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Open Thread

By Greg L | 2 March 2010 | Uncategorized | 102 Comments

I’m backed up terribly with time really tight deadlines, and have had no chance to post.  Note the special election today in Fairfax, that SB 462’s limited amnesty for illegal aliens seems poised to shoot through the House of Delegates since nobody has seemed to notice this PC-fest has major problems, and HB 737’s jobs for legal American workers is on the way to being killed in the Senate because Fairfax and a few other localities can’t seem to function without their illegal alien employees.

Most recent funny: Frank Wolf’s putative primary challenger Jim Trautz is putting up panicky posts on resistnet.com (of all places) begging for people to help him get enough petition signatures to qualify for the primary. Hysterical.

There’s plenty more going on, so don’t hesitate to bring each other up to speed while I’m head’s down for a day or so.

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  1. Ronald said on 2 Mar 2010 at 8:56 am:
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    I saw a sign on the Western end of the county “Fitzsimmons for Congress”… is Bob running, and if he is, is it the 10th or 11th?

  2. Greg L said on 2 Mar 2010 at 9:03 am:
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    Here’s one that a lot of folks won’t want to miss:

    The Bull Run Republican Women’s Club will host a presentation by Lord Christopher Monckton, “The Truth about Global Warming.”

    The presentation will be March 10 at 8 p.m. at Four Points by Sheraton, 10800 Vandor Lane, Manassas.

    Monckton has served as a Downing Street policy advisor to Margaret Thatcher. He has given speeches, lectures and university seminars in the United States and all over the world. His papers are published at http://www.scienceandpublicpolicy.org .

    The presentation is free to the public, but reservations are required. Call 703-652-4275 or e-mail robyncandland@gmail.com .

  3. Oh No! said on 2 Mar 2010 at 10:38 am:
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    Jim Trautz is the ” Mike McHugh Lobby” candidate. Mike McHugh is a nutcase.

  4. J. Tyler Ballance said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:34 am:
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    I know Mike McHugh and worked along with him on a few political campaigns. While we differ on some key issues, we always enjoin in civil discourse. Mike McHugh sets a fine example of how VIRGINIANS can fight fiercely for a particular cause, yet retain the proper perspective that today’s political opponents may often be tomorrow’s political ally.

    Fake name poster, “Oh no”, is a coward who hasn’t the courage to stand by his own views and uses the anonymity of this forum to slander good citizens like Mr. McHugh and others.

    One of the key reasons so many seem to be on edge today, is that of our economic depression. It looks like we shall be getting worse and many citizens have completely lost hope of even joining the “Middle Class” during their lifetimes.

    Democrats and Republicans should be working together to restore our strategic manufacturing base, but instead Congress is playing patty-cake over a health care bill that only the insurance parasites and big Pharma wants.

    If we want to provide basic coverage to the 33,000,000 uninsured, they can be added to Medicaid or the military’s Tricare system for about $3.5 billion annually. This is far less than the $98 billion Senate bill and could be paid for using existing revenue. (Withdrawing from Iraq would save almost $500 billion).

    We need a national trade policy that says that, if you don’t make your goods here, then there will be a substantial tariff on those goods.

    We need a national energy independence policy that will free us from the bonds to the Middle East and OPEC.

  5. DPortM said on 2 Mar 2010 at 1:43 pm:
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    The Board of County Supervisors are being bombarded with e-mails from the Prince William Education Association crowd demanding that the BOCS raise our taxes to pay for the schools so the Prince William County Board of Education doesn’t have to reduce their budget.

  6. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:11 pm:
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    It’s too bad someone with some street cred is not running against ole Frank. His time (if he ever had one), has come and gone. While he was off on Quixotic jaunts in China and Darfur, neighborhoods in his district degenerated into flophouse ghettos, and old Frank did nothing. Between 1986, when he voted against the so-called Immigration Reform Act, to 2008, when he wrote a letter to President Bush asking ole Jorge to please enforce the border, he did and said absolutely nothing to curb the invasion of our country. He’s a tool of the slave labor employers, nothing more. He should cash in his frequent flier miles, find some cushy jobs at Carmax for his fast-talking staffers, and retire.

