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Bob Marshall On Fox News

By Greg L | 14 February 2010 | National Politics, 13th HOD District, Virginia Politics | 42 Comments

Nice to see delegate Bob Marshall get some national coverage on HB 10 on Fox News the other day. If Bob manages to inspire some other states to follow suit on this, the idea that the federal government can compel you to buy health insurance under penalty of fines and jail is going to die pretty quickly.

UPDATE: In the comments section an employee of the Democratic Party of Virginia slams Christians as members of the “Religious Reich.”  This should be an interesting thread.



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42 Comments

  1. J. Tyler Ballance said on 14 Feb 2010 at 9:11 pm:
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    Although I am working for Democrats now, I have always admired Bob Marshall’s penchant for finding creative responses to issues of the day. If every Virginia Senator and Delegate approached their jobs with the dedication and artistry exercised by Senator Marshall, Virginians would be much better served and most likely, enjoy much greater liberty and prosperity.

    I hope that Bob Marshall will soon turn his attention to job creation, rebuilding our manufacturing base and energy independence, and that he will no longer be side-tracked on social engineering issues that have, in the recent past, emerged from the religious Reich.

    Let’s focus on LIBERTY, Justice and prosperity, for ALL Virginians, as we move forward in 2010 and beyond.

  2. Citizen12 said on 14 Feb 2010 at 10:52 pm:
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    Not content to refer to those who disagree with them as the “Religious Right” or “Christian Right”, some moonbats demonize their adversaries further by referring to them as the “Religious Reich”.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Religious%20Reich

  3. Greg L said on 14 Feb 2010 at 10:59 pm:
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    Interesting. So someone working for the DPVA is now slamming bible-believing Christians as “the religious reich.”

    That’s really going to allay concerns held by some that the Democratic Party is hostile to Christianity. Really.

  4. local gop said on 15 Feb 2010 at 12:55 am:
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    “That’s really going to allay concerns held by some that the Democratic Party is hostile to Christianity. Really.”
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    Doubtful….because it seems that they are hostile to Christians who are hostile to everyone else….big difference there.
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    But I guess that makes me a liberal….

  5. STEVE WATERS said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:08 am:
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    All I have to say is “GO BOB GO”!!!!!!!

  6. Unballance? said on 15 Feb 2010 at 6:48 am:
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    Let’s step back for a moment. The issue is that the federal government, which is granted very limited and very specific powers under the constitution, is attempting to grab a brand new, unauthorized power - the power to force citizens to purchase a product (health insurance). Elected officials in the Commonwealth of Virginia attempt to say, “well, no, we won’t allow you to do that to the good citizens of our state and, under the constitution, we have that right.”

    I ask you, what kind of logic and reasoning could look at this situation and conclude that it has anything to do with Christians (or any religion for that matter)? How does ceding this new power to the feds promote liberty? Or justice? Or prosperity?

    Looks a lot more like pure hatred to me.

  7. DPortM said on 15 Feb 2010 at 8:21 am:
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    @ local gop (if you are a “liberal” then I suggest you choose a different moniker)

    Please provide specific examples how “Christians are hostile to everyone else…”

  8. Just Sayin' said on 15 Feb 2010 at 8:41 am:
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    I certainly would not choose to use rhetoric like “Religious Reich”. Particularly if I were employed by a political party. But in fairness, I think it is a bit of a stretch to interpret this as an attack on Christians in general.

    Many of us who are Christians certainly don’t feel we have too much in common with the people we most regularly see on TV holding themselves up to be representatives of Christianity. And we sometimes wonder if Jesus Christ himself would recognize some of them as followers of his teachings.

    I don’t condone the intemperate rhetoric. But I think it is pretty clear who was being attacked. And it was not the entire body of Christians.

    To get back on the topic of the thread. This bill is largely meaningless and Bob Marshall knows it. He is a very smart guy. It is all about political posturing and not at all about substance.

    This bill will not supercede federal law. Period. I know there is an element in the body politic that wants to pretend that the questions of state nullification of federal law and of secession from the union are open questions. They were settled about a century and a half ago at a cost of more than 600,000 dead. Good luck trying to relitigate those issues.

