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SOTU Open Thread

By Greg L | 27 January 2010 | National Politics | 34 Comments

Great response by Governor McDonnell tonight, and I appreciated the (unintentional) laugh lines of the President in the SOTU speech tonight.  Your thoughts?



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34 Comments

  1. Kevin C said on 27 Jan 2010 at 11:29 pm:
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    WASHINGTON – A day after delivering a State of the Union address…Obama intends to award $8 billion in stimulus funds to develop high-speed rail corridors and sell the program as a jobs creator.

    Hey, HERE’S an idea!

    Let’s try THIS!

    If IT doesn’t work, we’ll TRY something else!

    Seriously now, is Obama the ONLY one who doesn’t know that you can’t run a government by TRIAL and ERROR?

  2. michael said on 28 Jan 2010 at 1:16 am:
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    Actually, his intellect really shines through in his speeches and I believe in his personal beliefs, and like so many other republicans turned independants. I thought it was a fantastic speech.

    Its a shame both republicans and democrats are the ones that are so stupid in congress today. I predict that if the republicans continue to hold everyone hostage to a 60 vote supermajority to make progress on health care, jobs, and refuse to punish the greedy and self serving interests in America, and continue to allow illegal aliens to cross our borders and steal our jobs while they are the ones most benefitting from the economic recovery act (hmm 2 million americans helped, while 15 million people are illegal….wonder who is really getting that 1 trillion dollar deficit without paying taxes on it? Greedy business owners wanting cheap illegal labor at the cost of losing jobs for the middle class (for this you can blame lobbyists and super greedy companies looking out only for thier own interests and buying off congressional votes (yeah slam the Supreme court on thier stupid stupid political decision), then come November, independants like me are going to clean house and senate of old republican religious fanatic diehards, as shockingly as Japan removed 75% of its congress in one single vote of the people’s voice. Politicians you better start listening up, and do what Obama is telling you to do, take care of the average citizen, not your own greedy self interests

  3. Greg L said on 28 Jan 2010 at 1:28 am:
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    “His intellect shines through…”

    Yep, I’ll agree with that.

  4. Kevin C said on 28 Jan 2010 at 5:03 am:
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    Slightly off topic:

    What a RIOT !!!

    I mean what an ABSOLUTE, UNBELIEVABLE RIOT !!!

    HOW ridiculous are Democrats?

    Not long ago, John Edwards was PRETENDING he was presidential material.

    After today, even Tiger Woods will be saying, “I’m GLAD I’m not John Edwards!”

    This HYPOCRITE, this ADULTERER, this STONE COLD LOW DOWN CREEP, denying a child he knew ALL ALONG was his, is about to hit ROCK BOTTOM to the 10th power !!!

    Are you ready for THIS?

    He made a freakin’ SEX TAPE with his girlfriend !!!

    And he wanted to be PRESIDENT?

    Democrats, don’t ya just LOVE ‘em?

  5. Austin said on 28 Jan 2010 at 8:40 am:
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    The President sure can give a great speech! Of course, he can also give great deficets, unemployment, and unfulfilled promises!

  6. george said on 28 Jan 2010 at 8:51 am:
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    His intellect shines through? Come on, you can’t be serious.

    That is a teleprompter speaking.

    If you want to see his intellect shine - listen to him speak off the cuff.

    He is a stuttering, bumbling moron.

    He does have a stunning grasp on the Austrian language, though. I will give him that.

  7. Just Sayin' said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:23 am:
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    Those with strong partisan inclinations are pretty predictable in how they view the speech. What is more informative are the instant poll numbers immediately after the speech. Apparently real people received the speech very positively. That is much more informative than the comments of hyper partisans on either side.

    Kevin C, while I agree that Edwards is a sleaze of great magnitude, you should be careful using his sexual peccadilloes as an indictment of Democrats. Thankfully Edwards no longer holds office. But there are two sitting Republican Senators who should have resigned long ago but who remain in office bringing shame and discredit on both this country and the Republican Party. I speak, of course, of John Ensign and “Diaper” Dave Vitter.

    Ensign not only broke a major regular guy rule by banging the wife of a close friend, he also used money donated by regular Republicans to the NRSC to hire her 19 year old son as a “political consultant” at the NRSC while he was banging her. Since my in-laws were consistent donors during that time I truly resent that slap in their face.

    It is also pretty clear that he violated federal law regarding lobbying by former staff of their former bosses in his efforts to cover the whole thing up after the fact. And then their is the matter of his parents paying almost one hundred grand in hush money to the former mistress and her husband.