  7. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:18 pm:
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    Meanwhile, back at that cauldron of socialist phlegm, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Mark Potok is trying to rally his latte imbibers to rise up and oppose what he believes is a growing threat of right wing radicals. See, http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right.

    If you can hold your nose long enough to get past his propaganda, he actually has made a valid observation: America is sick of the left’s agenda, and is starting to organize and oppose it. Be afraid Mr. Potok. Be very afraid.

  8. Maureen said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:21 pm:
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    SB 462 will most likely pass in the Court of Justice Sub-Committee. Pressure needs to be put on all the sub-committee members so please call the members of the Court of Justice Sub-Committee (Criminal). Please explain how this bill will hurt the ones that have sworn to protect and serve everyone, not just one class of people. It is an outrage that this bill will open police officers to civil lawsuits if they forget and ask about immigration status.

    The following are talking points that you can use when talking to members of the sub-committee:

    1. This will be a weapon for illegal aliens to use to challenge criminal convictions. Police are not restricted from asking anyone anything during the course of an investigation. They can ask “crime victims” if they deal drugs, engage in prostitution, etc… Although police don’t generally ask “crime victims” about any illegal activity they may have engaged in, police officers do not need a criminal defendant claiming that a police officer asked an illegal question as a means of legal defense.

    2. Police departments generally have policies that do this already, but the penalty for violating a policy is a talk with a supervisor. This bill makes it a crime for a police officer to ask a question, and if a defendant claims a police officer violated this law, no matter how suspect the allegation is, authorities are required to investigate.

    3. Federal law prohibits a state or locality from restricting the ability of a police officer from asking about immigration status. This legislation is contrary to 8 USC 1373 and 8 USC 1622.

    4. Since police by policy don’t ask crime victims about crimes they may have committed anyways, and no one is able to cite cases where police have mistreated crime victims who might have violated immigration laws, one has to suspect the intent here is to “send a message.” Do we really want to send a “message” to illegal aliens that they get special protection under the law in Virginia ?

    Please contact all members of the House Courts of Justice subcommittee and ask them to kill SB 462.

    Delegate H. Morgan Griffith (Chairman) DelMGriffith@house.virginia.gov (804) 698-1008

    Delegate David B. Albo (804) 698-1042
    Delegate Robert B. Bell- (804) 698-1058
    Delegate Benjamin L. Cline (804) 698-1024
    Delegate C. Todd Gilbert (804) 698-1015
    Delegate Jackson H. Miller (804) 698-1050
    Delegate Ward L. Armstrong (804) 698-1010
    Delegate Charniele L. Herring (804) 698-1046

  9. park'd said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:22 pm:
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    Been saying that for years advocator. It falls on deaf ears here. In the meantime there is another MS13 gang tag graffiti on the fence next to my house. Way to go Frank.

  10. Maureen said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:30 pm:
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    HB 737- Is a compromise bill would require state and local governments to use E-Verify to make sure new hires are authorized to work in the United States. Before the bill passed the House, it was amended to drop the private-sector E-Verify requirement. It is a reasonable measure designed to prevent legal workers from having to compete with illegal aliens for state and local taxpayer-funded jobs.

    Federal laws prohibit the hiring of unlawful workers so why won’t the Virginia Senate pass E-Verify?

    Contact Senate Majority Leader Dick Saslaw and demand he put HB 737 on the docket! You can email his office at district35@senate.virginia.gov and call at (804) 698-7535

    Senator Chuck Colgan is also on this committee and if he wanted to, he could get this on the docket as well. You can reach his office at district29@senate.virginia.gov and (804) 698-7529.