    If you don’t like the health care bill, stop it in the Congress. Don’t waste valuable legislative time on nonsense bills that are unenforceable. The time should be spent on budget and transportation issues.

  9. G Man said on 15 Feb 2010 at 9:33 am:
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    Just Sayin’ - the Civil War didn’t cede all power to the Federal Goverment. We are still protected by the Constitution. Virginia Attorney General states: “It is the states that were expected to control the federal government, that’s why Madison said that the “different governments will control each other” in Federalist 51. The “different governments” are the state and federal governments. It’s part of our constitutional role as a state.” He also disagrees with you that it is “a waste of valuable legislative time” to make this law. He says: “It has long been apparent that people are frustrated with government, but many people didn’t think they could do something about controlling such a behemoth. Now people are figuring out the way to stop abuses of power which seem to be crippling our economy and eating away our liberty, is by using the Constitution against those who violate it.

    You can read Ken Cuccinelli’s full Op Ed at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/Ken-Cuccinelli-Founders-would-cheer-Virginias-anti-Obamacare-bill-84053887.html

  10. Jeff Hunter said on 15 Feb 2010 at 9:35 am:
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    J. Tyler Ballance . . . as a zealous stormtropper in the “religious Reich” I only ask one thing of you . . . please keep it up. Continue turning off middle America with your snarky comments and sanctimonious attitudes towards simple folk of good Faith. Continue to call us “Teabaggers”, shake your head and roll your eyes whenever you see us cling to God and our guns. (To everyone in the TEA Party, NRA, and Religious Right: I know those are all separate groups with distinct agendas, but you know the Left . . . we all look alike to them).

    It’s interesting that you admire the way Bob Marshall “for finding creative responses to issues of the day” and his “dedication and artistry” but you can’t tolerate his Faith and moral convictions. Perhaps what you’re missing is that what you admire in Bob Marshall comes out of what you despise about him. Careful what you wish for . . . that every Virginia legislator were more like him . . . it may just come true sooner than you think.

  11. g.stone said on 15 Feb 2010 at 11:15 am:
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    Way to go Bob Marshall ! A Statesman, Patriot and a man who has actually read the Constitution.

  12. J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm:
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    All that I am saying is that, we will all benefit if men with the talent and creativity of Bob Marshall turn their energy toward solving problems related to jobs, energy and restoring our manufacturing base, rather than having their talents side-tracked on various social engineering issues; and yes, so many of those side-shows do emerge from the religious fanatics who think government has the right to dictate our personal lives at every level.

    Rather than focus on social issues that are sure to polarize the citizens and solve nothing, what I am urging is that good men from all parts of the political spectrum focus on the real problems that we all face.

    By the way, I encourage tea-baggers and adherents of the Religious Reich to participate in their local Democratic Committee. Keep in mind that successful politics requires that we build multi-faceted coalitions. While on the one hand, a religious activist may dislike a Democratic policy on gays, they may like the commitment to social justice, jobs and personal liberty. A Tea-bagger (I know you love that name) can support Democrats because the Democrats are the only group stopping and rolling back the Bush regime’s usurpations of our civil liberties. If a Tea-bagger wants a government who doesn’t torture prisoners, render them to foreign countries to be tortured or murdered, or to stop having our own citizens jailed without charges or trial, then the Democratic Party is your best, and for now, only option to preserve a semblance of our liberty.

    If you want a Gestapo-style DOJ that imprisons and tortures, then the Republicans are the Party for you. If you want to fight for a return of our freedoms, then for now, the Democratic Party is your best vehicle to make those reforms. Sure there are some issues that the National Democrats support that, we here in Virginia will be tepid about, like the lousy, grossly over-priced, health care bill, but still, the Democrats are our best bet to return to freedom and prosperity.

    By the way, “…working for Democrats…” does not imply that I am an employee. As always, I will work for candidates who I see will do the most to restore our liberty. Right now, Democrats are the only Party that is working toward that end, while the Republicans (with a few exceptions) seem Hell-bent to sell our every state and national asset to multinational corporations, while denying the citizens of every basic form of liberty.

