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	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87467</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeanette Rishell and the Bull Run Unitarian Universalists

UUs fully support abortion on demand throughout all terms of pregnancy.

Here is what UUs say about abortion in their own words:


“What is the church's view on abortion?

As an institution, we are strongly pro-choice, as are most individual UUs.”
http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml

Do you remember the Partial Birth Abortion Ban?  Do you remember when the Supreme Court upheld the ban?  For those of you who don’t remember go to this Fox News link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266724,00.html

Partial birth abortion is a procedure where the baby is partially delivered feet first (breech).  Then an instrument is used to puncture the infant’s head while the head is still in utero or in the birth canal.  The brain of the baby is then sucked out and the skull crushed.  Then the baby is delivered dead.  See these links for better explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=s_W75zh1j2I

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.Html


UU’s were in a rage when the Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion.  See their response in their own words by going to this link:

http://www.uua.org/pressroom/pressreleases/22718.shtml

About two years ago I attended the Miller Rishell debate sponsored by the Committee of 100.  Ms. Rishell described herself as a Reproductive Rights Activist.  She likened her fight for abortion rights as a war.  Yes, it is a war.  The casualties are unborn babies.  

So when Ms. Rishell knocks on your door and says she believes in “family values” try to remember she is an enemy combatant towards unborn children.</description>
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<p>UUs fully support abortion on demand throughout all terms of pregnancy.</p>
<p>Here is what UUs say about abortion in their own words:</p>
<p>“What is the church&#8217;s view on abortion?</p>
<p>As an institution, we are strongly pro-choice, as are most individual UUs.”<br />
<a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml</a></p>
<p>Do you remember the Partial Birth Abortion Ban?  Do you remember when the Supreme Court upheld the ban?  For those of you who don’t remember go to this Fox News link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266724,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266724,00.html</a></p>
<p>Partial birth abortion is a procedure where the baby is partially delivered feet first (breech).  Then an instrument is used to puncture the infant’s head while the head is still in utero or in the birth canal.  The brain of the baby is then sucked out and the skull crushed.  Then the baby is delivered dead.  See these links for better explanation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=s_W75zh1j2I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=s_W75zh1j2I</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.Html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.Html</a></p>
<p>UU’s were in a rage when the Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion.  See their response in their own words by going to this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uua.org/pressroom/pressreleases/22718.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.uua.org/pressroom/pressreleases/22718.shtml</a></p>
<p>About two years ago I attended the Miller Rishell debate sponsored by the Committee of 100.  Ms. Rishell described herself as a Reproductive Rights Activist.  She likened her fight for abortion rights as a war.  Yes, it is a war.  The casualties are unborn babies.  </p>
<p>So when Ms. Rishell knocks on your door and says she believes in “family values” try to remember she is an enemy combatant towards unborn children.</p>
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		<title>By: Disgusted</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87427</link>
		<dc:creator>Disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87427</guid>
		<description>COM,

Yup! Obama stepped on it.  He had no business making that bone-headed statement and he came across as an (GASP!!) poltician trying to take advantage of a situation.   What did you expect?!?  The cop had no idea who the professor was, handled the situation by the book and in accordance with his training.  The professor played the race card and it backfired on him.  Obama saw it as an opportunity to be the great reconciler and it backfired on him.  The whole thing bored me.


Your multilined response trying to show you're not sensitive only goes to prove my point!  You assume when someone criticizes, they have to be from the other side.  I'm not.  I am a card carrying Republican.  I'm just tired of reactionary hand wringers from the right boo-hooing about how unfair the media treats them and how liberal it is everytime the left jabs.  It makes us all look like snivvling little goody-goodys.  Grow a set!  I know when I turn on MSNBC I'm going to get the liberal slant.  I know when I get FOX, I'm going to get the Republican talking points.  There isn't any unbiased media anymore.  I simply don't like FOX because of morons like Rush and Glen Beck.  And Doocey is just a doofus.  Its embarrassing.</description>
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<p>Yup! Obama stepped on it.  He had no business making that bone-headed statement and he came across as an (GASP!!) poltician trying to take advantage of a situation.   What did you expect?!?  The cop had no idea who the professor was, handled the situation by the book and in accordance with his training.  The professor played the race card and it backfired on him.  Obama saw it as an opportunity to be the great reconciler and it backfired on him.  The whole thing bored me.</p>
<p>Your multilined response trying to show you&#8217;re not sensitive only goes to prove my point!  You assume when someone criticizes, they have to be from the other side.  I&#8217;m not.  I am a card carrying Republican.  I&#8217;m just tired of reactionary hand wringers from the right boo-hooing about how unfair the media treats them and how liberal it is everytime the left jabs.  It makes us all look like snivvling little goody-goodys.  Grow a set!  I know when I turn on MSNBC I&#8217;m going to get the liberal slant.  I know when I get FOX, I&#8217;m going to get the Republican talking points.  There isn&#8217;t any unbiased media anymore.  I simply don&#8217;t like FOX because of morons like Rush and Glen Beck.  And Doocey is just a doofus.  Its embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87404</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87404</guid>
		<description>Jeanette Rishell and Bull Run Unitarian Universalists

