Comments on: Sanctuary For Illegal Aliens Passes Virginia Senate 40-0

By: Cynic

Cynic — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:42:51 +0000

local gop.

My comments referred to political and cultural situations and were presented in the spirit of peacefulness - not going to war.

Remember back in 1936 when a famous or infamous leader (reader’s choice) said something to this effect: Our regime is based on bayonets and blood; not hypocritical elections!

By: local gop

local gop — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:19:38 +0000

hence the statement that followed….slight exaggeration…

By: Cynic

Cynic — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 01:15:50 +0000

loco gop -

“America will blow up”

Where and when did I write that?

Rather difficult to prove something I did not write!

By: local gop

local gop — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:49:29 +0000

Prove your claim that America will blow up (slight exaggeration) unless all illegals are immediately kicked out…..because that is essentially what you are claiming with 0 proof.

By: Cynic

Cynic — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:56:34 +0000

Another week begins ……..

local gop -

What is it that you want me to prove?

That when illegals are involved - you are an appeaser and panderer who supports special rights, exemptions from crimes, and a multitude of other benefits for illegals.

By: local gop

local gop — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:21:47 +0000

Cynic,
Prove it……

By: Cynic

Cynic — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:34:27 +0000

“We will not stop illegal immigration, that is not at dispute here. What is is how to deal with illegal immigration while upholding law and order, and the pillars of a civil society. there arent enough resources to round up all illegals, try them, and deport them. The ones that are caught in the commission of a crime (aside from already being here) should be deported.

loco gop - We will not stop illegal immigration because we do not have the will to stop it. If we really wanted to stop it, we could easily stop it. Illegal immigration was brought under contol during the Eisenhower Adm.

If we are dealing with illegal immigration by allowing it and sanctioning it, then we are not upholding any laws and to consider such a state of affairs to be pillars of a civil society is beyond absurd.

What you are describing is nothing more than an Open Borders society that will eventually degenerate into anarchy with a high probability of then morphing into that Police State you fear.

I will stay with my sovereign Nation concept.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:57:15 +0000

Here is the point, local dope, and it comes with an amazing paradox. Someone with a “victim” classification feeds the immigration industry - which, while it decries local & state law enforcement enforcing immigration laws, wants local police involved to the point where an illegal alien can be, like magic, cleared of any immigration violation.

Yes, prosecute the person who injured them if that is what is appropriate but to then reward the other criminal is insanity!
http://www.jessenlaw.com/US-Immigration-U-Visa.aspx

This is favoritism. So sorry they were a victim but if I am a victim of a violent crime, what compensation do I receive from the government, ..Nothing. Other than the same right as they do to sue their perpetrator for civil damages!

The issue here is really law and order and fairness, and the lack of practice in any sort of logic to our legal system. With with this logic, all my traffic tickets should be cleared if I become a victim of another unrelated crime!

If the goal is to end or at least curtail illegal immigration one step is to grant greater, not less, authority to the local police. And less, not greater, incentives, safety nets, and services to those who seek to subvert and side step our laws. What do we have now? The increasing assurance of impunity granted in advance.

If impunity and political pandering rather than accountability govern the police, they then become a threat to society and citizens rights.

By: local gop

local gop — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:51:11 +0000

Cynic,
This is your problem, you see only two options. Open border, or closed. It is IMPOSSIBLE to close the borders and ensure 100% accountability in immigration. To think otherwise is naive.
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We will not stop illegal immigration, that is not at dispute here. What is is how to deal with illegal immigration while upholding law and order, and the pillars of a civil society. there arent enough resources to round up all illegals, try them, and deport them. The ones that are caught in the commission of a crime (aside from already being here) should be deported.
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the question at hand is whether or not a victim of a crime should have to account for their immigration status when they report the crime. i say no, and rightfully so.
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Me, liberal? hahahaha funny.

By: local gop

local gop — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:36:38 +0000

“As long, mind you, as that crime committed is not an immigration violation.”
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No sh** sherlock…..thats the point.

By: Cynic

Cynic — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:12:05 +0000

“3) “We are moving towards Third World Status with every illegal that enters the Country”–not even going to honor this right wing paranoid wack-nut drivel with a response.”

local gop - that’s because it is true.