    Each of you are entitled to different opinions, but I urge that we all unite to work together on issues that serve the common good. With good, conscientious men like Bob Marshall (and Democratic Senators, such as John Miller) focused on jobs, energy independence and rebuilding our manufacturing, Virginia will soon be back on the road to prosperity.

  13. Kevin C said on 15 Feb 2010 at 3:07 pm:
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    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm: “By the way, I encourage tea-baggers and adherents of the Religious Reich to participate in their local Democratic Committee.”

    Confucious: “No one listens when you PROVE, with your own words, you are a HOPELESS, HAPLESS FOOL!!!!!”

    On second thought that wasn’t Confucious, that was ME !!!!!

  14. Just Sayin' said on 15 Feb 2010 at 4:03 pm:
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    I’ve already expressed my opinion about the use of the term Religious Reich. But enough with all the feigned outrage about the use of the term “teabagger”.

    There is ample public record to support the fact that the tea people referred to themselves as teabaggers well before others did. So please stop with the faux indignation over that.

  15. local gop said on 15 Feb 2010 at 4:14 pm:
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    “Please provide specific examples how ‘Christians are hostile to everyone else…’”
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    Its interesting that you misquoted me. Either you made a mistake on typing out my quotation, or you copied and pasted it then edited it to make it seem worse than it is.
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    What I actually said: “Christians who are hostile to everyone else.”
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    Let me spell it out for you….not all Christians are hostile to everyone else. Hence the ‘who.’
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    There are many cases of policies and laws being advocated for and sometimes passed because it’s the ‘Christian’ thing to do. Now, you can say that it’s not ‘Christian’ its moral, or ethical; 6 to 1, half a dozen the other frankly. Examples: abortion bans, IVF bans, gay marriage bans, and any other social issue.
    ******
    It’s nothing short of hypocritical when conservatives scream about small government when they have no problem with restricting social freedoms of others through that big government that they claim to be opposed to.
    ******
    Like the cliche saying goes: I want the democrats out of my wallet, and the Republicans out of my bedroom.
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    From a non-political standpoint look at the murder of abortion doctors, look at those wack nuts that protest soldiers funerals saying that god kills our troops. I think thats what he was referring to, not ALL Christians. There are liberal christians and denominations that allow and recognize gay marriage, so obviously not all sects have the same views, both politically not not politically.

  16. Gnarly said on 15 Feb 2010 at 4:29 pm:
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    I always find that JTB and others have this knee-jerk reaction to attack Bob Marshall on his religious beliefs. The reason for that is that there isn’t a single person in Richmond that can go toe-to-toe with Bob on debating the US Constitution, the VA Constitution, or the rules of the House of Delegates. This has been the case since the first day he stepped foot in the Assembly. So, rather then enlightening themselves, they go the easy, spineless route of personal attacks.

    Go ahead Democrats….make cheap attacks all you want, and keep trying to jam unconstitutional laws down our throats, we have Bob Marshall to school you and take it to the Supreme Court if necessary!!

  17. Jeff Hunter said on 15 Feb 2010 at 4:34 pm:
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    Just Sayin’: Yea, because those in the TEA Party movement knew exactly what “teabagging” meant to the sniggering crowd of leftists when they used the term, and now that it’s out there they’ve continued to use the term to refer to themselves. There’s nothing “faux” about the Left’s continuous attempts to use slander and obfuscation rather than debate the issues on the merits.

    J. Tyler Ballance: “As always, I will work for candidates who I see will do the most to restore our liberty. Right now, Democrats are the only Party that is working toward that end…” . . . Really?! You’re going to leave that out there with straight face? Are these the same Democrats who are pushing Single Payer Healthcare along with no religious or conscience exemptions for procedures health care workers find morally objectionable, Cap and Trade that raises utility rates through the roof for businesses and individuals at all income levels, and Card Check that eliminates a worker’s right to secret ballots? Really?

  18. J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 5:07 pm:
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    Gnarly: I helped with Bob’s campaign against Jim Gilmore… so spare us YOUR knee-jerk attacks.

    Why not examine what i actually wrote about: Let’s examine ways Virginians can work together on jobs, energy, and restoring our manufacturing base, rather than be led down the path with distractions over contrived social issue controversies.