Are the UU’s politically and socially active?  Yes they are.  Especially the local Bull Run Unitarian Universalists.

Political and social activism in their words:

“Mission

BRUU has a mission to ourselves, our community, and our natural world.

BRUU Mission Statement
 
Bull Run Unitarian Universalists (BRUU) exists to nurture ourselves, our community, and our natural world in the pursuit of spiritual and intellectual growth. We give expression to our mission through celebrating our diversity and giving of our talents and resources with justice, equity and compassion. We work toward our goals through an open democratic process, respecting the views of each individual and seeking to protect the interdependent web of life.

Welcoming Congregation
 
Bull Run Unitarian Universalists (BRUU) is a Welcoming Congregation which celebrates and supports the lives, the relationships, and the individual and group contributions of its lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender members and friends. We affirm and promote their full participation in the life of the congregation and community. We pledge our congregation's commitment to continue dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.

Green Sanctuary
 
Green Sanctuary is a Unitarian Universalist program to build awareness of environmental issues in order to promote personal lifestyle changes and community action, particularly toward rectifying environmental injustice. Green Sanctuary also strives to connect spiritual practice and environmental consciousness. We are the 20th certified Green Sanctuary in the nation.”
http://www.bruu.org/index.php?page=belief


“How active are UUs on social issues?

While it's true that those most vulnerable to injustice in our society -- the poor and the minorities -- are not found in great numbers in the our ranks, many individual UUs are at the forefront of social justice issues. In addition, most churches regularly give their institutional support to many social justice causes.

Although we could hardly be considered a religion of the oppressed, we cannot be fairly criticized as George Templeton Strong said of many 19th century Unitarians, most of them members of New England's privileged class: "They are sensible, plausible, candid, subtle and original in discussing any social evil or abuse. But somehow they don't get at it!"

Today, we do get at it.”
http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml


Pay attention to these comments:

“We pledge our congregation's commitment to continue dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.”

“Green Sanctuary is a Unitarian Universalist program to build awareness of environmental issues in order to promote personal lifestyle changes and community action, particularly toward rectifying environmental injustice.”

BRUUs are active in “dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.  Rishell and UUs support same sex marriage.  She champions “Gay” rights causes.  See http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/07/25/gay-marriage-rally-planned-in-manassas/
and http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/10/02/jeanette-rishell-downplays-gay-activist-connection/
More on this later.