    Link to other committee members;

  11. Dan said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:39 pm:
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    park’d, I don’t know the particular situation in your neighborhood so I am not qualified to speak to it. But doesn’t Congressman Wolf get any credit for his actions to bring attention to and deal with violent gangs in Northern Virginia?

    You may think he should have done more or that the efforts have been ineffective, but it isn’t like he has been silent on the issue.

    Or is this just generalized dislike for Wolf that calls for attacking him on any basis? Even things he has tried to make priorities.

  12. park'd said on 2 Mar 2010 at 2:45 pm:
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    Hey I have nothing against the guy other than, as advocator said, neighborhoods devolved and turned into illegal flop dens on his watch. He did nothing to alleviate this problem except for jawbone against gangs. I’m staring at an MS13 graffiti on the fence across from my house as I type this so how’s that whole gang initiative working out for us? Yeah, that’s what I thought. ALL incumbents need to go. No sense in carrying on about this because I feel how I feel and you guys feel how you feel. I won’t vote for him nor will any of my friends or family. EVER. Will it make a difference? Doubtful, as the best the Dems can field are the likes of Feider and Rishell types. You either get a RINO or a moonbat Dem these days. I am just not voting any more myself until or unless a real conservative runs for office, ANY office.

  13. Dan said on 2 Mar 2010 at 3:00 pm:
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    So, you would consider voting for a Democrat in the 10th that you don’t consider to be a moonbat just to shake things up? A centrist Democrat could get your vote?

  14. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 3:17 pm:
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    How about a conservative Independent? Someone who doesn’t have to cowtow to Party interests.

  15. Dan said on 2 Mar 2010 at 3:31 pm:
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    Does such a candidate exist? I know there will be a Democratic nominee. We just don’t know who that will be yet.

    Is there a credible independent candidate on the horizon for 2010?

  16. Not a Donkey said on 2 Mar 2010 at 3:33 pm:
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    Frank Wolf has received a lifetime grade of a B from NumbersUSA. I find that a pretty good grade when it comes to illegal immigration. So he actually has done good for the “cause”

    I do have to agree that he does spend too much time on the Sudan and China. Have you called his office to tell him so?

  17. Not a Donkey said on 2 Mar 2010 at 3:38 pm:
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    Advocator and Park’d, Have you contacted your general assembly members about the two bills mentioned earlier? I sure hope so. If you didn’t please don’t complain about Wolf.

  18. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 3:52 pm:
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    “If you didn’t please don’t complain about Wolf.”

    Why? If Wolf (and Davis, and Allen, and Warner) had paid some attention to the Invasion problem, there’d be no need to carve out special privileges for Illegal Aliens in Virginia because there wouldn’t be that many around.

    But I have called, so I guess you’ll allow me to complain?

    And I’m not impressed with a grade of “B” in any milieu, let alone the country’s future. The man is a farce. He talks nicely, flirts tastefully with the bluehairs, does the bidding for the slave labor employers, and gets re-elected by those who would pull the lever for my pet goat if I hung a sign around his lice-infested neck that said, “GOP.”

  19. park'd said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:07 pm:
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    That’s all I am saying too. As long as the R sits next to their name most people here think they can do no wrong. All I know is that my neighborhood turned into a cesspool on Frank’s watch and from where I sit staring at the MS13 graffiti I would also say the gang initiative thing everyone here always panders for was a bust as well. Just sayin…


  20. local gop said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:10 pm:
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    how does wolf pander to illegals?? they cant even vote for him. who is he going to pander to…illegals that dont vote, or people looking at gang graffiti that do vote???

  21. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:15 pm:
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    There wouldn’t have been a need for any “gang initiative” if Wolf and the rest of the GOP “gang” had done their job from ‘02 to ‘06. Instead, they opted to court a voting bloc that will never vote for them anyway, and got trounced in the ‘08 election for their effort. But the party faithful still kiss their wingtips. If I got the chance, I’d piss on them.

