Why is it that if you cross the North Korean border illegally you get thrown into prison and get 12 years of hard labor?

If you cross the Iranian border while out supposedly leisurely hiking in the hills you get arrested and imprisoned.

But ……if you cross the U.S. Border illegally you get a drivers license, a Social Security card and free health care.

Who’s bright idea was this?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/28/job-seeker-job-opening-ratio-worst-in-decade/

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/28/congressional-dems-to-open-obamacare-to-illegals/

Well, are not the liberals trying to get it to 100.00%?

Why should citizens work when we can have illegals do our work at recuced wages - but at much higher social costs (much higher taxes)?

CC - the picture I painted had more to do with the distribution of labor than what race is getting assistance.

Business has always been able to drive down the cost of labor when there is a surplus of it. With the first and second amnesty, along with the blind eye on our borders, the surplus of unskilled and semi skilled labor went sky high.

This surplus has also been compounded by the continued outsourcing of jobs both in the manufacturing and business services industries. This has resulted in the reduction and stagnation of income, shifted the working demographics and increased the demand for assistance from all social services resources.

It is easy to blame the illegals for many reasons. It’s also easy to blame everyone who gives them assistance, those who fail to enforce our laws and others who break them.

What is difficult is getting any positive action taking place after we have identified the target areas for correction. As we have seen, when the political structure fails to fear the people it no longer even tries to cover up its corruption.

I will point the finger at both political parties, shady business people and all people, illegal or otherwise that exploit the system that the tax paying citizens of this country put in place.

The only way to raise wages and improve the quality of life for all economic levels will be to reduce the surplus of labor.

As far as who will get hired to mow lawns, walk dogs and raise kids……get rid of the illegal people, cut back on social services and start putting able bodied people to work weather they want to work or not.

Under categories, on the right. Now is not that an interesting number!

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http://conservablogs.com/publiusforum/wp-content/themes/art/obama/obama7.jpg

http://soundtaste.typepad.com/sound_taste/2009/04/ok-we-like-shepard-fairey-again.html

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/08/25/the-national-endowment-for-the-art-of-persuasion-patrick-courrielche/

“What’s up with the illustration for this thread. Does that little girl actually have her hand in a fist like the black panthers??? She looks like she’s ready to punch someone out!”

She had punched someone out - with the help of the liberals, liberal politicians, and their corrupt supporters - she - along with the other millions of illegals - has punched out America!

Wonder if the intent of that illustration is to play upon our sympathies?

Anyone showing sympathy for illegals is showing misplaced sympathy!

We are flat being overrun with illegals and all the grief that is coming with it that will absolutely change the landscape of this country forever - and yes, that is bad, not good.

As for the churches, it is just one more example of laws being broken and the lack of government resolve to stop it.

We, the People, haven’t been running this country since the 60’s. Politicians have annoited themselves, expanded our bloated government and wrote regulations, law and created of a bureacracy that is out of control and spent every penny we can make in our lifetime. Illegals become legals with the stroke of a pen after a straw vote and then its done. They win, we continue to lose and for what purpose, what gain?

also a wonderful demonstration of their grasp of economics, or the lack thereof.

In credit practices it could determine a person’s right to buy any vehicle, if in the United States illegally. It could also disrupt radical organizations like ACORN that was instrumental in assisting foreign nationals buying house mortgages, which had a major impact in the real estate collapse. E-Verify could help emergency rooms identify illegal immigrants using forged documents and enable law enforcement to track the employer. That business should be forced to pay for the person’s injury or treatment instead of the proverbial taxpayers. Schools, colleges could check new student admittances for their immigration status. The E-Verification identification system could accomplish numerous other extraction processes, in determining a person’s right to government benefits.

DON’T LET E-VERIFY EXPIRE ON SEPTEMBER 30? CALL YOUR LAWMAKER AT 202-224-3121 AND DEMAND OTHER USES. E-VERIFY COULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT, IN THE ILLEGAL INVASION OF OUR COUNTRY. CUT-OFF ALL BENEFITS. INSIST ON RESCINDING THE BIRTHRIGHT LAW, APPLICABLE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT MOTHERS. WE NEED NO NEW AMNESTY. E-VERIFY COULD SAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT IS BEING PAID OUT TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN SANCTUARY CITIES AND STATES. IN ADDITION SAY–NO–TO FOREIGN NATIONALS BEING COUNTED IN THE 2010 CENSUS. GOOGLE– NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIAL WATCH & CAPSWEB FOR FACTS ON YOUR DOLLARS, STATISTICS, OVERPOPULATION, FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE AND CORRUPTION IN WASHINGTON.