BRUUs are active in “rectifying environmental injustice.”  Rishell and UUs support Cap and Trade.  More on this later.</description>
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<p>Are the UU’s politically and socially active?  Yes they are.  Especially the local Bull Run Unitarian Universalists.</p>
<p>Political and social activism in their words:</p>
<p>“Mission</p>
<p>BRUU has a mission to ourselves, our community, and our natural world.</p>
<p>BRUU Mission Statement</p>
<p>Bull Run Unitarian Universalists (BRUU) exists to nurture ourselves, our community, and our natural world in the pursuit of spiritual and intellectual growth. We give expression to our mission through celebrating our diversity and giving of our talents and resources with justice, equity and compassion. We work toward our goals through an open democratic process, respecting the views of each individual and seeking to protect the interdependent web of life.</p>
<p>Welcoming Congregation</p>
<p>Bull Run Unitarian Universalists (BRUU) is a Welcoming Congregation which celebrates and supports the lives, the relationships, and the individual and group contributions of its lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender members and friends. We affirm and promote their full participation in the life of the congregation and community. We pledge our congregation&#8217;s commitment to continue dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.</p>
<p>Green Sanctuary</p>
<p>Green Sanctuary is a Unitarian Universalist program to build awareness of environmental issues in order to promote personal lifestyle changes and community action, particularly toward rectifying environmental injustice. Green Sanctuary also strives to connect spiritual practice and environmental consciousness. We are the 20th certified Green Sanctuary in the nation.”<br />
<a href="http://www.bruu.org/index.php?page=belief" rel="nofollow">http://www.bruu.org/index.php?page=belief</a></p>
<p>“How active are UUs on social issues?</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that those most vulnerable to injustice in our society &#8212; the poor and the minorities &#8212; are not found in great numbers in the our ranks, many individual UUs are at the forefront of social justice issues. In addition, most churches regularly give their institutional support to many social justice causes.</p>
<p>Although we could hardly be considered a religion of the oppressed, we cannot be fairly criticized as George Templeton Strong said of many 19th century Unitarians, most of them members of New England&#8217;s privileged class: &#8220;They are sensible, plausible, candid, subtle and original in discussing any social evil or abuse. But somehow they don&#8217;t get at it!&#8221;</p>
<p>Today, we do get at it.”<br />
<a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml</a></p>
<p>Pay attention to these comments:</p>
<p>“We pledge our congregation&#8217;s commitment to continue dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.”</p>
<p>“Green Sanctuary is a Unitarian Universalist program to build awareness of environmental issues in order to promote personal lifestyle changes and community action, particularly toward rectifying environmental injustice.”</p>
<p>BRUUs are active in “dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.  Rishell and UUs support same sex marriage.  She champions “Gay” rights causes.  See <a href="http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/07/25/gay-marriage-rally-planned-in-manassas/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/07/25/gay-marriage-rally-planned-in-manassas/</a><br />
and <a href="http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/10/02/jeanette-rishell-downplays-gay-activist-connection/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/10/02/jeanette-rishell-downplays-gay-activist-connection/</a><br />
More on this later.</p>
<p>BRUUs are active in “rectifying environmental injustice.”  Rishell and UUs support Cap and Trade.  More on this later.</p>
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		<title>By: howmanydaystill elections</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87395</link>
		<dc:creator>howmanydaystill elections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87395</guid>
		<description>I am sickened that the liberal fools are trying to bring up the CIA interrogation of terror suspects.  This is a desparate smoke screen to get everyone talking about it instead of Obamacare and Cap and Tax.  
Is 9-11 completely forgotten?   Do we have to learn the lesson  of self preversation all over again?</description>
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Is 9-11 completely forgotten?   Do we have to learn the lesson  of self preversation all over again?</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87379</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87379</guid>
		<description>Jeanette Rishell and Bull Run Unitarian Universalists

UU’s beliefs from their own web sites:  http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1

http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml 

UU’s views of Christmas and Easter in their own words:

“Do UUs celebrate Christmas and Easter?

Yes, we do. The difference may be that we tie these holidays more to the changing seasons than we do to traditional Christian themes. They are honored as celebrations of the winter solstice and the spring equinox -- the hope and promise symbolized by the lengthening of the daylight hours in December, and the renewal of life in spring after the winter season of darkness.
The traditional accounts of the birth of Jesus and of the Resurrection are sometimes included in these celebrations and cited as myths which contain a positive message about human life. The birth of a child, for example, represents the hope and promise found in each new life. The crucifixion and Resurrection are symbolic of how new life can emerge even after a time of pain and suffering. As with the Bible itself, these stories are not taken literally but for what they symbolically tell us about human life.
We celebrate Easter as the return of spring and the renewal of life; in this respect we draw more on the pagan rather than the Christian origin of this holiday. The New Testament accounts of the Resurrection may be cited as a symbol of the strength, power and renewal of life. We do not accept the idea of a physical resurrection.
Most UUs regard Jesus as one of a number of especially gifted, insightful teachers of humanity. These leaders have emerged over the course of history to teach us how we should live and be at peace with ourselves and each other. Jesus is not considered unique in this respect.
His death reflects a tragic and painful end of life. Because UUs have long rejected the idea of Original Sin, the belief that Jesus atoned for the sins of the world by his death has little relevance for us. Even when Unitarianism and Universalism were clearly Christian faiths, they still rejected this doctrine of atonement.”