  19. Kevin C said on 15 Feb 2010 at 5:38 pm:
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    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 5:07 pm: “Let’s examine ways Virginians can work together…”

    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm: “By the way, I encourage tea-baggers and adherents of the Religious Reich to participate in their local Democratic Committee.”

    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 5:07 pm: “Let’s examine ways Virginians can work together…”

    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm: “If you want a Gestapo-style DOJ that imprisons and tortures, then the Republicans are the Party for you.”

    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm: “…I urge that we all unite to work together on issues that serve the common good.”

    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm: “…Republicans (with a few exceptions) seem Hell-bent to sell our every state and national asset to multinational corporations…”

    J. Tyler Ballance, there is something very, VERY seriously wrong with you !!!!!

    SERIOUSLY, you NEED mental help if you can’t follow what you, yourself, are “writing !!!!!”

    You’re like, “Let’s all PLAY NICE while I sit here and CALL YOU NAMES and ATTACK YOU.”

    GET HELP !!!!!

  20. local gop said on 15 Feb 2010 at 6:09 pm:
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    It’s termed passive aggressive…..sleazy frankly. dont come to the gop under the guise of wanting to work together then throw attacks in the process.

  21. Disgusted said on 15 Feb 2010 at 6:43 pm:
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    I watched Mr. Marshall debated the bill last week when we were snowed in. The delegate from Henrico, the disbarred Mr. Morrissey (sorry if it is misspelled), was throwing all of the typical criticism at Mr. Marshall. Marshall was well prepared, quoting from the federalist papers and US Supreme Court decisions. It was a masterful defense of the state against a federal government power grab. It is a pity the HOD doesn’t publish a Congressional Record-like transcript so more people can read his cogent defense.

  22. J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:39 pm:
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    Kevin managed to use his cut and paste function on some of what was previously written, yet had nothing constructive to add. Perhaps I could have stated that we need unified effort to tackle the issues of jobs, energy and rebuilding our manufacturing base in a more cogent manner, or perhaps when some see the words Democrat, teabagger, or Religious Reich, it renders some incapable of processing any additional information.

    Hopefully smart fellows like Bob Marshall (who used to be a Democrat, by the way) will be able to turn their talents toward addressing these real problems that we face. When he does, he can depend on strong support from his Democratic colleagues.

    For those who have sent me the positive feedback via email, I appreciate your support and I remain convinced that most Virginians can and will work together when not being pulled apart by trumped-up social issues. By the way, I totally agree that the National Democrats should have left DADT alone; they proved that the Ds can sometimes be the source of unnecessary, distractions in the form of non-urgent debates on some social issues, too.

    OK, so where are the areas of common ground:

    1. Energy independence: Most Democrats will support test wells off of Virginia’s coast, but will want some strong environmental protections if we find large amounts of oil and gas. More Democrats are willing to support new power generation facilities and mining (including Uranium mining) here in Virginia. Randy Forbes has taken the lead on this at the federal level, and Randy can create a bipartisan Virginia coalition to help make energy independence a reality.

    2. Jobs: Democrats are eager to promote Virginia as a jobs friendly location. Business friendly tax structures will be received with favor by the Democrats, as long as they are drivers of job creation. Initiatives from Bill Bolling, that do not attempt to sell off operating rights to Virginia assets, like roads (to Transurban) or the Port of Virginia (to the Carlisle Group) will be supported.

    3. Democrats want the state to do more with our Congressional delegation to replace high tech businesses who have recently left (like Quimonda). Virginia will need to take a coordinated approach with federal, state and local officials doing their best to recruit and retain good quality business ventures to Virginia. We need to do more than just doubling the Governor’s slush fund. I’ll bet that Bob Marshall could take the lead on developing some great initiatives to begin rebuilding our domestic manufacturing base.

    Together, we need to find a way to create Virginia economic growth in the face of global free market pressures. Sooner or later, we have to recognize that Virginians cannot compete with slave labor in Communist China. We need a selective tariff system coupled with a favored nation (or corporation) status for entities who move manufacturing to America and to Virginia.