Karla: “Does this make sense?” Uh, no. Actually. You have a very odd notion of the concept of citizenship. Believe me, no offense, but it’s not all about you, whatever you have been led to believe.

Concerned citizen sez “it’s not a joke when my immigration lawyer friend tells me there’s literally NO-WAY for those who pick crops or wash linens to get here legally into the states. there IS NO LINE to legally stand in for unskilled, uneducated workers.”

Well it all depends. There are work visas for farm labor and the limit on them is none. That’s right - no limit. HOWEVER the business bringing them in has to agree to a certain wage, some benefits, and certain amount of labor (as in x months, not just as long as needed - 3 hours, 3 days, 3 weeks, etc). The Biz interests don’t want to do this. It’s easier to hire illegals for as long as they want them, pay as little as they can get away, with and give zip as benefits.

And why should the US permanently allow in people who are unable to take care of themselves and will depend on substantial public assistance? We have plenty of these in the US now. Do you really want third-world living conditions in the US? That’s where we are heading.

And FWIW most countries have far stricter immigration rules than the US, which is why relatively few US citizens could go to most decent countries if they wanted to. Bill Gates and his billions are welcome anywhere. An average $45,000-a-year white collar guy even with a BA/BS isn’t. There are people whose families have lived in Japan for generations who are still not considered citizens. Think about that.

And again, Karla: As for mechanization, the US is actually behind some countries as far as farm mechanization is concerned. Why would Farmer Ag-biz buy a really expensive machine which he then has to (1) “feed”, (2) “house” (3) maintain and fix, and (4) replace at great expense after it wears out when he can hire low-cost illegal aliens and (1) let them go to local food banks, etc (2) let them figure out where to live and if it’s 20 to a house, it won’t be in HIS neighborhood, (3) drop them off at the ER when they need “fixing”, and (4) simply bring in the next batch when they wear out? He privatizes the profits and socializes the costs. Nice business plan if you can get it.

Also when the labor he brings in drives wages so low that US citizens can’t take the jobs without relying heavily on social services, who pays? All of us do. He pays too but the profit he gains more than offsets his payment. We OTOH don’t get his profits; he does.

But Karla you are on to something: Back during the last great wave of immigration, there were no social services to speak of. And about 30-40% of the LEGAL immigrants who came to the US WENT BACK HOME. We are now seeing some immigrants going home as jobs dry up.

So where does this lead:
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2009/09/20/hyatt-housekeepers-forced-to-train-their-h-2b-replacements/

In addition to H-1B IT specailists training their replacements, we now have housekeepers having to train their replacements? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? No……

Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) Statistical report from 1995
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/statbriefs/sb2-95.html
• 1.5 million black americans, 2.1 million white americans, 0.8 million latino hispanics
• note that in terms of percentages, black americans constitute a significantly higher percentage in relation to their population than white americans

Food Stamps statistics from 2005
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884814.html
• 10.7 million white americans, 8.3 million black americans, 4.8 million latino/hispanics, less than 1 million others

U.S. Census Bureau: Food Stamp Receipt and Public Assistance statistics 2008
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/hh-fam/cps2008.html (download excel file Table C7)
• food stamp receipts: 5.6 million white americans, 3.5 million black americans, 2.7 latino/hispanic americans, 0.8 million others
• public assistance: 1.4 million white americans, 1.1 million black americans, 0.7 million latino/hispanic americans, 0.2 million others

Now some comments:

People RIGHTLY argue that exact numbers don’t reflect percentages of the whole (i.e. though more white americans receive public assistance, they are nevertheless a small percentage of all white americans; whereas the percentage is significantly higher for black americans and latino/hispanic americans.

Still, the observation is that in terms of sheer numbers, welfare is caring for many and all groups - and the winner by a slight margin in terms of actual numbers, anglos.