There is a point to all I'm posting on UUs, BRUUs and Jeanette Rishell.  I just want to show UUs beliefs which will make sense as to why Rishell does what she does.  Knowing their beliefs about sexuality will give an understanding as to why she sees no problem hiring a campaign manager that posts pictures of condoms on their face book.  More later.</description>
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<p>UU’s beliefs from their own web sites:  <a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml</a> </p>
<p>UU’s views of Christmas and Easter in their own words:</p>
<p>“Do UUs celebrate Christmas and Easter?</p>
<p>Yes, we do. The difference may be that we tie these holidays more to the changing seasons than we do to traditional Christian themes. They are honored as celebrations of the winter solstice and the spring equinox &#8212; the hope and promise symbolized by the lengthening of the daylight hours in December, and the renewal of life in spring after the winter season of darkness.<br />
The traditional accounts of the birth of Jesus and of the Resurrection are sometimes included in these celebrations and cited as myths which contain a positive message about human life. The birth of a child, for example, represents the hope and promise found in each new life. The crucifixion and Resurrection are symbolic of how new life can emerge even after a time of pain and suffering. As with the Bible itself, these stories are not taken literally but for what they symbolically tell us about human life.<br />
We celebrate Easter as the return of spring and the renewal of life; in this respect we draw more on the pagan rather than the Christian origin of this holiday. The New Testament accounts of the Resurrection may be cited as a symbol of the strength, power and renewal of life. We do not accept the idea of a physical resurrection.<br />
Most UUs regard Jesus as one of a number of especially gifted, insightful teachers of humanity. These leaders have emerged over the course of history to teach us how we should live and be at peace with ourselves and each other. Jesus is not considered unique in this respect.<br />
His death reflects a tragic and painful end of life. Because UUs have long rejected the idea of Original Sin, the belief that Jesus atoned for the sins of the world by his death has little relevance for us. Even when Unitarianism and Universalism were clearly Christian faiths, they still rejected this doctrine of atonement.”</p>
<p>There is a point to all I&#8217;m posting on UUs, BRUUs and Jeanette Rishell.  I just want to show UUs beliefs which will make sense as to why Rishell does what she does.  Knowing their beliefs about sexuality will give an understanding as to why she sees no problem hiring a campaign manager that posts pictures of condoms on their face book.  More later.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87377</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87377</guid>
		<description>Jeanette Rishell and the Bull Run Unitarian Universalists

UU’s beliefs from their own web sites:  http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1

http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml 

In their own words:

“Do you believe in Jesus?

We do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, performed miracles and was resurrected from death. We do admire and respect the way he lived, the power of his love, the force of his example and his system of values.
Most UUs regard Jesus as one of several important moral and ethical teachers who have shown humans how to live a life of love, service and compassion. Though some of us may question whether Jesus was an actual historical figure, we believe his teachings are of significant moral value.

How do you regard the Bible?

We regard the Bible as one of many important religious texts but do not consider it unique or exclusive in any way. We do not interpret it literally. We think some parts of it offer more truth and relevance than other parts. Although UUs respect the Bible and regard some of its content as great literature, it is not a central document in our religion.

Can UUs go to heaven or hell?

Since there is no way to know for sure if we go any place when we die, very few, if any of us believe in the physical existence of a place called heaven or hell.

What about salvation? Can a UU be saved?

Salvation is not a word we use frequently.
We do not believe people are born into a state of sin from which they must be saved in order to avoid spending an eternity suffering in hell.
Since we believe in neither original sin nor hell, we do not feel a need to be saved from either.

Do you believe in a Redeemer?

No. We believe we should be judged by how well we live our lives and serve others, not in what a redeemer will do for us. We respect religious and spiritual leaders such as Jesus, Moses and Buddha for what they can teach us about living, not as redeemers in the traditional sense.”</description>
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<p>UU’s beliefs from their own web sites:  <a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml</a> </p>
<p>In their own words:</p>
<p>“Do you believe in Jesus?</p>
<p>We do not believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, performed miracles and was resurrected from death. We do admire and respect the way he lived, the power of his love, the force of his example and his system of values.<br />
Most UUs regard Jesus as one of several important moral and ethical teachers who have shown humans how to live a life of love, service and compassion. Though some of us may question whether Jesus was an actual historical figure, we believe his teachings are of significant moral value.</p>
<p>How do you regard the Bible?</p>
<p>We regard the Bible as one of many important religious texts but do not consider it unique or exclusive in any way. We do not interpret it literally. We think some parts of it offer more truth and relevance than other parts. Although UUs respect the Bible and regard some of its content as great literature, it is not a central document in our religion.</p>
<p>Can UUs go to heaven or hell?</p>
<p>Since there is no way to know for sure if we go any place when we die, very few, if any of us believe in the physical existence of a place called heaven or hell.</p>
<p>What about salvation? Can a UU be saved?</p>
<p>Salvation is not a word we use frequently.<br />
We do not believe people are born into a state of sin from which they must be saved in order to avoid spending an eternity suffering in hell.<br />
Since we believe in neither original sin nor hell, we do not feel a need to be saved from either.</p>
<p>Do you believe in a Redeemer?</p>
<p>No. We believe we should be judged by how well we live our lives and serve others, not in what a redeemer will do for us. We respect religious and spiritual leaders such as Jesus, Moses and Buddha for what they can teach us about living, not as redeemers in the traditional sense.”</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87373</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87373</guid>
		<description>Jeanette Rishell and Bull Run Unitarian Universalists

