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	<title>Comments on: The Mystery Of Pattie Precinct</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/</link>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89776</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRECINCT CANDIDATE VOTE VOTE% 
305 - PATTIE
(District 11)


Last Reported: Nov 5 2009 12:24PM EST
 
William T. "Bill" Bolling 582 59.08% 

Jody M. Wagner 402 40.81% 

Write In 1 0.10% 

Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRECINCT CANDIDATE VOTE VOTE%<br />
305 - PATTIE<br />
(District 11)</p>
<p>Last Reported: Nov 5 2009 12:24PM EST</p>
<p>William T. &#8220;Bill&#8221; Bolling 582 59.08% </p>
<p>Jody M. Wagner 402 40.81% </p>
<p>Write In 1 0.10% </p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Gurduloo</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89766</link>
		<dc:creator>Gurduloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89766</guid>
		<description>As a last resort, the printout from each voting machine is available for review by citizens at the courthouse.  You can go there an tabulate the results yourself if you think there's an error.  But first, I would contact your local Electoral Board and tell them about it.  And complain that the precinct chief should have caught this error before it was called in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a last resort, the printout from each voting machine is available for review by citizens at the courthouse.  You can go there an tabulate the results yourself if you think there&#8217;s an error.  But first, I would contact your local Electoral Board and tell them about it.  And complain that the precinct chief should have caught this error before it was called in.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89758</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89758</guid>
		<description>The bad data is still there, so if it has been corrected, the info from SBE hasn't been updated.  There have been no corrections noted on the SBE website in this race since about 3:30PM today.

Not good to have major errors like this persist for so long, if they've been addressed.  Getting these fixed and the results updated quickly is important to maintaining voter confidence in the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad data is still there, so if it has been corrected, the info from SBE hasn&#8217;t been updated.  There have been no corrections noted on the SBE website in this race since about 3:30PM today.</p>
<p>Not good to have major errors like this persist for so long, if they&#8217;ve been addressed.  Getting these fixed and the results updated quickly is important to maintaining voter confidence in the results.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89755</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89755</guid>
		<description>This was almost certainly corrected as the County Board of Elections met today.  I was there, but as I was tasked with monitoring a different race (as almost every other observer was, too), I didn't pay attention to Pattie.

By the way, as a result of the count, Anderson's margin increased by at least 71 votes.  The report last night was "229," but the written report from the voting machines was "299," probably resulting from a transcription error.  I strongly suspect that the same explains the discrepancy in Pattie.  There probably aren't 4,022 registered voters in that precinct, and almost certainly not that many voters yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was almost certainly corrected as the County Board of Elections met today.  I was there, but as I was tasked with monitoring a different race (as almost every other observer was, too), I didn&#8217;t pay attention to Pattie.</p>
<p>By the way, as a result of the count, Anderson&#8217;s margin increased by at least 71 votes.  The report last night was &#8220;229,&#8221; but the written report from the voting machines was &#8220;299,&#8221; probably resulting from a transcription error.  I strongly suspect that the same explains the discrepancy in Pattie.  There probably aren&#8217;t 4,022 registered voters in that precinct, and almost certainly not that many voters yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Sincere</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89752</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Sincere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89752</guid>
		<description>Your post indicates a total incomprehension of the election and canvass process.

"SBE" does not post election results.  All results are posted by local election officials -- Electoral Boards and General Registrars -- to the SBE web site.  The SBE has no source of information about election returns other than the local officials.

The canvass begins on election night and continues on Wednesday morning.  Most jurisdictions are able to finish the process within a day, but sometimes it takes longer.  We were able to finish the canvass in Charlottesville today in about 6 hours, but last year -- 2008 -- we took over two days to complete the canvass.  And Charlottesville only has 9 precincts, including Central Absentee Precinct.  Imagine how much time and effort has to go into the canvass for large-population localities like Prince William, Fairfax, or Virginia Beach.

The canvass process is meticulous and tedious.  It involves going through the paperwork of each precinct, one at a time, checking numbers and assuring that all votes have been counted.

EVERY ELECTION results in some mistakes being reported on election night.  The errors might be small or they might be large.  THIS IS WHY THE RESULTS ARE CALLED "UNOFFICIAL."  Nothing is "official" until the State Board of Elections certifies the winners about three weeks after the election.

Statements of Results are compiled by election officials after 7:00 p.m. on a day that they have been working since 5:00 a.m. or earlier.  Bad penmanship, a "4" read as a "9", failing to transfer numbers from one piece of paper to another, writing "402" as "4402," misunderstanding "nine" as "five" over a telephone in a noisy room -- any of these may cause inaccurate reports on election night that might not be corrected for hours or days.  None of these errors are excusable if they are allowed to stand, but that is why we have a canvass:  to correct errors and assure accuracy.

Electoral Boards and their staffs try to complete the canvass as efficiently and swiftly as possible, but it cannot be instantaneous.