    Feel free to chime-in with your own constructive ideas, here or in other forums.

  23. Greg L said on 15 Feb 2010 at 11:37 pm:
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    Perhaps, when you seem to go out of your way to deeply offend others, it should come as little surprise that they’re not very interested in engaging in a conversation with you.

    “Religious Reich?” “Teabaggers?” And then you come out with an appeal for reasoned discussion?

    I’ve no interest at all in discussing anything with someone who starts a conversation by calling me a Nazi. Members of my family died fighting Hitler. People I will never know but for the stories my grandmother tells me about the warm and exuberant brother who went off to war and never came home, and whose ultimate fate remained unknown for years until Norway informed the United States that they recovered his dog tags in the wreckage of a P-51 Mustang. I could have known this man, I could have enjoyed playing with my only great uncle as a kid, but he gave his life for our country and I never got to meet him. My family, as have many others, paid a personal price to oppose Hitler’s plans and keep our country safe.

    And you call me, and others who carry deep religious convictions and have lost family members, who are informed about their faith from the Bible “the religious reich.” Appalling. Truly appalling.

    Go crawl back into that slimy filthy hole you came from, and do me the favor of not trying to engage me in a conversation dictated by your own terms of “decency” again.

  24. Gnarly said on 16 Feb 2010 at 3:43 am:
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    “J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 5:07 pm: Flag comment

    Gnarly: I helped with Bob’s campaign against Jim Gilmore…”

    You worked on a campaign of someone you have no ideological compatibility and from your comments for whom you harbor a certain amount of contempt….now you say you are employed by Democrats? Not that you had any before your comments, but in my opinion, you have NO credibility.

  25. Gnarly said on 16 Feb 2010 at 4:19 am:
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    …..and while you were helping with Bob’s campaign you never figured out he was a Delegate, not a Senator as you said in your first post?

  26. Anonymous said on 16 Feb 2010 at 7:37 am:
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    The unique thing about the Judeo-Christian tradition is that these faiths regard each individual as loved by God. This belief underpins all that is good about Western Civilization… the belief in the value of the individual.

    Naturally, this belief system is very threatening to Progressives, who believe that all rights are property of the state and collective. This is why Progressives despise Christianity and Judaism beyond other faiths.

    Obama revealed his disdain for middle America’s faith and values at a closed-door San Francisco fundraiser:

    “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest… it’s not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Liberals are masters of the technique known as projection, by which they accuse their enemies of their own worst faults The new world order 3rd Way is the 4th Reich.

    http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article.php/articleid-5597/Brannon-Howse

    http://theothermccain.com/2010/02/12/evolution-anthropogenic-global-warming-and-other-non-falsifiable-theories/

  27. Kevin C said on 16 Feb 2010 at 7:38 am:
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    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:39 pm: “Kevin managed to use his cut and paste function…yet had nothing constructive to add.”

    I “cut and paste” so there is NO DOUBT in anyone’s mind about what I am saying and to WHOM I am saying it !!!

    To you I SAY AGAIN, as I have said before, you’re very, VERY seriously MENTALLY DISTURBED !!!!

    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:39 pm: “Feel free to chime-in with your own constructive ideas…”

    Here’s a, “constructive idea !!!”

    You NEED help !!!

    I HOPE you get it before you end up like the University of Alabama professor and so many others who have been down your SAME
    path !!!!

    You have the SAME twisted mind and a VERY distorted (mental) image of yourself !!!

    It seems you’re the ONLY one on this blog who doesn’t know that you’re way, WAY OUTTA BALANCE !!!!!

    GET HELP !!!

    SOON !!!!

    BEFORE you become the next one to make the Six O’clock News !!!!!

    THAT’S about as constructive as anyone can get with you !!!