In my previous posts I quoted material from Dr. Walter Martin’s book entitled “The Kingdom of the Cults” in which there were direct quotes from Dr. Carl M. Chorowsky.  Dr. Chorowsky was appointed by the Unitarians to answer a survey conducted by “Look” magazine in 1955.  The survey was sent to the major religions in the U.S. to ask their views of Christian doctrine.  Dr. Walter Martin references a book entitled “Religions of America” by Leo Rosten (New York City: Simon &#38; Schuster, 1975) which contains articles of the “Look” magazine’s survey.  

UU’s have also posted their beliefs about the Bible, God, and Jesus Christ on their own web sites:   http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1
and http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml

Here in UU’s own words about whether they are a Christian church:

"Liberal Christianity (from which the Unitarians and the Universalists evolved) either downplays or dismisses the idea of Original Sin, and sees Jesus as one sent from God to show us how to live better lives. Liberal Christians view God as a force for good rather than a supernatural being. They are more flexible in their interpretation of Scripture, reading it more in its historic context and giving symbolic rather than literal interpretation to many passages.

Are UUs Christian?

The answer to this question varies among UUs. Unitarians and Universalists, once liberal Protestant Christian denominations, drew away from their Christian base to embrace the principle of individual freedom of belief. Although some churches are still liberal Christian, today only about 20 percent of UUs would call themselves Christian. Thus Unitarian Universalism cannot be considered a totally Christian religion.

How do you differ from Christians?

A primary way we differ is that we do not regard Jesus as a unique revelation of God. Most UUs (even UU Christians) would reject a literal interpretation of accepted Christian beliefs such as the Virgin Birth, the miracles of Jesus and the Resurrection. While UU Christians would accept a symbolic interpretation of these events, most UUs view Jesus as a moral and ethical teacher and no more than that."

You can go to the above mentioned websites to see these quotes.</description>
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<p>In my previous posts I quoted material from Dr. Walter Martin’s book entitled “The Kingdom of the Cults” in which there were direct quotes from Dr. Carl M. Chorowsky.  Dr. Chorowsky was appointed by the Unitarians to answer a survey conducted by “Look” magazine in 1955.  The survey was sent to the major religions in the U.S. to ask their views of Christian doctrine.  Dr. Walter Martin references a book entitled “Religions of America” by Leo Rosten (New York City: Simon &amp; Schuster, 1975) which contains articles of the “Look” magazine’s survey.  </p>
<p>UU’s have also posted their beliefs about the Bible, God, and Jesus Christ on their own web sites:   <a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100q/c1.shtml#q1</a><br />
and <a href="http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml</a></p>
<p>Here in UU’s own words about whether they are a Christian church:</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberal Christianity (from which the Unitarians and the Universalists evolved) either downplays or dismisses the idea of Original Sin, and sees Jesus as one sent from God to show us how to live better lives. Liberal Christians view God as a force for good rather than a supernatural being. They are more flexible in their interpretation of Scripture, reading it more in its historic context and giving symbolic rather than literal interpretation to many passages.</p>
<p>Are UUs Christian?</p>
<p>The answer to this question varies among UUs. Unitarians and Universalists, once liberal Protestant Christian denominations, drew away from their Christian base to embrace the principle of individual freedom of belief. Although some churches are still liberal Christian, today only about 20 percent of UUs would call themselves Christian. Thus Unitarian Universalism cannot be considered a totally Christian religion.</p>
<p>How do you differ from Christians?</p>
<p>A primary way we differ is that we do not regard Jesus as a unique revelation of God. Most UUs (even UU Christians) would reject a literal interpretation of accepted Christian beliefs such as the Virgin Birth, the miracles of Jesus and the Resurrection. While UU Christians would accept a symbolic interpretation of these events, most UUs view Jesus as a moral and ethical teacher and no more than that.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can go to the above mentioned websites to see these quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87367</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Kendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COM, you are absolutely right!  I don't know about you, but I am disgusted by
"Disgusted".  That comment made by Obama regardng the cop acting stupidly is
certainly not the only stupid comment he has made.  If it ain't on the telepromptor,
he's on his own and that can often be a comedy of errors.
FOX is about the only news agency to provide a fair and balanced report and that's
exactly the reason the others are going under.  It can't happen too soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM, you are absolutely right!  I don&#8217;t know about you, but I am disgusted by<br />
&#8220;Disgusted&#8221;.  That comment made by Obama regardng the cop acting stupidly is<br />
certainly not the only stupid comment he has made.  If it ain&#8217;t on the telepromptor,<br />
he&#8217;s on his own and that can often be a comedy of errors.<br />
FOX is about the only news agency to provide a fair and balanced report and that&#8217;s<br />
exactly the reason the others are going under.  It can&#8217;t happen too soon.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87352</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87352</guid>
		<description>Disgusted,