    Vitter also is a law breaker. Paying prostitutes for sex is illegal in the District of Columbia. That’s what he did. I guess that’s okay if you are a United States Senator. The fact that he pays prostitutes to put diapers on him makes in a bit weirder. But the issue is the lawbreaking not his odd sexual proclivities.

    Both Vitter and his wife mouthed off loudly and incessantly about Bill Clinton’s sexual indiscretions during the 1990s. They called for his resignation over and over again long before Clinton lied under oath. They said he should resign because of the sex.

    Republicans should be the ones clamoring for these two to resign. The silence speaks volumes about the party. Until Republicans clean up their own house they need to keep their mouths shut about the failings of anyone else. They prove by their actions and what they tolerate among their own that they are worse than the Democrats they criticize.

    In matters of marital fidelity and lawbreaking, just as in matters of fiscal responsibility, Republicans seem to be the party of say one thing and do the opposite. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

    Unless that changes it may be a cold day in hell before Republicans regain a majority. People can spot bullshit artists a mile away.

    At the very least I wouldn’t get too gleeful about Edwards situation. Not while the Republicans are living in a glass house.

  8. Citizen12 said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:27 am:
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    Governor McDonnell did a great job of delivering the message loud and clear.

    The President confirmed his priorities continue to be misplaced as I think most Americans understand that the road to economic recovery is not paved with the reinvention of the health care system.

    By placing the fault of the economic disaster on the actions of past administrations the President missed his golden opportunity to secure the confidence of the American people.

    What he should have done is placed the blame squarely upon many of those sitting in that room that have held office for more than 1 year. They and their predecessors are the ones who have spent this country into a hole serving their own special interests, all the while ignoring their sworn duties of management and oversight.

    Thats my story and I’m sticking to it.

  9. Advocator said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:39 am:
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    Michael makes good points. Both parties and the whole system are corrupt. But you say a clean sweep will make things better. To paraphrase that classic Bill Murray film, who ya gonna elect? More Dimocrats and RINO’s? We need more than a “clean sweep.” We need a streetsweeper. And I’m not talking vehicles.

  10. Big Dog said on 28 Jan 2010 at 11:12 am:
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    Hopefully Gov. McDonnell is not going to sign off on Kaine’s
    plan to steal millions of dollars from the children of
    Northern Virginia through a freeze on the regular scheduled reset
    of the Local Composite Index. Right now it appears
    Manassas City schools will be shorted over 3 million and
    PWC 22 million. Outrage has been expressed by Fairfax
    (down 60M) and Loudoun (down 30M) representatives
    in Richmond, but nothing from our delegation - zip.

    You out there Jackson, Bob and Chuck?

  11. Big Dog said on 28 Jan 2010 at 11:36 am:
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    It is time for the delegates from this area to stop
    tossing bromides and striking poses and start fighting
    for the children of our community.

    Will they?

  12. Cynic said on 28 Jan 2010 at 12:08 pm:
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    michael,

    On the illegals - Remember that the President wants to give them amnesty!

    No doubt the illegals that were in gangs like MS-13 will be recruited for positions with ACORN.

    Change we can believe in.

  13. JM said on 28 Jan 2010 at 12:41 pm:
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    Obama’s used his favorite word often in last night’s speech. During the course of a 70 minute speech, The One used “I” 96 times, and me/my 18 times, thus referencing himself 114 times, or every 36 seconds on average. Kinda shows you who his number one priority is.

    Loved the shot of Harry Reid yawning and nearly falling alseep. His poll numbers are inthe toilet, and he stands almost no chance of re-election. Perhaps he feels he no longer needs to pretend to care.

  14. Patty said on 28 Jan 2010 at 1:23 pm:
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    “michael said on 28 Jan 2010 at 1:16 am: Flag comment

    Actually, his intellect really shines through in his speeches and I believe in his personal beliefs, and like so many other republicans turned independants. I thought it was a fantastic speech.”

    Michael you and MS-13 have something in common. They love Obama too:

    http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2008/11/16/more-ms-13-graffiti/

  15. Kevin C said on 28 Jan 2010 at 1:35 pm:
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    Just Sayin’ said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:23 am: “They called for his resignation over and over again long before Clinton lied under oath. They said he should resign because of the sex.”

    No, I’m pretty sure EVERYONE wanted him to resign because he LIED under oath.

    The “sex” just lead to the LIE!

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    Just Sayin’ said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:23 am: “Paying prostitutes for sex is illegal in the District of Columbia.”

