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	<title>Comments on: Peter Farrell Update</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/</link>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-90159</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-90159</guid>
		<description>I just saw on the paper that he resigned on Friday and charges were dropped on Monday.  Sounds like someone made a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw on the paper that he resigned on Friday and charges were dropped on Monday.  Sounds like someone made a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Monsen</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-88573</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Monsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-88573</guid>
		<description>I posted today somewhere on this thread and just want comment again that, while there is some chance that Peter is blameless THIS time, he has been found guilty in federal court of business fraud in 2001.  Also, I doubt sincerely that he had the funds to buy two or three houses in the past 5 years.  He was essentially broke when my attorneys sought a lien on his business to ensure he would pay the court fees.  This is not some well-off fellow doing the government a favor in the Kennedy noblesse oblige tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted today somewhere on this thread and just want comment again that, while there is some chance that Peter is blameless THIS time, he has been found guilty in federal court of business fraud in 2001.  Also, I doubt sincerely that he had the funds to buy two or three houses in the past 5 years.  He was essentially broke when my attorneys sought a lien on his business to ensure he would pay the court fees.  This is not some well-off fellow doing the government a favor in the Kennedy noblesse oblige tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86894</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86894</guid>
		<description>"The Commonwealth’s Attorney office is actually refusing discovery, and haven’t even provided Farrell with a copy of the indictment against him."

This is precisely the way that David Ruttenberg was treated during the entire Rack N' Roll fiasco...and the only way that such tactics can be successful is with the complicity of the entire Prince William County legal system (Courthouse Gang: judges, prosecutors, etc.).  We've long said that this went well beyond the Park.  Perhaps now people will begin to realize that David sacrificed his wealth, health, and future at the alter of truth not merely to salvage his own reputation (he would have been FAR better off just walking away), but to bring an evil to light that was a danger to all citizens of the community.  You reap what you sow...and you continually re-elect them.  It's not that they THINK that they can do whatever they want to anybody without consequence...it's that they CAN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Commonwealth’s Attorney office is actually refusing discovery, and haven’t even provided Farrell with a copy of the indictment against him.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is precisely the way that David Ruttenberg was treated during the entire Rack N&#8217; Roll fiasco&#8230;and the only way that such tactics can be successful is with the complicity of the entire Prince William County legal system (Courthouse Gang: judges, prosecutors, etc.).  We&#8217;ve long said that this went well beyond the Park.  Perhaps now people will begin to realize that David sacrificed his wealth, health, and future at the alter of truth not merely to salvage his own reputation (he would have been FAR better off just walking away), but to bring an evil to light that was a danger to all citizens of the community.  You reap what you sow&#8230;and you continually re-elect them.  It&#8217;s not that they THINK that they can do whatever they want to anybody without consequence&#8230;it&#8217;s that they CAN!</p>
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		<title>By: Gnarly</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86835</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnarly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86835</guid>
		<description>....And the Manassas Park/Ebert thugocracy have already seen that the only thing you can do about it is to start filing massively expensive lawsuits in Federal Court to protect your Constitutional rights.....and they know that a small businessman will go belly-up in legal fees before justice is served.  Then the thugocracy will stop at nothing in spending taxpayer dollars to defend their position in any court of the land so they can continue to hide their dirty little secrets, while violating the rights of their own citizens.

This is VERY scary....we are seeing history repeat itself here....and the outrage is essentially nonexistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.And the Manassas Park/Ebert thugocracy have already seen that the only thing you can do about it is to start filing massively expensive lawsuits in Federal Court to protect your Constitutional rights&#8230;..and they know that a small businessman will go belly-up in legal fees before justice is served.  Then the thugocracy will stop at nothing in spending taxpayer dollars to defend their position in any court of the land so they can continue to hide their dirty little secrets, while violating the rights of their own citizens.</p>
<p>This is VERY scary&#8230;.we are seeing history repeat itself here&#8230;.and the outrage is essentially nonexistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86819</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86819</guid>
		<description>Here's another update:

The Commonwealth's Attorney office is actually refusing discovery, and haven't even provided Farrell with a copy of the indictment against him.  Anyone who thinks this is a straight-up case of someone not residing in the right place might want to ponder why the Commonwealth's Attorney office is failing to follow the law and will not provide Farrell with even the most basic information about the charges against him.

This absolutely stinks to high heavens.  It is a huge violation of due process rights to withhold discovery and even a copy of the indictment when a defendant is supposed to be preparing to defend himself.  How in the heck is Farrell supposed to conduct a defense when the prosecutors won't even tell him in any detail what the charges against him happen to be?