I'm not sensitive at all.  I'm just providing you facts that the mainstream media is in the bag for obama.    How is calling someone a racist in anyway showing support for Bush?    

But, I love how the default position of libs is to point out how Fox is not fair and balanced, and how they are conservative. But, y'all never point out how CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, USA Today, Newsweek, Time, U.S. News and World Report, Us Weekly, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, etc, are.  Maybe it's because those outlets are all liberal and therefore, you don't have a problem with their coverage.  Yup, it's a shame that one station is bucking the system and has a different point of view.  How dare them.  

Do you agree obama made a stupid comment when he said he did not know the facts, yet provided the cops acted stupidly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusted,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sensitive at all.  I&#8217;m just providing you facts that the mainstream media is in the bag for obama.    How is calling someone a racist in anyway showing support for Bush?    </p>
<p>But, I love how the default position of libs is to point out how Fox is not fair and balanced, and how they are conservative. But, y&#8217;all never point out how CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, USA Today, Newsweek, Time, U.S. News and World Report, Us Weekly, Washington Post, PBS, NPR, etc, are.  Maybe it&#8217;s because those outlets are all liberal and therefore, you don&#8217;t have a problem with their coverage.  Yup, it&#8217;s a shame that one station is bucking the system and has a different point of view.  How dare them.  </p>
<p>Do you agree obama made a stupid comment when he said he did not know the facts, yet provided the cops acted stupidly?</p>
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		<title>By: Disgusted</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87351</link>
		<dc:creator>Disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87351</guid>
		<description>COM,

Why so sensitive?  Its OK for Beck to call The Big O a racist, and Rush say he "hates America," but when anyone states a preference for him, you guys go nuts.   How come you aren't jumping out of your skin over Beck's insipid comment?  How naive! You actually think Fox IS fair and balanced.  

PS.  Remember when Doocy did the goofy news on channel 4?  I do!

PSS.  I was just kidding about the loyal part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COM,</p>
<p>Why so sensitive?  Its OK for Beck to call The Big O a racist, and Rush say he &#8220;hates America,&#8221; but when anyone states a preference for him, you guys go nuts.   How come you aren&#8217;t jumping out of your skin over Beck&#8217;s insipid comment?  How naive! You actually think Fox IS fair and balanced.  </p>
<p>PS.  Remember when Doocy did the goofy news on channel 4?  I do!</p>
<p>PSS.  I was just kidding about the loyal part.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87345</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87345</guid>
		<description>Disgusted,

Or, when they called Bush a Monkey, oh, sorry one anchor really did say that about bush. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HgvQgGDJuw


More slobbering of Matthews over obama. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8hcjBFsz4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusted,</p>
<p>Or, when they called Bush a Monkey, oh, sorry one anchor really did say that about bush. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HgvQgGDJuw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HgvQgGDJuw</a></p>
<p>More slobbering of Matthews over obama. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8hcjBFsz4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8hcjBFsz4</a></p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87343</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87343</guid>
		<description>Disgusted,

Ha ha.  Please provide an example of when they did that type of story?  Exactly when did one of their anchors talk about getting a "tingle" down their leg after hearing Bush speak.  Or, how it was their duty to ensure the success of bush, like was said by Chris Matthews.   Or, when they ignored the relationships of Bush?  Or, when they ignored the lack of experence of Bush?  Or, when they bowed to Bush?  Or, when they asked if they could say President Bush again because it sounded so cool to say?   

