.

  59. DeMann said on 2 Jul 2009 at 7:21 am:
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    legal2 said on 26 Jun 2009 at 4:00 pm:
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    I have noticed the latino “good humor” carts are coming out - though driving by, I did not see any sort of license on the peddlers or the carts. Mostly Georgetown South.

    I think that those carts are traveling the roads selling weapons, drugs, cans of spray paint and of course “meester you wanna meet my seester”.

  60. Wolverine said on 5 Jul 2009 at 11:10 pm:
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    A little help here, fellas. At a community meeting this past week in Sterling Park, one speaker upbraided our BOS Chairman Scott York for not having fulfilled a promise to consult with your Stewart guy about the PWC handling of illegal alien problems. York countered that things didn’t seem to be going as well in PWC as some were inclined to believe. Many attendees scoffed at his claim, recalling, perhaps, recent positive PWC stats on crime and school crowding. Now I am reading this thread and wondering if you guys in PWC are losing ground somehow. What’s the real score out there and why?

  61. Greg L said on 5 Jul 2009 at 11:39 pm:
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    Compared with where we used to be, things are hugely better. Residential overcrowding and crime are way down, although there’s still crime, and there’s still relatively isolated instances of overcrowding.

    The only way this entirely gets fixed is when the Federal Government starts getting serious about enforcing their laws. In the meantime, we applied a pretty effective band-aid. Not one that solved everything, but it really helped a lot.

    Just two years ago, five of the nine murders in the county were at the hands of an illegal alien. So far in 2009, zero. For more, see http://vimeo.com/4499217

  62. Wolverine said on 6 Jul 2009 at 8:27 pm:
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    Thanks for the response, Greg. Good video. One of the items that has been flying around here is that the original PWC resolution has since been watered down and that this action has hurt your continuing efforts. Is this true; and, if so, what has been watered down and how has it hurt the cause?

  63. Greg L said on 6 Jul 2009 at 11:06 pm:
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    The changes in the Rule of Law Resolution actually eliminated a loophole where potential illegal aliens could evade screening. If the letter of the law was followed here, the changes would have strengthened the enforcement of our laws and increased the number of illegal aliens who were caught.

    To some extent, and the degree to which this has happened isn’t entirely clear at this point, the changes also made it possible for the Chief of Police to discourage officers from using their discretion under 8 USC 1373 and questioning suspected illegal aliens about their legal status. While officers have the authority to question anyone about this whenever they feel it is warranted, the changes eliminated the mandatory provision that officers do so when probable cause exists. The statistics seem to indicate a reduction in the number of officers who did so, which suggests that departmental guidance was given to discourage officers from exercising their legal authority.

    At the same time, a number of other factors came into play. It finally became clear that the hysterical rantings by Mexicans Without Borders about the county turning to race-based policing were entirely false, the economy tanked, and a significant number of illegal aliens self-deported. Those factors helped to decrease the number of illegal aliens who could have been caught, and made those who were here more accurately understand that this was a modest first step and not the insane unlawful enforcement measure that it was made out to be in the beginning by our opponents.

    All of that resulted in a significant ratcheting-down of the excessive rhetoric, a leveling off of the number of illegal aliens caught, and to some extent a lessening of the impression that Prince William County was going to round up every illegal alien by any means possible in short order.

    My belief is that most of all, once the overly emotional reaction the illegal alien lobby promoted was shown to be inaccurate, some illegals felt this wasn’t quite as dangerous a place as they had been lead to believe, and we’re getting more of them now than we did a year ago. We still have better enforcement than many neighboring jurisdictions, but any opportunity for illegal aliens to unlawfully reside here is going to be taken advantage of.

    Also, with a better Chief of Police who would be interested in keeping the pressure up using their currently existing legal authority, this “it’s not as bad as we thought” garbage would disappear. Sheriff Joe doesn’t need legislation to do the right thing, and Chief Charlie Deane shouldn’t require this cattle-prodding to get his job done either. If he just used his existing authority as a law enforcement officer rather than play amateur diplomat, he could do more to discourage illegal immigration in the county than anyone else.

    When you have a chief law enforcement officer trying to undermine the elected officials he answers to, no matter how hard you work it’s going to be tough.

  64. Jonathan Way said on 7 Jul 2009 at 3:04 pm:
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    On June 29 Mr./Ms. Anonymous, under the subject theme “Wellington Targeted by 18th St Gang,” questioned the condition of Point of Woods, stating that there has always been a ton of graffiti, some in common areas, and vandalized common property. He/She moved out because of this deteriorated condition. He/She also suggested that I should take a tour through Point of Woods and see.

    I admit it has been a few months since I have been there, but I did take a tour this afternoon (July 7).
    What I found was that the city’s aggressive pro-active enforcement of zoning laws and its pro-active encouragement of residents has been remarkably successful in eliminating to what Mr./Ms. Anonymous described.

    I did find one significant instance of gang graffiti on Kirby Drive. Other than that one regrettable exception, the townhouse areas north of Liberia all the way from Portner to Sumner Lakes were free of graffiti, free of destroyed fences, free of trash in front yards, free of unkempt lawns. Many thanks to Kisha Sugonro (Neighborhood Services Coordinator) , the homeowners associations and the neighborhood watch groups and the individual citizens for taking pride in their neighborhood..

    I don’t know what the future will bring, but at least things are a lot better now than they were in the past.

  65. Greg L said on 9 Jul 2009 at 11:40 am:
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    Of note, I got this from Frank Wolf’s office:

    HOUSE APPROVES CONTINUED FUNDING
    FOR ANTI-GANG TASK FORCES OPERATING IN REGION

    Washington, D.C. – Rep. Frank Wolf (R-10th) today announced that the annual appropriations bill that funds the Justice Department will continue to pay for the two anti-gang task forces operating across the northern part of the state.

    Wolf said that the FY 2010 Commerce-Justice-Science Appropriations bill approved by the House on June 18 sets aside $3 million for the Northern Virginia Regional Gang Task Force and $1 million for the Northwest Regional Drug Task Force. Wolf, the top Republican on the committee, was instrumental in the creation the task forces and specifically requested the continued funding. The Senate has yet to take up its version of the annual spending bill.

    “The task forces operating in our region have become a model for others around the country,” Wolf said. “The three-pronged strategy of suppression, education and prevention is proving to be successful, but now is not the time to let up on the gas.

    “The coordination between local, state and federal law enforcement officials has been unprecedented as has the coordination between localities,” Wolf continued. “We must continue to press the issue. No one should live in fear of gangs.”

    The Northern Virginia Regional Gang Task Force is made up of law enforcement officials from Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William and Arlington counties, the cities of Alexandria, Manassas and Manassas Park and the towns of Leesburg and Herndon. The task force operating in the Valley is made up of law enforcement officials from Clarke, Frederick, Page, Shenandaoh and Warren counties and the city of Winchester. The State Police, FBI, ATF, DEA and U.S. Marshals Service are involved in both task forces.

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