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	<title>Comments on: Marsden Upsets In 37th District</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/</link>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91306</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know how much they spent on TV, but the GOP sure forgot about GOTV and volunteer outreach. That is usually where the battles are won and lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how much they spent on TV, but the GOP sure forgot about GOTV and volunteer outreach. That is usually where the battles are won and lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91256</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91256</guid>
		<description>The Marsden campaign sent out a flyer showing a sofa and saying something to the affect..."you can be sitting on your sofa on Tuesday if you vote absentee".
He encouraged his supporters to commit fraud by falsely signing their reasons for the absentee votes. My question is where was his sofa located?  In his home of residence outside the 37th or his rented room in the 37th?
What a guy!!! Must be nice to be above the law!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Marsden campaign sent out a flyer showing a sofa and saying something to the affect&#8230;&#8221;you can be sitting on your sofa on Tuesday if you vote absentee&#8221;.<br />
He encouraged his supporters to commit fraud by falsely signing their reasons for the absentee votes. My question is where was his sofa located?  In his home of residence outside the 37th or his rented room in the 37th?<br />
What a guy!!! Must be nice to be above the law!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91244</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were problems in the GOP campaign. Many supporters were left out in the cold. There was little effort to reach out to grassroot conservatives. Maybe for the next election they will try to do a little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were problems in the GOP campaign. Many supporters were left out in the cold. There was little effort to reach out to grassroot conservatives. Maybe for the next election they will try to do a little more.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91221</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91221</guid>
		<description>I hope Brown is paying attention in Mass.  Absentee Ballots are the easiest way to overcome voter apathy.  When you are at the door, you get them to vote.  Simple as that, you hand them the ballot, they fill it out, you give them the stamp, they place it in their mailbox, you move on. 

Don't have to worry about voter apathy, because people who otherwise could care less won't find it a bother if they are "democrat" to sign their name to a form handed to them by democrats.

Absentee ballots are no longer restricted to people who can't make it to the polls, regardless of what the law states.  My guess is that if you had called every house that submitted an absentee ballot on Tuesday, over half the people would have been in their homes, available to vote.

I don't know, and we'll probably never know, if there was any actual fraud, although absentee ballots certainly have the possibility for fraud.

On another question -- the special election was really a rushed thing.  How hard was it for military folks to get ballots and vote them for an election like this?  Is it possible there were simply a lot fewer republican absentee military votes than usual?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Brown is paying attention in Mass.  Absentee Ballots are the easiest way to overcome voter apathy.  When you are at the door, you get them to vote.  Simple as that, you hand them the ballot, they fill it out, you give them the stamp, they place it in their mailbox, you move on. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have to worry about voter apathy, because people who otherwise could care less won&#8217;t find it a bother if they are &#8220;democrat&#8221; to sign their name to a form handed to them by democrats.</p>
<p>Absentee ballots are no longer restricted to people who can&#8217;t make it to the polls, regardless of what the law states.  My guess is that if you had called every house that submitted an absentee ballot on Tuesday, over half the people would have been in their homes, available to vote.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, and we&#8217;ll probably never know, if there was any actual fraud, although absentee ballots certainly have the possibility for fraud.</p>
<p>On another question &#8212; the special election was really a rushed thing.  How hard was it for military folks to get ballots and vote them for an election like this?  Is it possible there were simply a lot fewer republican absentee military votes than usual?</p>
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		<title>By: Loudoun Insider</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91214</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudoun Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91214</guid>
		<description>This shows you the folly of having three GOP candidates try to run to the right of each other to get the nomination in a Dem leaning district.  Hard conservative doesn't work everywhere, people.  Cooch kept that seat due to his considerable political skills.  Hunt was a dud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This shows you the folly of having three GOP candidates try to run to the right of each other to get the nomination in a Dem leaning district.  Hard conservative doesn&#8217;t work everywhere, people.  Cooch kept that seat due to his considerable political skills.  Hunt was a dud.</p>
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		<title>By: ...</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91213</link>
		<dc:creator>...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91213</guid>
		<description>The whole country smells like Illinois and the stench comes from the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole country smells like Illinois and the stench comes from the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogojovitch</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91212</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogojovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91212</guid>
		<description>Smells like Illinois to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smells like Illinois to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Watson</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91211</link>
		<dc:creator>Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91211</guid>
		<description>Wait a minute!  Jeff Hunter is on to something. The website shows that Marsden won by 327 votes.  Absentee voting was in his favor by 405 votes.  That made the difference.  Furthermore, exactly 800 absentee votes were counted for Marsden.  Very fishy. 