Ya, that is what I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusted,</p>
<p>Ha ha.  Please provide an example of when they did that type of story?  Exactly when did one of their anchors talk about getting a &#8220;tingle&#8221; down their leg after hearing Bush speak.  Or, how it was their duty to ensure the success of bush, like was said by Chris Matthews.   Or, when they ignored the relationships of Bush?  Or, when they ignored the lack of experence of Bush?  Or, when they bowed to Bush?  Or, when they asked if they could say President Bush again because it sounded so cool to say?   </p>
<p>Ya, that is what I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Disgusted</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87340</link>
		<dc:creator>Disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87340</guid>
		<description>citizenofmanassas said on 23 Aug 2009 at 9:14 am: Flag comment 

The old Soviet Union run media has nothing on our State run media. I like how the lbs call fox news “faux” news. Yet, they don’t have a problem with State run MSNBC doing this type of “news” story. 

Fox News WAS the state run media until January 20th!!!  Noe its the voice of the loyal opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>citizenofmanassas said on 23 Aug 2009 at 9:14 am: Flag comment </p>
<p>The old Soviet Union run media has nothing on our State run media. I like how the lbs call fox news “faux” news. Yet, they don’t have a problem with State run MSNBC doing this type of “news” story. </p>
<p>Fox News WAS the state run media until January 20th!!!  Noe its the voice of the loyal opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenofmanassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87338</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenofmanassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87338</guid>
		<description>The old Soviet Union run media has nothing on our State run media.  I like how the lbs call fox news "faux" news.  Yet, they don't have a problem with State run MSNBC doing this type of "news" story.   

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291112.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old Soviet Union run media has nothing on our State run media.  I like how the lbs call fox news &#8220;faux&#8221; news.  Yet, they don&#8217;t have a problem with State run MSNBC doing this type of &#8220;news&#8221; story.   </p>
<p><a href="http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291112.php" rel="nofollow">http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291112.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87332</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87332</guid>
		<description>She posted it and made it sound like she agreed with it - if not she can retract the part she disagrees with. We'll see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She posted it and made it sound like she agreed with it - if not she can retract the part she disagrees with. We&#8217;ll see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87330</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87330</guid>
		<description>Well, Anonymous 3:31, I don't know what Patty does or doesn't know about reform Judaism.

But I DO know what YOU don't know - how quotation marks work and what they mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Anonymous 3:31, I don&#8217;t know what Patty does or doesn&#8217;t know about reform Judaism.</p>
<p>But I DO know what YOU don&#8217;t know - how quotation marks work and what they mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87323</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87323</guid>
		<description>BattleCat said 

"I don’t know if the whole “left invoking Nazis to bash American Citizens” thing is worth getting all wee-wee’d up about."


I don't know, but it was worth seeing this congressman get his wee wee handed to him by a marine:

http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/marine-corp-veteran-at-town-hall.html

Once a marine, always a marine. God bless and keep every last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BattleCat said </p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know if the whole “left invoking Nazis to bash American Citizens” thing is worth getting all wee-wee’d up about.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, but it was worth seeing this congressman get his wee wee handed to him by a marine:</p>
<p><a href="http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/marine-corp-veteran-at-town-hall.html" rel="nofollow">http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/marine-corp-veteran-at-town-hall.html</a></p>
<p>Once a marine, always a marine. God bless and keep every last one.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87322</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87322</guid>
		<description>Jeanette Rishell and the Bull Run Unitarian Universalists

It is interesting to note that UUs do not consider the Bible as the authoritative Word of God.  They deny that it is divinely inspired and infallible.  Yet they will quote verses out of the Bible to support their own beliefs.  They start with their own belief system then they will take Bible verses out of their own context to support their predetermined belief.  So even though they do not believe the Word of God is authoritative they will use Scripture verses out of context to support their beliefs in an authoritative way.  That is why you will often hear them quote Bible verses. 

Dr. Walter Martin in his book "The Kingdom of the Cults" indicates that in 1955 "Look" magazine conducted a survey of the major religions in the U.S. to ask what they believed about Christian doctrine.  A Dr. Carl Chorowsky was appointed by the Unitarians to answer the questions on this survey.  One of the questions dealt with whether the Bible was divinely inspired.  Here is a quote from the book (The Kingdom of the Cults by Dr. Walter Martin, forty-sixth printing April 1992, copyright 1965, 1977, 1985, Published by Bethany House Publishers) pages 503-504:

“’Do Unitarians believe the Bible is divinely inspired and infallible?’ This was one of the key questions addressed to the Unitarian Church, and received the following reply from Dr. Chorowsky:  

No. The doctrine of revelation of the absolute and indisputable authority of the Bible is alien to Unitarian faith and teaching.

