I also enjoy a good discussion. Frankly, Federal law enforcement isn’t really in the business of actively investigating civil violations. It’s simply a matter of scale. When you prioritize the things we have to worry about these days, folks running around without documents who are not otherwise breaking any laws (criminal offenses) just aren’t a priority. While you think they are important (and I’m not arguing with your priorities), as a matter of policy Federal (as well as State and Local) law enforcement are focused on crimes that pose a safety or security risk to the public. If its a choice of a terrorist who might be planning a dirty bomb attack on down town Washington or an undocumented otherwise law abiding person… the Feds are going after the terrorist. Ironically, many terrorists are often here with documents (visas). Whom would you prefer we chase… the documented terrorist or the undocumented day laborer?

287g is “Settled law” so I’m comfortable with it. When someone is apprehended for suspicion of committing a criminal offense, it is considered reasonable to investigate their background and residency status.

I’m not saying you are wrong to care Juares’ status, I’m just saying that as a matter of policy law enforcement “doesn’t”. The opportunity cost of processing such an individual relative to the other opportunities to apply the same resources to more serious crimes is just too high to fool with him.

I got your point but why debate the ludicrous or the mundane? DOJ may be responsible but they have violated their oath just as GW Bush did in the case of illegal’s; to support, defend and uphold the laws of the United States. It is convenient to ignore laws when it seems the thing to do for some reason or other. I stopped supporting Bush when he made the direct statement that he was not going to enforce the law he swore to uphold. I wish I could have that same choice on some laws! Either we are nation of laws or we are not. Picking and choosing is certainly not an answer, it’s a violation. Then again, we cannot fight the masters until election time or wait years for some judicial decision.

I enjoy a good discussion and I am willing to consider all points. As for the 4th Amendment, under “probable cause” search or seizure can be applied. If Juarez admitted he is illegal that certainly fits the affirmation portion. You and I are not subject to such question since there is no probable cause and the government is (supposedly) forbidden to ask without proper foundation. It has been argued that the 287g program violates the fourth amendment “search and seizure” in regards to alien status, thus far unsuccessfully.

You miss my point re Greg or your legal status; however, since you missed it twice I won’t try to explain it a third time. I am a big fan of 287g and removing criminals off the street. Other than that, we have bigger problems than chasing folks who lack documents. There’s a war on and bad people want to hurt us in really destructive ways. I’d rather chase them.

Questioning mine or Greg’s legal status was never the question, just your way of deflecting off the issue by creating a smoke screen. I understand that you like being the spoiler and showing off your brilliant intellect to such underlings such as myself but I also understand your concerted deflection from the real fact - he admitted being an illegal to a newspaper. Now if that story is false and you can prove that before worrying about my legal status then I will listen to you.

The civil penalty for being illegal is true but I believe his credibility is now called to question no matter whether civil or criminal penalty. No one called for his immediate arrest but if he engages in any criminal activity, now his alien status would certainly be an issue. This guy calls for legalization of all illegal’s. If they are already protected under the entire Constitution, then why worry about their status? Let’s just open the borders, take down the flag and welcome everyone including the terrorist. Well, I guess we have already started down that path. Is this not what you purport?

The Constitution has been bastardized six ways to Sunday and trampled on by nearly every Congress. This is of course my opinion and it seems to be shared by a lot of us dummies. I carry a copy of the Constitution with me (Yes, I can read too). It makes a pretty good read but they don’t teach the Constitution much any more in schools. Progressives think it is a living document to be twisted and turned to fit what they want or are afraid to support - can’t offend anyone nowadays. I guess you can keep your interpretation and I’ll keep mine.

Since you clearly don’t understand the 4th amendment issue, let me explain. All persons within our borders are protected by the Constitution. That includes terrorists and other really bad people. This is a problem for DOJ. Ironically, one of the safest places for a terrorist to be in the world is in the United States. We can’t touch them without cause. When a person commits a crime, we may then check his or her status. Once we determine that a person is here illegally, we may then begin civil proceedings (for that violation) in addition for criminal proceedings for other crimes as appropriate. Note that the first offense is a civil matter, not a “crime” as often referred to here and elsewhere by folks who really don’t understand the law.

Greg is a third degree source for the information you mention. I really don’t know Ricardo Juarez or where he fits in your drama; however, I see nothing that is a foundation for law enforcement to act (no more than my comment about you or Greg would be reason to actually investigate your status). That’s just my opinion; however, it’s an informed opinion. Law enforcement can’t go chasing every third degree lead it gets when there are really bad people trying to blow up things in our major cities.

Actually, Conservatives are very scrupulous about complying and enforcing the rights and privileges contained in the Constitution. I’m one of those. Progressives ignore the Constitution (or consider it more of a “guideline”). The third group (that would be people like you) do what suits your argument.

“I could easily make the statement that you are an illegal immigrant. If you like our Constitution (especially the 4th amendment), you would understand that isn’t enough reason to act.”

What does the 4th Amendment have to do with this comment? If a person admits they are speeding, the issue is moot. If a person admits they are illegally in this country, the issue is moot. The first is a speeder subject to penalty, the second, as you seem elude to is welcome and free as any citizen with all rights (protections) of the Constitution. Does that include the right to vote? Greg never said he was illegally here so your assumption is without foundation, without proof, a scurrilous inuendo. According to the Constitution, he is not required to furnish such proof to any claimant such as you.
Only progressives use such flimsy and ridiculous arguments. It is progressive thinking that still continues to rewrite history, ignore the Constitution as it was designed, a contract between the people and the government THEY empower, not the other way around which seems to be the current trend.

Greg only used what was admitted by the offender. Stick to the facts since it came from the horse’s mouth.

How dare you smear my main man Richardo that I find to be irresistible especially when he makes me Tacos de Pescado naked.

Nancy

utterly hilarious! yep, probably down on coverstone or route-1 and parkway drinking brew and flashing themselves at teen-age girls as usual like the dirt-bags they are. That brings to mind the time when one of them was so drunk his buddies taped him to a tree to keep from falling down. I drove by route-1 and parkway one day and saw a bunch of them lined up urinating on the side of the store, essentially using the store as their own personal urinal. I cant believe people actually support these vermin! they act worse than vagrant dogs or something.

where is that hispanic machismo? I see none of that here! Just a bunch of girly-men

No say, Senor! They must be at the 7-11 drinking a carona or dos xx or two while waiting for the lawn service pickups to arrive.

Its the muslims you gotta worry about next. They are having the babies, and some catholics maybe.

Janet said on 23 Jan 2010 at 7:17 pm: Flag comment

The Muslims are having catholics! That IS news… thanks for the tip.

Looks like replacement forgot to take his/her medication today. Real classy statement which indicates a sub average IQ.

http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/articles/2007/20070827154739.aspx