  28. Groveton said on 16 Feb 2010 at 11:35 am:
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    It’s a pity Mr. Ballance can’t contain his emotions. His points about the sale of public assets to private corporations and oil exploration are very legitimate issues in Virginia. They deserve to be discussed across party and ideological divides. Even more, the constitutional balance between the federal government and the states looks to be one of the biggest political issues in America over the next 5 - 10 years. I personally believe that the federal government has been over-reaching for the last 50 years. It’s about time to put that over-reach to the test. Frankly, I don’t care if that over-reach is tested by a Godless atheist, a born again Christian or a devout Buddhist. I just want the test to happen. I think most Americans would agree with me that he federal government has become too powerful. I think most Americans would agree that the federal government has usurped rights properly delegated to the states. The Commerce Clause hallucination was only the start. If the federal government will not submit to the US Constitution and its practical limits I believe there is some chance that the American people will take the matter into their own hands. I write not of revolution but of a new constitutional convention. The US Constitution clearly allows for two avenues to amend The Constitution. The first is an amendment put forth by Congress. The second is a decision taken by the state legislatures to meet and form a new constitution. The second avenue requires no permission or authorization from any person or organization in the federal government.

  29. Just Sayin' said on 16 Feb 2010 at 12:06 pm:
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    Groveton, be careful what you wish for. On any number of occasions pollsters have asked Americans if they would favor the repeal of the Bill of Rights (without calling it that, of course). A majority expressed that they favored eliminating our basic liberties. I don’t know if the majorities in those polls are simply poorly educated or if they are dumb as hell, but in any event it is a remarkable result.

    If you were to succeed in calling a Constitutional Convention I think you could kiss the First Amendment goodbye. It seems a great many Americans don’t understand the critical role free speech plays in ensuring liberty. Their desire to muzzle those they disagree with seems to be so great that it blinds them to the fact that they themselves might wind up in a jail cell for saying something that offends those in power. And considering the large number of Americans who seem hell bent on making some form of Christianity the state religion of the United States I think the protection to worship as one’s conscience dictates would be in grave peril at such a convention. The First Amendment wouldn’t likely survive your convention.

    Considering how many Americans flippantly refer to our protection against unreasonable searches and seizures as “technicalities to protect criminals”, I don’t imagine the Fourth Amendment stands much chance of surviving your constitutional convention either. How many times have you heard someone say something like, “If you don’t have anything to hide you shouldn’t care if the police come in and search your house.”? The Founding Fathers must spin in their graves whenever a statement of such consummate stupidity that betrays such a total lack of understanding of America and its Constitution is uttered. Kiss the Fourth Amendment goodbye at your convention.

    If you were to get your wish of a Constitutional Convention you would not be able to limit it to the few issues you might wish to address. Pandora’s box would be open. We are talking total re-write. By people who think repealing the Bill of Rights and having the government dictate and enforce one set of religious beliefs are just swell ideas whose time has come.

    No thank you.

  30. Citizen12 said on 16 Feb 2010 at 12:29 pm:
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    J. Tyler Ballance said on 15 Feb 2010 at 10:39 pm:
    3……………replace high tech businesses who have recently left (like Quimonda)

    ****************************************************************
    In your push for state and federal action in attracting and keeping jobs in Virginia you mention the loss of Qimonda, a German company who recently let go 1,500 after struggling financially for a number of years.

    Yet, you feel the loss of an air craft carrier from the Hampton Roads area to Florida, with the relocation of thousands of Navel personnel and their families, the loss of thousands of support related jobs, and the cost in millions in federal tax dollars, should not be viewed as a big deal?

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/article/QIMOGAT03_20090203-103402/196780/

    http://hrblogs.typepad.com/the_shad_plank/2010/02/virginia-state-lawmaker-blast-aircraft-carrier-move-to-florida.html

  31. Groveton said on 16 Feb 2010 at 2:12 pm:
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    Just Sayin’

    I am more optimistic than you. The Commonwealth of Virginia is on its 8th constitution. The last wholesale revision was ratified in 1970. While I certainly have problems with the amount of power centralized in Richmond, the 1970 constitution was a huge step forward by the Commonwealth.

    My understanding of the mechanics of calling a constitutional convention are as follows:

    1. 2/3 of the state legislatures must vote to call the convention.
    2. The state legislatures would appoint delegates from their states to represent them at the constitutional convention. I am not sure if there is a standard approach to making these appointments. I doubt it. However, I’d guess that most state legislatures would vote among themselves rather than demanding a popular vote.
    3. The delegates would hold their convention and debate the new constitution. I do not believe there is a mandated way to write the new constitution. However, the delegates would either come up with changes to the current constitution or they would not. Let’s assume they do.
    4. Three fourths of the state legislatures (or state constitutional conventions) must ratify the new constitution.