This is outrageous.  Not even Democrats should ever be treated in such fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another update:</p>
<p>The Commonwealth&#8217;s Attorney office is actually refusing discovery, and haven&#8217;t even provided Farrell with a copy of the indictment against him.  Anyone who thinks this is a straight-up case of someone not residing in the right place might want to ponder why the Commonwealth&#8217;s Attorney office is failing to follow the law and will not provide Farrell with even the most basic information about the charges against him.</p>
<p>This absolutely stinks to high heavens.  It is a huge violation of due process rights to withhold discovery and even a copy of the indictment when a defendant is supposed to be preparing to defend himself.  How in the heck is Farrell supposed to conduct a defense when the prosecutors won&#8217;t even tell him in any detail what the charges against him happen to be?</p>
<p>This is outrageous.  Not even Democrats should ever be treated in such fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86817</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86817</guid>
		<description>So, the nominations committee follows people home at the end of the day to see where they go?  Very intensive.

However, if it's really a matter of me filling out a form and telling you where I live, then THAT is not "vetting".

In my experience, local committees do not vet candidates in such a way as to have determined factually whether or not this person lived in MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the nominations committee follows people home at the end of the day to see where they go?  Very intensive.</p>
<p>However, if it&#8217;s really a matter of me filling out a form and telling you where I live, then THAT is not &#8220;vetting&#8221;.</p>
<p>In my experience, local committees do not vet candidates in such a way as to have determined factually whether or not this person lived in MP.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86814</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86814</guid>
		<description>Well, that's the way it's supposed to work.

It has, however, been my experience that the way things are SUPPOSED to work and the way they ACTUALLY work are not always the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s supposed to work.</p>
<p>It has, however, been my experience that the way things are SUPPOSED to work and the way they ACTUALLY work are not always the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Ilana Kaplan-Shain</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86813</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Ilana Kaplan-Shain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86813</guid>
		<description>The local GOP committees do vet their candidates, even if only one candidate files for the nomination. If the nomination occurs in a convention or mass meeting, the nominations committee examins the qualifications of the candidate, to include age, residency, etc. and then fowards a report of their findings to the entire assembled meeting, who then vote between qualified candidates competing for the nomination. If there is only a single candidate, the chairman does the vetting, prior to announcing the nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The local GOP committees do vet their candidates, even if only one candidate files for the nomination. If the nomination occurs in a convention or mass meeting, the nominations committee examins the qualifications of the candidate, to include age, residency, etc. and then fowards a report of their findings to the entire assembled meeting, who then vote between qualified candidates competing for the nomination. If there is only a single candidate, the chairman does the vetting, prior to announcing the nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86811</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86811</guid>
		<description>By: 
"Anonymous said on 4 Aug 2009 at 9:06 am:
Flag comment

There was a vetting…"


Well, if ever there was definitive answer to whether local committees "vet" nominees, this is it.  You have persuaded me to your point of view with your insightful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By:<br />
&#8220;Anonymous said on 4 Aug 2009 at 9:06 am:<br />
Flag comment</p>
<p>There was a vetting…&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if ever there was definitive answer to whether local committees &#8220;vet&#8221; nominees, this is it.  You have persuaded me to your point of view with your insightful post.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86809</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86809</guid>
		<description>He's renting a house in Bloom's Crossing, is my understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s renting a house in Bloom&#8217;s Crossing, is my understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86808</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86808</guid>
		<description>If he does live in Bloom's Crossing since 2005, shouldn't there be a record of it in the tax assesment database?  The only properties are the cape cods in the old part of MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he does live in Bloom&#8217;s Crossing since 2005, shouldn&#8217;t there be a record of it in the tax assesment database?  The only properties are the cape cods in the old part of MP.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86807</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86807</guid>
		<description>What I find interesting, by the way, is that Peter is more of a fiscal conservative than many of the ex-Republican-independents on city council.

Of course he has a business so he knows well what the impact of out-of-control spending is. 

When you work for the government, it's a little hard to get that perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting, by the way, is that Peter is more of a fiscal conservative than many of the ex-Republican-independents on city council.</p>
<p>Of course he has a business so he knows well what the impact of out-of-control spending is. </p>
<p>When you work for the government, it&#8217;s a little hard to get that perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86806</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86806</guid>
		<description>"And I believe he got the most votes in the election Brian. In fact more than twice as many as you did."