  22. Tom Andrews said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:18 pm:
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    Unfortunately the way the game is played today, the only way an independent (of any stripe) can realistically compete is if that individual can self-finance a campaign. The major parties control the money flow and therefore the oxygen is removed from the room before an independent can ever get established. This of course rules out most citizens from participating which I often feel is the way the system is designed to be. Without the major cash infusions from the national, state and even local parties that would be required to run a credible congressional campaign, any independent will always be the longest of shots to dethrone an incumbent. Maybe in a 30 day special with an open seat, but it’s not going to happen in a regular election cycle.

  23. local gop said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:25 pm:
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    the laws already exist to fight illegal immigration, and bush made reforms to it. its not congress’ fault the bush didnt enforce him as is his constitutional duty. its not wolfs fault he didnt build the fence as congress allocated money for.

  24. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:42 pm:
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    It’s Wolf’s fault that he wasn’t standing up in the halls of Congress, shoulder to shoulder with fine Americans like Tom Tancredo and Heath Shuler, warning his Party that this country was being invaded and destroyed. Instead, he tried to deflect attention to the plight of poor folks half a world away. And true believers in the righteousness of any slacker who pays his money and joins the Republican Party continue to give him a pass.

    Well the poor folks are in his own district, now. Folks who have lost their jobs to Illegal Invaders. Folks who have lost their property values because of Illegal Invader flophouses. Folks who have lost their life savings because Frank’s banker friends loaned money to Invaders who had no intention of paying it back. And where’s Frank? Have you seen him in Sudley lately? Or Westgate? Or the Park?

  25. Miller for Senate said on 2 Mar 2010 at 4:57 pm:
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    Rex Parr spoke to the BOCS today sounding all moderate but don’t be fooled, he was with the “we want more taxes ‘cuz it helps us, I mean the kids folks”, he is one name mentioned as a possible democrat to replace Colgan

  26. Advocator said on 2 Mar 2010 at 5:02 pm:
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    All Democrats want more taxes. Money is power. Take it away from the people and give it to Government. That’s the Democratic way.

  27. ... said on 2 Mar 2010 at 5:43 pm:
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    “All I know is that my neighborhood turned into a cesspool on Frank’s watch”

    Jones or Wolf?

  28. MarkinToA said on 2 Mar 2010 at 5:53 pm:
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    No one has mentioned the “9500 Liberty” gal is busy again?

    Ms. Annabel Park started the Coffe Party. Just more big government statists without an original thought.


  29. chicko said on 2 Mar 2010 at 7:04 pm:
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    I think annabel park looks like a muppet for some reason, dont know what it is about her.

    they are just looking for more publicity, guess their crappy movie didnt make enough money for them…

  30. Fairfax said on 2 Mar 2010 at 9:22 pm:
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    To the gentleman commenting on the graffitti:

    Why are you starring at it instead of erasing it? Some things require police and political change, others require sand paper, paint, and elbow grease. Don’t talk about it, be about it.

  31. LibertyVA said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:25 pm:
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    I do not know about anyone else but recently I have been having a hard time distinguishing the difference between Frank Wolf and the liberals in the house. He voted for TARP, voted to allow the government takeover of the Tobacco Industry and did absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration. All while he is running around calling himself a Conservative. It’s time that we as a country stop following what the party leaders tell us is the right path to follow and actually hold these people accountable. Look at it this way, in private industry you do not get to completely disregard what your customers want and keep your job, so public office should be no different.

    It’s time we get real debate back into politics and the only way to do that is by getting rid of the politicians that have turned their backs on the American People and are only there to serve their own interests.

    My vote will be going for Jim Trautz.

  32. Kevin C said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:38 pm:
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    LibertyVA said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:25 pm: “…politicians that have turned their backs on the American People and are only there to serve their own interests.”

    You’ve just described every single politician INSIDE (and just about every politician OUTSIDE) the beltway !!!

    Most politicians are there only to serve their own GIANT EGOS !!!!