I've noted absentee votes are usually split more evenly along party lines.  An even number of 800 absentee votes for one candidate, and only 395 votes for the other leads me to believe some of those absentee voters might be absentee for a reason - like maybe they don't even live in the district, or even exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute!  Jeff Hunter is on to something. The website shows that Marsden won by 327 votes.  Absentee voting was in his favor by 405 votes.  That made the difference.  Furthermore, exactly 800 absentee votes were counted for Marsden.  Very fishy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noted absentee votes are usually split more evenly along party lines.  An even number of 800 absentee votes for one candidate, and only 395 votes for the other leads me to believe some of those absentee voters might be absentee for a reason - like maybe they don&#8217;t even live in the district, or even exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanford Horn</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91210</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanford Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91210</guid>
		<description>The only plus is that Marsden will only serve for two years, as the Senate is up in 2011. Now is the time to recruit and nurthre the appropriate, clean candidate who lives in the district to knock Marsden out.

OK, people, get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only plus is that Marsden will only serve for two years, as the Senate is up in 2011. Now is the time to recruit and nurthre the appropriate, clean candidate who lives in the district to knock Marsden out.</p>
<p>OK, people, get to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnarly</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91207</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnarly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91207</guid>
		<description>Jeff.....

You are on to something.  I seriously question the validity of the absentee ballot count.  I have never seen anything like this in any NOVA election.  Something ACORN-esque happened here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff&#8230;..</p>
<p>You are on to something.  I seriously question the validity of the absentee ballot count.  I have never seen anything like this in any NOVA election.  Something ACORN-esque happened here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91206</guid>
		<description>https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.gov/election/DATA/2010/818D5A26-7936-4A79-B1B3-C8553FEE5DD5/Unofficial/00_p_059_BC62E6EF-3282-4721-857B-565BCD48D5B3.shtml

So the overall margin is 51% to 49% and largest precinct delta is 924 - LONDON TOWNE WEST, 64% to 36%, yet the Abstenee votes break %66 to %33% (~1% write in).  

Does anyone else smell something fishy or is this normal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.gov/election/DATA/2010/818D5A26-7936-4A79-B1B3-C8553FEE5DD5/Unofficial/00_p_059_BC62E6EF-3282-4721-857B-565BCD48D5B3.shtml" rel="nofollow">https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.gov/election/DATA/2010/818D5A26-7936-4A79-B1B3-C8553FEE5DD5/Unofficial/00_p_059_BC62E6EF-3282-4721-857B-565BCD48D5B3.shtml</a></p>
<p>So the overall margin is 51% to 49% and largest precinct delta is 924 - LONDON TOWNE WEST, 64% to 36%, yet the Abstenee votes break %66 to %33% (~1% write in).  </p>
<p>Does anyone else smell something fishy or is this normal?</p>
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		<title>By: Just Sayin'</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91205</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Sayin'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91205</guid>
		<description>Special elections, particularly in January, are always a wild card. Damn near impossible to forecast who will show up.

Hard to see this as an upset in any event. It is a Democratic district that had only remained in Republican hands because of Ken Cuccinelli's very formidable political skills. And he only held the seat in 2007 by 100 votes against a poor Democratic candidate who ran a less than stellar campaign. He could quite easily have lost in 2007.

If any outcome could have been called an upset it would have been Hunt winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Special elections, particularly in January, are always a wild card. Damn near impossible to forecast who will show up.</p>
<p>Hard to see this as an upset in any event. It is a Democratic district that had only remained in Republican hands because of Ken Cuccinelli&#8217;s very formidable political skills. And he only held the seat in 2007 by 100 votes against a poor Democratic candidate who ran a less than stellar campaign. He could quite easily have lost in 2007.</p>
<p>If any outcome could have been called an upset it would have been Hunt winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91204</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91204</guid>
		<description>Congratulations Senator-elect Marsden!  Does he have to move his house now or can he continue living in his rented basement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Senator-elect Marsden!  Does he have to move his house now or can he continue living in his rented basement?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91202</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91202</guid>
		<description>I don't see how any special election is really an upset.  Ken barely won this in 2007, and while we did much better in November, remember that Marsden ran as if he was the republican, and his commercial made Hunt sound like the democrat.

I don't know if commercials by Hunt would have helped or not.  Northern Virginia has trended democrat, and in my mind was the only negative of Ken winning the AG race, that we would likely lose his seat.

Now Marsden gets to be the deficit-hawk tax-cutter that he promised to be in his commercials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how any special election is really an upset.  Ken barely won this in 2007, and while we did much better in November, remember that Marsden ran as if he was the republican, and his commercial made Hunt sound like the democrat.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if commercials by Hunt would have helped or not.  Northern Virginia has trended democrat, and in my mind was the only negative of Ken winning the AG race, that we would likely lose his seat.</p>
<p>Now Marsden gets to be the deficit-hawk tax-cutter that he promised to be in his commercials.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Tyler Ballance</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91201</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Tyler Ballance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91201</guid>
		<description>What a GREAT inauguration present for McDonnell (-1) in the Senate!

Even better news for Virginians is that Democrats have the votes to block every chicken-shit attempt McDonnell makes to put TOLLS on our roads or sell off the operating rights to the Port of Virginia to the his multinational corporate backers.