    As you can see, it really doesn’t matter whether the average citizen understands the Bill of Rights or not. The constitutional convention will no more be populated by average citizens than the original constitutional convention was populated by ordinary (or average) citizens.

    There are clearly risks to allowing our state legislatures (or, more accurately, their designees) to change the US Constitution. However, I see the bigger risk being the continuance of federal over-reach. It is obvious to me that the federal government will continue to ignore the letter and the spirit of the US Constitution in their zeal to centralize all power in their own hands.

    The lesser of two evils may be clearly amending the US Constitution to put the federal government back into the governance space intended by the founding fathers.

  32. local gop said on 16 Feb 2010 at 4:08 pm:
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    Groveton,
    You hit on an excellent point that is all too often overlooked, the centralized power in Richmond that screws over local governments (IE NOVA). Its absurd that the Fairfax County Board has to go to richmond to ammend their dog leash laws and similar petty issues that are far more appropriate to be handled at the local level. I am a huge fan of home rule and believe that the local government should always be the chief unit of government. The general assembly refuses to give up an ounce of power over the local governments yet they complain about what the federal government does to the states. tit for tat as far as im concerned.
    *****
    I would give anything for a NOVA delegate (dont really care what party) to point this out next time Mr. Marshall (or anyone for that matter) whines about federal power over states.

  33. Groveton said on 16 Feb 2010 at 6:31 pm:
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    local gop:

    I’d like to see the whole governance structure de-centralize more. I certainly want the federal government to run the Navy but I wonder about their undue influence over things like intra-state highways. I want Richmond to run the state police but I wonder about their influence over local roads.

    The General Assembly’s love of Dillon’s Rule creates some odd behavior. The delegate representing my district was (until November) Margi Vanderhye. Ms. Vanderhye won the seat in 11/07 by emphasizing her experience in Northern Virginia. She was clear about her long standing in the the Northern Virginia community. Yet, somehow, she ended up on the Agriculture Committee. Shouldn’t agrigcultural decisions be left to areas of the state where farming actually occurs? Then, there’s this guy named Clay Athey from Front Royal. He’s popping off about how to design local roads in high density suburban neighborhoods. It’s like watching a bunch of 8th graders in the Model UN.

    When you centralize everything (as Virginia has) you get the Politburo (i.e. Richmond) trying to decide everything for everyone. Right now there is a bill in the General Assembly to address the school funding debate between the City of Charlottesville and the County of Alberarle. Shouldn’t the wizards in Richmond let local government solve local problems?

  34. local gop said on 17 Feb 2010 at 1:14 am:
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    Groveton,
    I utterly hate Richmond. I hate the GA, and the entire concept of the Dillon Rule. I’m sorry, but what the hell do farmers (southern delegates) know about mass transit, clogged interstates, high density development, the Washington COG, and all the issues NOVA faces? Nothing, thats the answer, nothing. Yet we have to get their approval for anything we do, its absurd. The local governments should be the ones handling 90% of what goes on in NOVA, not the GA.
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    It’s SO SO SO HYPOCRITICAL of delegates like Bob Marshall to go on TV and whine about the big bad federal government when he is just as guilty of big government tyranny coming from Richmond. And they wont give up an ounce of power, they are just as bad as national dems as far as I’m concerned.

  35. Groveton said on 17 Feb 2010 at 10:55 am:
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    local gop:

    It seems that the hatred of Richmond and the GA goes beyond NoVa -

    http://virginiatomorrow.com/2010/02/16/the-locals-v-the-capitals/#comments

    It’s time to dilute Dillon’s Rule in Virginia and give all localities more home rule.