  33. G Man said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:38 pm:
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    The folks at Hot Air have blown the lid off of Annabel and her new gig:


  34. Greg L said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:39 pm:
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    Still swamped by projects, but this came in my email and I really need to share this with folks:


    The INSANE thing is that the GA killed a bill this session that would ensure abuses like these don’t happen because VDOT said it would cost too much to actually compensate property owners as the law requires for the property they’re seizing under eminent domain. Who the hell do some of these legislators think they’re working for!!!

  35. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 1:16 am:
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    Went to the BOCS meeting today (Tues) @ 2pm. Didn’t plan on speaking, just there originally to observe/get info.

    Listened to teacher after teacher line up and demand a tax increase for PWCSB. Taking away the paper thin fig leaf of “for the children”, at the end of the day, it was all about teacher protection and retaining the teacher union power. A rep from the VEA also came to speak, demanding a tax increase.

    Another speaker rambled on about an anti-Hispanic letter to the Editor in the paper. I think. Wasn’t paying much attention, didn’t make sense.

    At the end, even though I didn’t sign up, felt compelled to speak.
    Told the BOCS I had done a back-of-the-envelope analysis of my own prop taxes since 2000 to present — the rate seemed to trend with the annual CPI index as published by the BLS and congratulated them on a job well done — managing growth while curbing costs.

    Spoke about my most recent experiences in Monterey, CA — where the local community (& esp school board) refused to consider any cuts or cutbacks and demanded tax increases to maintain services –
    (local sales tax in Monterey now @ approx 9.75 %) — which didn’t have the desired effect — end result — spiraling decrease in economic activity — downtown New Monterey is now a ghost town — asked them to consider the fact that many families in PWC are struggling — we have so far been exempt, but many of our neighbors are stepping down from 2 incomes to 1 or 1.5 — they are struggling to meet ends meet & don’t have “room” in their budget for tax increases.

    Addressed “wants” vs. “needs” — school board is an important spending priority — but not only important spending priority — and difficult choices must be made. Stated amt spent per pupil is not indicative of “quality” , otherwise all students in District of Columbia would be nobel laureates ( a few nods on council with this) — asked them to consider the WHOLE demands on budget and current fiscal reality of overall declining household incomes —

    Council chambers were packed with teachers and supporters. Felt daggers after my comments. Now feel the need to check my car for explosives every morning. The “educators” are not happy. They feel they have a gun to our collective heads and we all need to pay up and shut up. That was the feeling I got from them. Seniors, roads, policing — take a back seat on the budget bus. Teachers may be laid off. They won’t be able to afford hair or nail appointments! (Seriously, this is what one teacher stated) Dire economic consequences will result due to reduced teacher disposable income!

    After meeting, got stopped & interviewed by a reporter from Wash Times. The Times is working on an article on the eroding middle class in the Wash DC area. Anyone interested in participating, please let me know.

    Spoke to Times reporter about my parents, and many other seniors — on fixed income; their investments are losing $$, their income is going down while their expenses everywhere are going up — you can always spend money, making tough budget choices and spending within your means is harder.

    Got the feeling PWCSB has given marching orders & issued talking points — there was a meeting at Stonewall Jackson HS last night, many showed up with same talking points to unilaterally demand tax increase for school budget.

    BOCS probably needs some counter-input from the citizenry.

  36. PWC Sub said on 3 Mar 2010 at 6:12 am:
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    Here is something to ponder from another blog posting:

    “Tonight’s win should also send a clear message to Bob McDonnell and Virginia Republicans: Protect Virginia’s public schools. The 41st House District, which voted for McDonnell just 5 months ago, today elected a Democrat who campaigned against McDonnell’s massive education cuts. Virginia became the best state for business and the best state to raise a child by investing in high-quality schools. We simply cannot afford to go back.”

  37. DPortM said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:07 am:
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    And we simply cannot afford to spend money that we don’t have. Cutbacks are necessary everywhere, on an individual level, a family level, a county level, a state level, and a federal level.