Yes, he did. I imagine that having that (D) on the ballot was a big help there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I believe he got the most votes in the election Brian. In fact more than twice as many as you did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, he did. I imagine that having that (D) on the ballot was a big help there.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86804</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86804</guid>
		<description>Brian Leeper said on 4 Aug 2009 at 8:11 am: Flag comment 

Peter Farrell was their only candidate besides Suhas Naddoni. They could have run 3 other people (two more city council candidates and one for Mayor). 

Peter got the nomination by default. There wasn’t another choice, other than not running anyone at all.



And I believe he got the most votes in the election Brian. In fact more than twice as many as you did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Leeper said on 4 Aug 2009 at 8:11 am: Flag comment </p>
<p>Peter Farrell was their only candidate besides Suhas Naddoni. They could have run 3 other people (two more city council candidates and one for Mayor). </p>
<p>Peter got the nomination by default. There wasn’t another choice, other than not running anyone at all.</p>
<p>And I believe he got the most votes in the election Brian. In fact more than twice as many as you did.</p>
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		<title>By: Bassboy</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86802</link>
		<dc:creator>Bassboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86802</guid>
		<description>I know a guy that used to work at Farrell’s dealership. He told me this whole thing is a big setup by City Attorney Dean Crowhurst because Farrell was questioning the 3 or 4 hundred thousand dollars the city has been paying him for legal services for years.

He said Peter Farrell has been living in Manassas Park since around 2005 in Blooms Crossing and recently bought a couple or three houses in the park.

As GL says “ I wonder who filed this complaint and what is their true motive?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a guy that used to work at Farrell’s dealership. He told me this whole thing is a big setup by City Attorney Dean Crowhurst because Farrell was questioning the 3 or 4 hundred thousand dollars the city has been paying him for legal services for years.</p>
<p>He said Peter Farrell has been living in Manassas Park since around 2005 in Blooms Crossing and recently bought a couple or three houses in the park.</p>
<p>As GL says “ I wonder who filed this complaint and what is their true motive?”</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86801</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86801</guid>
		<description>There was a vetting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a vetting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86800</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86800</guid>
		<description>Not that I've ever heard about. Any "vetting" that happens is the result of competition and there was none in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I&#8217;ve ever heard about. Any &#8220;vetting&#8221; that happens is the result of competition and there was none in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86799</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86799</guid>
		<description>Do local committees "vet" candidates?  I've never noticed a committee member following around potential candidates to see where they go at the end of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do local committees &#8220;vet&#8221; candidates?  I&#8217;ve never noticed a committee member following around potential candidates to see where they go at the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leeper</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86798</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86798</guid>
		<description>Peter Farrell was their only candidate besides Suhas Naddoni. They could have run 3 other people (two more city council candidates and one for Mayor). 

Peter got the nomination by default. There wasn't another choice, other than not running anyone at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Farrell was their only candidate besides Suhas Naddoni. They could have run 3 other people (two more city council candidates and one for Mayor). </p>
<p>Peter got the nomination by default. There wasn&#8217;t another choice, other than not running anyone at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Ilana Kaplan-Shain</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86797</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Ilana Kaplan-Shain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/03/peter-farrell-update/#comment-86797</guid>
		<description>A tangental point that has been missed thus far in this case is, if indeed Peter Farrell is found to have violated the law, the possible collusion of E.J. Scott, Chairman of the Manassas/Manassas Park Democrat Committee. If found guilty, it would indicate that Ms. Scott either did a very poor job of vetting a candidate, or, supported Mr. Farrell's candidacy with a "wink and a nod". I think this question has been overlooked, since Manassas Park historically has been without an active Democrat committee. This changed during the 2008 election cycle. The Democat committee actively worked in Manassas Park. So, one needs to ask the question; did Ms. Scott know exactly where Mr. Farrell is/was living during the time he secured his party's nomination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tangental point that has been missed thus far in this case is, if indeed Peter Farrell is found to have violated the law, the possible collusion of E.J. Scott, Chairman of the Manassas/Manassas Park Democrat Committee. If found guilty, it would indicate that Ms. Scott either did a very poor job of vetting a candidate, or, supported Mr. Farrell&#8217;s candidacy with a &#8220;wink and a nod&#8221;. I think this question has been overlooked, since Manassas Park historically has been without an active Democrat committee. This changed during the 2008 election cycle. The Democat committee actively worked in Manassas Park. So, one needs to ask the question; did Ms. Scott know exactly where Mr. Farrell is/was living during the time he secured his party&#8217;s nomination?</p>
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