Perhaps less noticed was the Eighth District, where the Republican, Jeff McWaters, a former health insurance gatekeeper who has spent about a million dollars on this race and the primary, only got 8,051 voters to show up, in a District that typically saw 15,000 voters, even when the Republican was unopposed.

Democrat, Dr. Bill Fleming, declared his candidacy the day before the filing deadline and in just two weeks was able to mobilize a respectable 2, 184 voters to come out on a cold January day and vote for him. 

Bill Fleming has reawakened the Virginia Beach Democrats. The Eighth District will not likely be described as, " safe for Republicans" in the next regular elections.

Virginians owe a debt of gratitude to all of the candidates. It takes a great deal to run for office these days. I encourage Republicans and Democrats to nag the crap out of their Delegates and Senators to pass the following comprehensive campaign finance reforms (feel free to cut and paste into your own emails to your Reps)

If we want the voices of the citizens of each district to again be heard by elected officials, we must take the following steps:

1. Restrict contributions to come only from citizens whose PRIMARY residence is within the district. This simple, yet dramatic revision, would amplify the voices of the citizens who reside in the respective districts, and restore the representative relationship between our elected officials and the citizens who reside in their areas of representation.

2. Eliminate PAC contributions.

3. Eliminate corporate contributions. Corporations are profit-making entities whose by-laws mandate that they expend money only with the expectation of a return on that investment. Corporations, in spite of their public relations propaganda exist only to make money and are not, “corporate citizens.” Only People are citizens.

4. Cap the amount of contributions to the federal limit for an individual contribution.

Write to your Delegate and Senator and tell them that campaign finance reform will dramatically reduce corruption and will enhance the ability of the individual citizen to be heard. If they do not support reform, then work for a candidate in the next election who pledges to enact campaign finance reforms as enumerated above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a GREAT inauguration present for McDonnell (-1) in the Senate!</p>
<p>Even better news for Virginians is that Democrats have the votes to block every chicken-shit attempt McDonnell makes to put TOLLS on our roads or sell off the operating rights to the Port of Virginia to the his multinational corporate backers.</p>
<p>Perhaps less noticed was the Eighth District, where the Republican, Jeff McWaters, a former health insurance gatekeeper who has spent about a million dollars on this race and the primary, only got 8,051 voters to show up, in a District that typically saw 15,000 voters, even when the Republican was unopposed.</p>
<p>Democrat, Dr. Bill Fleming, declared his candidacy the day before the filing deadline and in just two weeks was able to mobilize a respectable 2, 184 voters to come out on a cold January day and vote for him. </p>
<p>Bill Fleming has reawakened the Virginia Beach Democrats. The Eighth District will not likely be described as, &#8221; safe for Republicans&#8221; in the next regular elections.</p>
<p>Virginians owe a debt of gratitude to all of the candidates. It takes a great deal to run for office these days. I encourage Republicans and Democrats to nag the crap out of their Delegates and Senators to pass the following comprehensive campaign finance reforms (feel free to cut and paste into your own emails to your Reps)</p>
<p>If we want the voices of the citizens of each district to again be heard by elected officials, we must take the following steps:</p>
<p>1. Restrict contributions to come only from citizens whose PRIMARY residence is within the district. This simple, yet dramatic revision, would amplify the voices of the citizens who reside in the respective districts, and restore the representative relationship between our elected officials and the citizens who reside in their areas of representation.</p>
<p>2. Eliminate PAC contributions.</p>
<p>3. Eliminate corporate contributions. Corporations are profit-making entities whose by-laws mandate that they expend money only with the expectation of a return on that investment. Corporations, in spite of their public relations propaganda exist only to make money and are not, “corporate citizens.” Only People are citizens.</p>
<p>4. Cap the amount of contributions to the federal limit for an individual contribution.</p>
<p>Write to your Delegate and Senator and tell them that campaign finance reform will dramatically reduce corruption and will enhance the ability of the individual citizen to be heard. If they do not support reform, then work for a candidate in the next election who pledges to enact campaign finance reforms as enumerated above.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Santee</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91200</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Santee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91200</guid>
		<description>It looks like the absentee ballots were the big difference ... a 400+ vote delta there in a race decided by fewer votes than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the absentee ballots were the big difference &#8230; a 400+ vote delta there in a race decided by fewer votes than that.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91199</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what made this an upset?   Cuccinelli durn near lost this one the last time he ran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what made this an upset?   Cuccinelli durn near lost this one the last time he ran.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnarly</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/01/12/marsden-upsets-in-37th-district/#comment-91198</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnarly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean they have to find couches of donors for the rest of his family now?

The one thing that bothers me about these returns is the lopsided absentee ballot vote.....hmmmm....wonder what happened there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean they have to find couches of donors for the rest of his family now?</p>
<p>The one thing that bothers me about these returns is the lopsided absentee ballot vote&#8230;..hmmmm&#8230;.wonder what happened there?</p>
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