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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Undocumented Immigrant&#8221; or &#8220;Illegal Alien&#8221;?</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/</link>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88370</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88370</guid>
		<description>"Illegal Alien" has always made me think of  the movie "Men In Black".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Illegal Alien&#8221; has always made me think of  the movie &#8220;Men In Black&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88321</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88321</guid>
		<description>Where does the idea come from (other than the author of the post saying so - a standard of factual accuracy long ago abandoned here) that this is a decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit?  I sure don't see that.  It looks fairly patently to be an intermediate state appellate court decision from California - one that has a little age on it at that.  If someone can show me I'm wrong, I'll apologize gracefully, but the docket number looks like a state court matter that goes back a few years. 

As to the footnote itself, it has no legal significance.  The state court (not the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals) was looking for a coinage convention for its decision and explained, reasonably enough it seems in this context, that it would use "illegal aliens" as a descriptor in a case questioning whether resident illegal aliens were entitled to in-state tuition in California.  One can use any number of descriptors as long as one does so consistently.  I tend to favor "uninspected entrant" (which is the violation for sneaking across)  for people who cross the border without going through required border checks and "illegal aliens" for those who overstay visas (or who otherwise enter legally, but then go out of status).  The latter term is big enough to sweep in anyone who is here who shouldn't be, but so is undocumented worker and any number of other terms.  But I'm not sure it matters as long as we all know what we are talking about.  

I would think anyone who reads court opinions with any frequency would wonder why this is significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does the idea come from (other than the author of the post saying so - a standard of factual accuracy long ago abandoned here) that this is a decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit?  I sure don&#8217;t see that.  It looks fairly patently to be an intermediate state appellate court decision from California - one that has a little age on it at that.  If someone can show me I&#8217;m wrong, I&#8217;ll apologize gracefully, but the docket number looks like a state court matter that goes back a few years. </p>
<p>As to the footnote itself, it has no legal significance.  The state court (not the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals) was looking for a coinage convention for its decision and explained, reasonably enough it seems in this context, that it would use &#8220;illegal aliens&#8221; as a descriptor in a case questioning whether resident illegal aliens were entitled to in-state tuition in California.  One can use any number of descriptors as long as one does so consistently.  I tend to favor &#8220;uninspected entrant&#8221; (which is the violation for sneaking across)  for people who cross the border without going through required border checks and &#8220;illegal aliens&#8221; for those who overstay visas (or who otherwise enter legally, but then go out of status).  The latter term is big enough to sweep in anyone who is here who shouldn&#8217;t be, but so is undocumented worker and any number of other terms.  But I&#8217;m not sure it matters as long as we all know what we are talking about.  </p>
<p>I would think anyone who reads court opinions with any frequency would wonder why this is significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Kurtz</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88282</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt Kurtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88282</guid>
		<description>I prefer calling a spade a fricking shovel, so I use the term, "Illegal Invaders."  It's much more descriptive conveys the crux of the issue involving these folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer calling a spade a fricking shovel, so I use the term, &#8220;Illegal Invaders.&#8221;  It&#8217;s much more descriptive conveys the crux of the issue involving these folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry C from Manassas</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88269</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry C from Manassas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88269</guid>
		<description>Exactly.  The "Ninth Circus", the most liberal (and reversed) Circuit Court in the country is on board with unambiguous language.

We don't need Liberal Newspeak to know what is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  The &#8220;Ninth Circus&#8221;, the most liberal (and reversed) Circuit Court in the country is on board with unambiguous language.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need Liberal Newspeak to know what is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88236</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88236</guid>
		<description>For those who are not aware, the Ninth Circuit Court is the MOST LIBERAL federal appeals court in the nation.  If they aren't on board with the "undocumented immigrant" misnomer, then the term truly has no validity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are not aware, the Ninth Circuit Court is the MOST LIBERAL federal appeals court in the nation.  If they aren&#8217;t on board with the &#8220;undocumented immigrant&#8221; misnomer, then the term truly has no validity.</p>
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		<title>By: es_la_ley</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88232</link>
		<dc:creator>es_la_ley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88232</guid>
		<description>From the &lt;b&gt;Ninth Circus&lt;/b&gt; no less!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the <b>Ninth Circus</b> no less!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88221</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88221</guid>
		<description>The two junior investigators need to consult with NCLR posing as illegal aliens trying to establish a business. That would be very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two junior investigators need to consult with NCLR posing as illegal aliens trying to establish a business. That would be very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify???)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88219</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify???)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88219</guid>
		<description>http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/september-18-2009/acorn-accused-using-federal-money-immigration-battle.html?jid=257754&#38;lid=9&#38;rid=2349&#38;tid=254574
"ACORN Accused of Using Federal Money for Immigration Battle"

This investigation should happen! Now what about NCLR? They receive plenty of OUR tax money....and I believe they use it in their efforts to counter our efforts to stop amnesty and pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. NCLR must be investigated too! Someone in the mainstream media needs to break this wide open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/september-18-2009/acorn-accused-using-federal-money-immigration-battle.html?jid=257754&amp;lid=9&amp;rid=2349&amp;tid=254574" rel="nofollow">http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/september-18-2009/acorn-accused-using-federal-money-immigration-battle.html?jid=257754&amp;lid=9&amp;rid=2349&amp;tid=254574</a><br />
&#8220;ACORN Accused of Using Federal Money for Immigration Battle&#8221;</p>
<p>This investigation should happen! Now what about NCLR? They receive plenty of OUR tax money&#8230;.and I believe they use it in their efforts to counter our efforts to stop amnesty and pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. NCLR must be investigated too! Someone in the mainstream media needs to break this wide open.</p>
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		<title>By: The Patriot (Got E-Verify???)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88217</link>
		<dc:creator>The Patriot (Got E-Verify???)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88217</guid>
		<description>Illegal Aliens are not "undocumented" (they use many forms of "forged" documents to operate and get jobs). That activity is "illegal". Therefore, they are "illegally documented aliens".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal Aliens are not &#8220;undocumented&#8221; (they use many forms of &#8220;forged&#8221; documents to operate and get jobs). That activity is &#8220;illegal&#8221;. Therefore, they are &#8220;illegally documented aliens&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Disgusted</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88216</link>
		<dc:creator>Disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/09/19/undocumented-immigrant-or-illegal-alien/#comment-88216</guid>
		<description>Nice &#38; neat with pretty little bow on top.  Good job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice &amp; neat with pretty little bow on top.  Good job!</p>
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