The canvass is an open, public meeting.  Any citizen can observe it.  Try it next time and you might not be so ignorantly critical.  The Democratic and Republican party officials who have observed Charlottesville canvasses always leave with a sense of enlightenment ("I never knew how much you had to do after election day") and appreciation.  I suspect the same is true in other localities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post indicates a total incomprehension of the election and canvass process.</p>
<p>&#8220;SBE&#8221; does not post election results.  All results are posted by local election officials &#8212; Electoral Boards and General Registrars &#8212; to the SBE web site.  The SBE has no source of information about election returns other than the local officials.</p>
<p>The canvass begins on election night and continues on Wednesday morning.  Most jurisdictions are able to finish the process within a day, but sometimes it takes longer.  We were able to finish the canvass in Charlottesville today in about 6 hours, but last year &#8212; 2008 &#8212; we took over two days to complete the canvass.  And Charlottesville only has 9 precincts, including Central Absentee Precinct.  Imagine how much time and effort has to go into the canvass for large-population localities like Prince William, Fairfax, or Virginia Beach.</p>
<p>The canvass process is meticulous and tedious.  It involves going through the paperwork of each precinct, one at a time, checking numbers and assuring that all votes have been counted.</p>
<p>EVERY ELECTION results in some mistakes being reported on election night.  The errors might be small or they might be large.  THIS IS WHY THE RESULTS ARE CALLED &#8220;UNOFFICIAL.&#8221;  Nothing is &#8220;official&#8221; until the State Board of Elections certifies the winners about three weeks after the election.</p>
<p>Statements of Results are compiled by election officials after 7:00 p.m. on a day that they have been working since 5:00 a.m. or earlier.  Bad penmanship, a &#8220;4&#8243; read as a &#8220;9&#8243;, failing to transfer numbers from one piece of paper to another, writing &#8220;402&#8243; as &#8220;4402,&#8221; misunderstanding &#8220;nine&#8221; as &#8220;five&#8221; over a telephone in a noisy room &#8212; any of these may cause inaccurate reports on election night that might not be corrected for hours or days.  None of these errors are excusable if they are allowed to stand, but that is why we have a canvass:  to correct errors and assure accuracy.</p>
<p>Electoral Boards and their staffs try to complete the canvass as efficiently and swiftly as possible, but it cannot be instantaneous.</p>
<p>The canvass is an open, public meeting.  Any citizen can observe it.  Try it next time and you might not be so ignorantly critical.  The Democratic and Republican party officials who have observed Charlottesville canvasses always leave with a sense of enlightenment (&#8221;I never knew how much you had to do after election day&#8221;) and appreciation.  I suspect the same is true in other localities.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89747</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89747</guid>
		<description>Anderson won by about 200 votes last night.  Had that been Anderson being behind by about 200 votes instead of ahead, I'm pretty sure he would have given a concession rather than go through a recount.

He's not the only candidate who would probably act like that.

In this case, SBE made what looks like a 3,820 vote error in one precinct, and still hasn't noticed it.  If that kind of huge mistake eludes them, will these errors continue to not be noticed, and what about the errors that aren't quite so glaring?  Do they ever get corrected in the official results?

And what do we say to candidates who are given bad information about election returns and then make decisions on that bad information that they have to then go back and reverse?

It's not that hard to prevent obvious mistakes, and SBE owes it to the candidates and the public to take reasonable steps to prevent them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson won by about 200 votes last night.  Had that been Anderson being behind by about 200 votes instead of ahead, I&#8217;m pretty sure he would have given a concession rather than go through a recount.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not the only candidate who would probably act like that.</p>
<p>In this case, SBE made what looks like a 3,820 vote error in one precinct, and still hasn&#8217;t noticed it.  If that kind of huge mistake eludes them, will these errors continue to not be noticed, and what about the errors that aren&#8217;t quite so glaring?  Do they ever get corrected in the official results?</p>
<p>And what do we say to candidates who are given bad information about election returns and then make decisions on that bad information that they have to then go back and reverse?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that hard to prevent obvious mistakes, and SBE owes it to the candidates and the public to take reasonable steps to prevent them.</p>
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		<title>By: NotTimothyGeithner</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89745</link>
		<dc:creator>NotTimothyGeithner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89745</guid>
		<description>The totals that the SBE puts up aren't official and since everyone has voted already its not going to sway a vote. Its not much of a mystery. They put that up for us, but the only numbers that matter are their official ones. I'd be more concerned with them watching those numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The totals that the SBE puts up aren&#8217;t official and since everyone has voted already its not going to sway a vote. Its not much of a mystery. They put that up for us, but the only numbers that matter are their official ones. I&#8217;d be more concerned with them watching those numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2009/11/04/the-mystery-of-pattie-precinct/#comment-89743</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't think for a minute that ACORN's tentacles don't reach into Virginia.

As they have proven, they are anything but sophisticated, but they make up for that with gall.

Don't look for the SBE to do squat.  They will figure that the R's won - so why bother.  I am sure that they are none to happy with the results as they are.  Remember, these are the folks who brought us motor voter.

Next election, it will be worse and more widespread.

Count on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think for a minute that ACORN&#8217;s tentacles don&#8217;t reach into Virginia.</p>
<p>As they have proven, they are anything but sophisticated, but they make up for that with gall.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t look for the SBE to do squat.  They will figure that the R&#8217;s won - so why bother.  I am sure that they are none to happy with the results as they are.  Remember, these are the folks who brought us motor voter.</p>
<p>Next election, it will be worse and more widespread.</p>
<p>Count on it.</p>
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