It all comes down to whether we want to be a respected and feared to be messed with sovereign nation that protects its citizens from intruders/illegals by controlling its borders and keeping tabs on who enters our Country or do you want an Open Borders Nation which provides more benefits to illegals than to its citizens and is disrespected and laughed at by these illegals and other Nations that embrace the concept of sovereignty.

BTW, I know that you are not a RINO as you are far too liberal to be classified as such. Nor am I a conservative or liberal.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:10:43 +0000

“as the bill says, if you committ a crime then you are subject to be asked about immigration status.”

As long, mind you, as that crime committed is not an immigration violation.

Commit THAT crime and local police are the de facto SS of the open borders lobby - forced to serve, protect AND provide cover for illegal aliens.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:06:01 +0000

“Criminals are the biggest benefactors when immigrants fear the police.”

More accurate: “Illegal immigrants are the biggest benefactors when the police fear the criminals.”
http://www.cis.org/mortensen/bratton
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/feb/trooper-absolved-detaining-illegal-aliens

Illegal Aliens Steal Billions Via Tax ID #s
Tucked discreetly away in the ‘Economy’ section of the New York Times:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/illegal-aliens-steal-billions-via-tax-ids

By: local gop

local gop — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:04:20 +0000

1) what makes me a RINO. as far as you know I am not party line (and i use that term loosely) on 1 issue, so by your logic, those that are not 100% conservative under your definition are RINOs. This is the same type of exclusionary country-club politics that leads to the GOP losing elections because they weren’t ‘conservative enough’ based on a convoluted definition that appeals to all of 5% of the electorate.
2) “you favor illegal immigration”–this is about as illogical and kneejerk as the prolifers plastering those that dont agree with them as “proabortion”. News flash–no one is proabortion. Like no one is pro-illegal immigration. Yes, illegal immigration is breaking the law. Yes, it is wrong. Yes, people should be held accountable. Thats not the point and if your tunnel vision has narrowed your view so much that you cant see that, then Im sorry for you. The point isnt that illegal immigration is wrong, it is about how illegals fit into society and how best to deal with that, not a cut and dry issue at all.
3) “We are moving towards Third World Status with every illegal that enters the Country”–not even going to honor this right wing paranoid wack-nut drivel with a response.
4) “When an illegal does something that harms a Citizen, the supporters of illegals try to have the crime overlooked, downgraded, and provide free legal services for the illegal by hiring the legal services of left wing Hate Groups like the ACLU.”–Again there you go. twisting my words, as usual. as the bill says, if you committ a crime then you are subject to be asked about immigration status. so either you’re ignorant, or cant read.
5) And your rant about CA, what about that do I disagree with? i already said that ca was going down the tubes.

By: Cynic

Cynic — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:19:18 +0000

local gop - RINO -

Bottom line - you favor illegal immigration and will present anything you think will support that position and be in denial of anything that shows the damage illegals are doing to this County on a local basis, statewide basis, and national basis.

“this isnt some 3rd world country where people can be arrested for being in the country without their paperwork in order. This isnt Mexico, this isnt iraq, iran, china, or any other country. basing our laws and judicial principles on other nations, as you are trying to do, is a childish argument “well they do it so it must be ok.””

Be patient, local gop. We are moving towards Third World Status with every illegal that enters the Country. You probably can’t wait until you will be able to Press 2 for English.

Never said a thing about murder. For the record, I am oppose to murder. And, have never tried or even thought of murdering anyone. What’s your position on murder?

“well they do it so it must be ok.”

Am aware of this dichotomy. When a US Citizen opposed to illegals says or does something that offends an illegal or their supporter, it’s so terrible, mean spirited, etc. When an illegal does something that harms a Citizen, the supporters of illegals try to have the crime overlooked, downgraded, and provide free legal services for the illegal by hiring the legal services of left wing Hate Groups like the ACLU.

Facts - The fact is that Ca. is going down the tubes. Check out its bond rating. If I am not mistaken, it is the lowest - last - among the states.

By: Greg L

Greg L — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:40:57 +0000

I think what he is referring to is that they have Constitutional protections, but not Constitutional rights. They’re still able to enjoy many of the protections afforded under the Bill of Rights, but they don’t have the right to vote, the obligation to register with Selective Service, and such.