  36. local gop said on 17 Feb 2010 at 3:47 pm:
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    Groveton:
    Some states are home rule states, New York and California for example. There is also a touch of geopolitics that plays into the power struggle in Virginia. Nova vs. Rova (Rest of Virginia). It’s funny actually because as underfunded and unappreciated as we are, take out Nova (my personal bias is that nova is Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Prince William, and Loudoun; sorry fburg aint nova) and all that is left is virtually identical to Arkansas.
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    This dynamic is also seen in New York, Illinois, and Nevada.
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    I am all for Nova seceding from Virginia, Tom Davis for Governor of NOVA!!

  37. local gop said on 17 Feb 2010 at 3:48 pm:
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    Now that I remember, there was a relatively serious article in the Post a while ago advocating for NOVA leaving Virginia…..i’ll post the link if I can find it.

  38. Greg L said on 17 Feb 2010 at 4:59 pm:
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    Follow California and New York as examples? Are you freakin’ kidding me???

    Why does it not surprise me that you think we need to emulate the laws of two neo-socialist states with tremendous budget deficits, high taxes, nanny government, moribund economies, and bloated state governments? If you think New York is such a fine place, I invite you to live there for a while. I grew up in New York State. That place sucks in so many ways, and government is the root of everything wrong there.

    I am proud to be a Virginian now, and the benefits of being here are absolutely tremendous. You’re welcome to personally experiment with New York style government, but just don’t involve me in any of it.

  39. Wolverine said on 17 Feb 2010 at 5:49 pm:
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    “…social engineering issues that have, in the recent past, emerged from the religious Reich.”

    That’s good for a big laugh. Imagine a Democrat accusing someone else of “socal engineering”! Is it 1 April already?

  40. Clairese Lippincott said on 17 Feb 2010 at 8:20 pm:
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    Having had the advantage of coming late to this and reading an already leangthy thread, a few points require clarification:

    1. For Greg: When you are walking along with a crowd and someone yells, “Hey stupid!” Do you automatically turn around, presuming that you were being called stupid?

    As I read the earlier post by J T Balance, it was clear, at least to me, that he was saying that if Bob Marshall could turn his skills toward real problems, instead of those created by the extreme religious fanatics (like the late Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the latter of which blames Haitians for bringing their earthquake on themselves) then Virginia would be much better off. If Greg considers himself in the same company of Robertson, whose behavior earns him the title, Leader of the Religious Reich, then, if the shoe fits, Greg, then wear it, boy.

    2. The other, much more funny aspect of the thread, is the employment of a rhetorical device designed to avoid actually addressing the point(s) or issues, and instead redirects with an absurd statement. This was used in the old Animal House movie when the Animal House fraternity reps protested to Dean Wormer, that any criticism of them was a condemnation of the whole fraternity system…and indeed the entire United States of America. Greg dodges any constructive discussion and offers the absurdity that, Religious Reich, sounds similar to the Nazi Third Reich, so therefore the post was not about focusing the talents of legislators like Bob Marshall on energy, jobs etc. but were supposedly an attack on Greg’s veteran relatives; or claiming to have called Greg a Nazi; none of which actually happened. Nice try, if you are an Eighth grader.

    It is awfully funny that Greg pulls this absurd argument tactic rather often and few people bother to call him on such clumsy rhetorical maneuvers.

    In general, I am encouraged to learn that there are some Democrats who are considering supporting the exploratory wells and approving Uranium mining. It remains to be seen how many will stand tall and be counted, but lets use sound arguments and persuastion to win them over to the cause of fighting for new energy jobs, as well taking steps towards energy independence.

  41. Greg L said on 17 Feb 2010 at 10:37 pm:
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    Clairese, it’s good to see you’ve given up beating up on Jews. Now I guess you’ve moved on to pounding on Christians. I always appreciate it when leftist religious bigots drop by and try to act morally superior to everyone else. It’s endlessly amusing.

    “All they are doing is repeating the same drivel from the tired propagandists in the main stream, Jew-run, mind control factories.” Clareese Lippincott on NLS

  42. local gop said on 18 Feb 2010 at 11:07 pm:
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    1) where did I say that we should copy or emulate NY or CA???? Think before typing next time, Greg.

    2) NY and CA were offered as examples of states that exercise home rule, other such states are…..EVERY STATE EXCEPT MS, AL, ID, VT, VA, AND IN.

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