I couldn’t find statistical data differentiating between recent immigrants and longer standing groups in terms of welfare recipients. anyone know where some hard data on this might be found?

citizen 12, i whole-heartedly love the picture you paint. how i wish we could be there again when flipping burgers was a respectable summer job for kids and retirees didn’t mind contributing for a bit of loose change. alas, those days are gone. big business and markets are driving us to extremes - extreme poverty or extreme wealth. and in this landscape, it may seem easy to blame illegals, but they’re a part of that extreme world. want to check illegal immigration? check capitalism run amok and restore a sense of dignity to all work, make homes affordable for all people, and don’t turn the U.S. into a nation of stockbrokers, insurance giants, and CEOs with posh bonuses who won’t mow their own lawns or walk their own dogs or raise their own kids. guess who they hire?

did i grow up watching Leave it to Beaver and see all the happy teenage kids flipping burgers? sure. but that’s the point! that was twenty/thirty years ago. that’s NOT ten years ago. if you’re a family in the middle, you’re NOT going to send your kid to flip burgers. not when the competition is sending their children to business internships or to language camps or to “fill out my college resume” programs. if you can’t see that change, then you’re getting ready for extinction.

are we living in the same U.S. here? i thought it was a given that the middle class is rapidly disappearing. it’s in THIS world that the present issue on immigration, both legal and necessarily illegal (necessarily because i still can’t come up with an argument as to why someone would risk their LIVES giving their life-savings to cross a border with thugs - unless they felt it NECESSARY) takes on a global component.

i appreciate the observation that we seem to have no problem letting goods and finance flow from poorer nations into our own, but not its people. let’s take the economic scenario a step further.

forget low-wage jobs that most teens i know are reluctant to take (meaning the white teens i know - again, this may be different in areas still majority anglo). what about blue-collar jobs? they’re disappearing non incrementally, but exponentially.

i agree, when robotics becomes affordable and profitable, then both low-wage and blue-collar jobs will disappear entirely. then all of humanity will make a radical evolutionary leap into either “star trek” utopia or “blade runner” technocratic goth-world. but until that time, this issue of immigration is at heart an increasingly real question of SURVIVAL. blue-collar workers are losing their survival skills. and as much as you tell Joe car-manufacturer to get another degree in computer technology, the truth is, Joe’s a gonner. he’s a dinosaur.

you want to keep your fast foods and clothes cheap (a head of lettuce won’t hit $10 because we have enough crap to keep making billions of them, and because, check this out, because our government already pays out millions upon millions so farmers WON’T make more - but people? last time i checked, we don’t have robots to replace them, and we still want our fast food to be fast and our hotels cheap), then we have to address the REALITY that those jobs are not being over-run by anglo kids anymore.

i’m beginning to think this blog is dominated by folks who are all high-tech industry folks or doctors or lawyers. any blue-collar folks out there worried about your future? cause we’re already on the cutting block.

i actually like a picture of america where we have all income levels. i like the picture that folks can work hard and make their way up. let’s not forget that when we’re talking about how our taxes are beings sucked away by illegals, the MAJORITY of those who receive social welfare benefits, who are in poverty in the US, the MAJORITY ARE WHITES. they’re us. the one’s i see in my neighborhood working two jobs at minimum wage, wanna guess who they are?

$10 lettuce guy, give me more 411 if i’m wrong in my assessment of costs - in particular the difference between labor costs and product costs when the government steps in to subsidize certain interest groups - like farmers and their lettuce fields.

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Let’s go back a little over 20 years ago. Paper routes, lawn mowing, fast food and many retail jobs were filled not by immigrants but American high school kids, college kids, semi retired and part timers looking for extra income. It is not like these jobs went undone. Then Reagan granted an amnesty with the commitment on tighter security and employment/citizenship verification would be the norm. It’s been a downhill slide ever since.

The legal immigrant is not the issue. That’s a moot point. Bringing that up just clouds the issue. The immigrants of previous generations, before the establishment of existing laws are not the issue. Thats a moot point. Bringing them up just clouds the issue. While the wait time to enter America for many seems too long, why should we reward the law breakers, the illegal ones? That IS the point.

It’s not the taxpayer’s responsibility to subsidize the business interest who hires cheap labor. It’s not the taxpayer’s responsibility to subsidize people who feel entitled to things they cannot afford, be it a new car, a home or children. Let’s not forget that the consumer in search of the cheapest price in town is also subsidized by the taxpayer as well.

The way the system has evolved many find it easier to make ends meet NOT being employed. This country has supported and subsidized the unskilled low wage earner through its social services programs for many many years. We need to put them to work, not import millions more.