    As the Democrat (former) Governor of New York found out, eh?

    He LOVED to prosecute HIGH PROFILE Johns for doing the EXACT same thing HE was doing!

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    Just Sayin’ said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:23 am: “In matters of marital fidelity and lawbreaking, just as in matters of fiscal responsibility, Republicans seem to be the party of say one thing and do the opposite. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.”

    Please refer to my last response.

    You’re right!

    The, “HYPOCRISY is BREATHTAKING”

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    I say again, Democrats, don’t you just LOVE ‘em?

    *** *** *** ***

    I’m not really finished, I’ve just got to run!

  16. Johnson said on 28 Jan 2010 at 2:56 pm:
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    “Real people received the speech very positively.” Who, may I ask, are real people? Who are you to judge who is “real” or not? Another supposed “educated intellectual”, looking down upon the great unwashed, deigning to tell us what we should believe? Maybe you should explain it better. After all, we’re not “real”. Elitist.

  17. Former Officer said on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:13 pm:
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    Kevin C.

    I’m a republican so don’t think I’m supporting Edwards as I’m absolutely not. But you’re making a big issue over Edwards and his sex life as a democrat. It would also seem that no side of the coin is immune to sex scandals as we republicans have seen our fair share over the years. None are perfect.

  18. Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:30 pm:
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    Austin said on 28 Jan 2010 at 8:40 am: Flag comment

    The President sure can give a great speech! Of course, he can also give great deficets, unemployment, and unfulfilled promises!

    He sure as hell would be “lost” without his teleprompters. Ever listen to him talk without one? A 5th grader could do better!

  19. Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:38 pm:
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    Just Sayin’ on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:23 am:

    JS - Before you start casting stones…….

    Information compiled from the Washington Post, “Congressional Sex Scandals in History,” and other sources.

    10. Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

    9. Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.

    8. Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

    7. Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

    6. Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

    5. Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

    4. Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

    3. Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

    2. Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

    1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

  20. Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:46 pm:
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    Cynic said on 28 Jan 2010 at 12:08 pm: Flag comment

    michael,

    On the illegals - Remember that the President wants to give them amnesty!

    No doubt the illegals that were in gangs like MS-13 will be recruited for positions with ACORN.

    Or they can take over from the new “black panther” party and be poll watchers in Philly.

  21. Kevin C said on 28 Jan 2010 at 4:55 pm:
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    Former Officer said on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:13 pm: “…it would also seem that no side of the coin is immune to sex scandals…”

    NO doubt!

    I just thought it was a RIOT !!!

    I’m not talking about the SEX thing, I’m talking about the SEX TAPE !!!

    I mean, C’MON, he MADE a FREAKIN’ SEX TAPE !!!

    Now THAT’S a FIRST !!!

    He has SKY ROCKETED to the TOP of the TRASH HEAP !!!!!

    Not to mention the fact that this clown thought HE was PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL !!!

  22. Kevin C said on 28 Jan 2010 at 5:00 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2010 at 3:38 pm: “1. Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.”

    Don’t forget to add SWIM instructor, Chappaquiddik, Mass.

  23. military_guy said on 28 Jan 2010 at 5:15 pm:
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    Hey Barry,

    thanks for the whopping 1.4 percent raise next year…lowest since 1973! Guess you love us a whole lot…scumbag!

  24. Patty said on 28 Jan 2010 at 6:27 pm:
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    Obama quote: Just saying no to everything may be good short-term politics, but it’s not leadership.

    Saying NO to bad bills and policy is COURAGE.

  25. long time said on 28 Jan 2010 at 7:06 pm:
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    Military guy; we appreciate your valor, integrity and service! Unfortunately I have too many friends unemployed. I have a very hard time feeling sorry for any Government servant getting a “low pay raise” when they enjoy 100% job security.

    What we need is leadership from BOTH parties. Key things:

    Reduced Government payroll - the average american wage is in around 40K and the average government emnployee makes somethinhg like 60K. And we keep hiring more Feds to run the country…

    A real immigration bill holding illegal aliens AND people who employ illegal aliens accountable

    A way to tax all the illegal income/transactions; wire transfers to latin America, the barter system, and people working for cash. At least the illegal alien getting paid cash still has to pay the car tax

    A national understanding that the United States of America is not the defense force and welfare provider for the rest of the world. A slight shift back to isolationism wouldn’t be all bad

  26. Greg L said on 28 Jan 2010 at 7:49 pm:
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    All due respect, and I agree with much that you say, but as someone who donned a uniform and picked up a rifle for this country in the past your dismissal of the concerns of this member of the armed forces is a bit off base.