Man, you just have one heck of a hair trigger when it comes to someone not appreciating all the wonderful things illegal aliens do for us. They putting something in the water down there in Fairfax?

By: local gop

local gop — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:28:39 +0000

Cynic,
“The fact is illegals should not have US Constitutional rights”–This is exactly what I am talking about. By this statement, you would be perfectly with illegals being murdered and their killers going free because they dont have constitutional rights, as you wish. This isnt some 3rd world country where people can be arrested for being in the country without their paperwork in order. This isnt Mexico, this isnt iraq, iran, china, or any other country. basing our laws and judicial principles on other nations, as you are trying to do, is a childish argument “well they do it so it must be ok.”
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And again with regards to CA, give some facts aside from grandeous statements. and the subsidization of property didnt have anything to do with loans to illegals. perhaps you are just unfamiliar with what exactly subsidizing property means. the ca government bought property in so cal and built houses on them to speed up development. then no one bought it because the bubble burst. like i said, nothing to do with illegals.
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and the ramifications i am talking about are simple. first, you claim that illegals have no rights, kind of like jews in nazi germany. maybe we can have a “round up the illegals day.” then we will start secret police squads solely to find and capture illegals. they roam the community, stopping everyone and demanding ID and papers. This can, in some areas, lead to a police state. that is what i am talking about. while you may not mind that, i do. it may be ok in mexico, but it is unacceptable in America

By: Cynic

Cynic — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:03:59 +0000

“The fact that they are technically committing a crime by being in the country isnt justification for violating major pillars of the criminal justice system that could have ramifications far more serious than we can imagine.”

local gop - just what is it that we can not imagine? Talk about grasping at straws. The fact is illegals should not have US Constitutional rights. South of the Border, how many countries grant US Citizens constitutional rights if they enter that country illegally and then are arrested for being there illegally?

And, all those emergency room hospital costs, educational costs (like translators, etc.), government grants to La Raza and other Orgs. (pandering to illegals) for projects that only benefit illegals (which they do not merit), and the costs of their crimes. Yeah, sure that has nothing at all to do with the financial instability of California!

“it was the massive state subsidization of real estate.”

And, in liberal California, how many illegals benefited for this state subsidization and how many defaulted on their loans?

By: local gop

local gop — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:47 +0000

Anonymous,
Please actually read next time…..or brush on comprehension:
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“policies that restrict the ability of police to question the citizenship of an individual stopped for a traffic violation, or who has been detained or arrested as a suspect in a crime of any sort, is that if we permit officers to ask about citizenship, supposedly the illegal alien community will not report crimes to police for fear of deportation”
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The Virginia bill specifically states that only in cases where 1) there isnt a federal prerogative, 2) where the victim isnt themselves a suspect or witness, and 3) the victim has committed a separate crime, will the victim not be questioned. Basically, if you can understand simple english, those stopped for a traffic violation, detained or arrested as a suspect CAN BE ASKED ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS.
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Another thought. If police were allowed to question anyone (regardless of whether or not a crime is committed) they want about immigration status, then why not set up immigration checkpoints in police stations, road blocks, walk around grocery stores and demand paper work? Of course all this would be done under the guise of “enforcing the laws” but so did the SS troops in Germany before WW2, they were just enforcing laws to detain Jews (scary isnt it?)
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If an illegal is legitimately caught committing a crime, regardless of how petty, then yes, they should then be subjected to deportation. The fact that they are technically committing a crime by being in the country isnt justification for violating major pillars of the criminal justice system that could have ramifications far more serious than we can imagine.

By: local gop

local gop — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:36:49 +0000

the population of a city does not make it more or less of a city. you said that there were a lot of sanctuary cities…there arent. Yes, they may be big cities, but there are none the less a handful of big cities. and if you even remotely knew what you were talking about with california, you would know that illegals have nothing remotely to do with their budget problems….it was the massive state subsidization of real estate.
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I know its easy for you, but believe it or not blaming 13 million illegals (give or take) for all the problems in america is really idiotic and only goes to show that you are grasping at straws.