It is not necessary to point out that this view of the Scripture is the same view held by reformed Judaism, Christian Science, Unity and a host of other non-Christian cults, all of whom are content to utilize the Scriptures, but in a manner never intended by the authors.”

The Bible itself claims that it is Divinely inspired and authoritative.  2Peter 3:14-16, 2Timothy 3:16-17.

UU’s may call themselves “Christian” but they deny the authority of the Word of God.  They deny major Christian doctrines, such as the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Trinity and Atonement. They do not believe in the judgment of God and that the unregenerate will go to hell.  UUs view of “salvation” is good works or salvation of character (pg 503, The Kingdom of the Cults by Dr. Walter Martin, see above notation).

Therefore they treat the Bible as another “religious” writing on the same level as Hinduism, eastern religions and pagan religions.  When Jeanette Rishell speaks of her belief in “family” values it will be entirely different than the traditional view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanette Rishell and the Bull Run Unitarian Universalists</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that UUs do not consider the Bible as the authoritative Word of God.  They deny that it is divinely inspired and infallible.  Yet they will quote verses out of the Bible to support their own beliefs.  They start with their own belief system then they will take Bible verses out of their own context to support their predetermined belief.  So even though they do not believe the Word of God is authoritative they will use Scripture verses out of context to support their beliefs in an authoritative way.  That is why you will often hear them quote Bible verses. </p>
<p>Dr. Walter Martin in his book &#8220;The Kingdom of the Cults&#8221; indicates that in 1955 &#8220;Look&#8221; magazine conducted a survey of the major religions in the U.S. to ask what they believed about Christian doctrine.  A Dr. Carl Chorowsky was appointed by the Unitarians to answer the questions on this survey.  One of the questions dealt with whether the Bible was divinely inspired.  Here is a quote from the book (The Kingdom of the Cults by Dr. Walter Martin, forty-sixth printing April 1992, copyright 1965, 1977, 1985, Published by Bethany House Publishers) pages 503-504:</p>
<p>“’Do Unitarians believe the Bible is divinely inspired and infallible?’ This was one of the key questions addressed to the Unitarian Church, and received the following reply from Dr. Chorowsky:  </p>
<p>No. The doctrine of revelation of the absolute and indisputable authority of the Bible is alien to Unitarian faith and teaching.</p>
<p>It is not necessary to point out that this view of the Scripture is the same view held by reformed Judaism, Christian Science, Unity and a host of other non-Christian cults, all of whom are content to utilize the Scriptures, but in a manner never intended by the authors.”</p>
<p>The Bible itself claims that it is Divinely inspired and authoritative.  2Peter 3:14-16, 2Timothy 3:16-17.</p>
<p>UU’s may call themselves “Christian” but they deny the authority of the Word of God.  They deny major Christian doctrines, such as the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Trinity and Atonement. They do not believe in the judgment of God and that the unregenerate will go to hell.  UUs view of “salvation” is good works or salvation of character (pg 503, The Kingdom of the Cults by Dr. Walter Martin, see above notation).</p>
<p>Therefore they treat the Bible as another “religious” writing on the same level as Hinduism, eastern religions and pagan religions.  When Jeanette Rishell speaks of her belief in “family” values it will be entirely different than the traditional view.</p>
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		<title>By: BattleCat</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87321</link>
		<dc:creator>BattleCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/08/20/open-thread-41/#comment-87321</guid>
		<description>I don't know if the whole "left invoking Nazis to bash American Citizens" thing is worth getting all wee-wee'd up about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the whole &#8220;left invoking Nazis to bash American Citizens&#8221; thing is worth getting all wee-wee&#8217;d up about.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi started the whole Nazi thing in a bid to discredit town hall obamacare critics as astroturf rather than grassroots. The dem controlled Hiil never intended for their healthcare reform/ insurance reform/public option/co-op or whatever they now call it to be available and open to citizen review. It was never about health, medical or otherwise. It was about control served up as care.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gsc_R12Q-4


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024261.php


http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/ramirez-trojan-donkey/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi started the whole Nazi thing in a bid to discredit town hall obamacare critics as astroturf rather than grassroots. The dem controlled Hiil never intended for their healthcare reform/ insurance reform/public option/co-op or whatever they now call it to be available and open to citizen review. It was never about health, medical or otherwise. It was about control served up as care.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gsc_R12Q-4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gsc_R12Q-4</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024261.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024261.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/ramirez-trojan-donkey/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/ramirez-trojan-donkey/</a></p>
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