    Job security for him is contingent on surviving his next mission. More than any other kind of public servant, members of our armed forces risk their lives as a core function of the job they perform for us and shoulder dangers that far exceed anything anyone else is ever called to do, beyond that of police and first responders, beyond anything any other government employee ever would have to face. When they tell this guy “move out and draw fire” (essentially “go run out there and make them try to kill you so we can do something important here”) there’s no amount of pay raises that could ever compensate for that.

    Of course we could never adequately compensate these heroes for what they do for us. As a result, we can only pay them what we can afford, which isn’t much, all considered. Handing them a nearly meaningless token of appreciation like this during a time when we’re in active combat is deeply disturbing, and has no bearing on the bloated bureaucracy in Washington or the lavish pay some of these REMFs pocket.

  27. Kevin C said on 28 Jan 2010 at 8:19 pm:
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    military_guy said on 28 Jan 2010 at 5:15 pm: “Hey Barry, thanks for the whopping 1.4 percent raise next year…lowest since 1973! Guess you love us a whole lot…scumbag!”

    He must love YOU guys more than he loves seniors!

    They got NADA!

    ZERO!

    ZILCH!

    I don’t care WHAT the “bean counters” in Washington say, EVERYTHING is getting more expensive!

    Look at these BLOOD SUCKERS (Dale Service) up here in Dale City raising the (waste) water rates!

    Do you know that it costs MORE money to flush your toilet than it does to turn on the faucet, at the kitchen sink, and get a DRINK?

    And for WHAT?

    So they can add a few more CORVETTES to their collection?

  28. Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2010 at 8:53 pm:
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    And what about Chris Matthews saying after Obama’s speech, “I forgot he was black for an hour.” Saying that is just horrible. You may not support Obama, but that was way out of line!!!

  29. Greg S said on 28 Jan 2010 at 9:14 pm:
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    Reforming Immigration Could Add 8 Million Democratic Votes

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2010/01/seiu-exec-vp-reforming-immigration-could-add-8-million-democratic-votes.html

    Looks like the plan.

  30. legal2 said on 28 Jan 2010 at 10:45 pm:
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    Does anyone think that nObama can assimilate to our American culture?

  31. Advocator said on 29 Jan 2010 at 11:44 am:
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    Well said, Greg (Greg L said on 28 Jan 2010 at 7:49 pm).

  32. military_guy said on 29 Jan 2010 at 1:39 pm:
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    well thanks all for the support,

    interestingly enough there is no COLA (Cost of Living) increase this year for military retiree’s either and their likely wont be any next year. For those that believe that government should not get raises (including military) then you should pick up a weapon and hit the front lines. 1.4 is a pittance and remember, military members are ALWAYS on duty 24/7/365 so when you add it up, our pay is pretty paltry. Always nice to know that for all the people we have supporting the military these days, there are still some in the backfield who dont. So long_time when you hit the roads in your 9-5 job, I’ll still be either working or on call…24/7/365.

  33. Cynic said on 30 Jan 2010 at 12:28 pm:
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    Military_guy,

    What gets to me is that when the Marines or Soldiers defend themselves by returning fire against the enemy they run the risk of being court marshaled by armchair superiors who probably never were in combat.

    Then, of course, you have that newsman - think it was a CNN operative (filthy rat) - and the Pa. Congressman who got into act by adding their lies. Made it very difficult and very expensive for those Marines to defend themselves. Good thing that the Thomas Moore Law Center helped some of them.

    Now there a case where an army soldier - Officer, I think - is being charged for defending himself. And, as usual, the Upper Echelon is hell bent on destroying him.

    On the COL stuff - I think they compare the third quarters of the CPI. Meaning that for 2011, they will compare the 3rd. quarter of 2010 to the 3rd. quarter of 2009. If there is an increase, then there should be an increase in benefits for 2011. But, I am not well versed in this area, so there may be other factors which may have an impact on whether there is an increase in benefits.

  34. Kevin C said on 30 Jan 2010 at 2:44 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 28 Jan 2010 at 8:53 pm: “And what about Chris Matthews saying after Obama’s speech, “I forgot he was black for an hour.” Saying that is just horrible.”

    As I have said, MANY times, when political correctness TRUMPS the truth, we’re all in BIG TROUBLE!

    But then, some people don’t concern themselves with the truth anymore, it’s more fun to cause trouble for the person who was being HONEST???!!!???!!!

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