    As a parent with children in the PWC shool system, I do not want my children to be used to advocate more spending and tax hikes.

  38. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:16 am:
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    Interesting, but I disagree with the poster’s premise.
    I’ve been away from the county since 2005, and I was shocked when we moved back at just how militant the teacher’s union here has become. The mood is perceptibly different. It was obvious from the BOCS meeting yesterday that they had been using scare tactics with children and parents to get their way. They aren’t interested in “quality”, otherwise the Admin here would be discussing proven strategies that work, but they won’t even consider them — and I have neither the time nor energy to persuade them otherwise. The repeated statement was that PWCSB offers a “world class education” — but without any comparison to back up the marketing slogan. I strongly disagree. I don’t think what the PWCSB here will make kids competitive with their peers around the world. There are lots of places doing great things with far less money and their kids are beating the pants of PWCSB’s “world class” education. The area of mathematics immediately comes to mind. The mathematics education curriculum here is, IMHO, terrible, and I’m not the only one who feels that — another parent in this area has apparently started a petition about the math education in the county.

    I’m trying to do some research on the militancy of the teacher’s unions vs. results of the school, but unfortunately, it will be mostly anecdotal in nature, since such a premise “level of militancy” is hard to quantify.

    My concern is that PWCSB seems to be on the tipping point. If they successfully scare people into believing that cash=quality; they will have increased their influence and militancy. Parents already aren’t really wanted in the schools here, save for their checkbooks. The sarcasm with which parents were treated at the school board meeting about Math Investigations and hit You Tube elicited very strong reactions when I shared with my friends from other states when we were living in CA. Most of them said they wouldn’t put up with such behavior and would be at the school Admin building with metaphorical torches and pitchforks.

    The amount of spending per pupil since 2000 has risen significantly in excess of the CPI, without any demonstrable improvement in quality. I’ve kept the notebooks of my older kids, and when reviewing, I feel that the quality has gone DOWN not up. Turning off the tap of unlimited funding (this is how much we demand, give it to us) will force the uncomfortable choices that the PWCSB needs to make …. it might even force them to look at programs that aren’t producing results and institute much need change and innovation.

    What I see here is nothing more than a raw struggle for power, and a continuation of the fight between the teacher’s unions and parents.
    It will be interesting to see who wins.

  39. Loudoun Insider said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:25 am:
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    Sounds like PWC is heading where Loudoun is with an out of control school system. While every local jurisdiction is cutting back, some in huge ways, Loudoun is seeking a 5% increase with a raise for teachers. And the Dem majority BOS is going to give it to them. All for the children.

    The big problem with these school board races is that they’re always overshadowed by supervisor races. We all need to pay better attention to school board races and elect common sense frugal types who can combat some of the administration/teacher lobby lunacy.

  40. Woodbridge said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:28 am:
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    The PWCS Teacher’s Union is out of control. Our Kindergarten daughter brought a letter home regarding the the meeting at Stonewall and how our speaking out can “save the education of our children”. This letter came from the PTO President who also happens to be one of the Kindergarten teaching assistants who could be cut as a result of budget cuts. I understand the importance of these assistants, but I also understand that when we were growing up and in Kindergarten there were no teaching assistants and the class size was exactly the same.

    The BOCS needs to stand up to the teacher’s union and tell them to focus more on the quality of teaching and not on trying to run roughshod over the county budget!!

  41. Advocator said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:29 am:
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    Thanks for your post and speaking to the Board, Ms. Manel. Keep us informed if you receive any threats, veiled or otherwise.

  42. Cynic said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:33 am:
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    The teacher’s union - did they win in Rhode Island?

  43. Advocator said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:34 am:
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    LibertyVA said on 2 Mar 2010 at 11:25 pm, “I do not know about anyone else but recently I have been having a hard time distinguishing the difference between Frank Wolf and the liberals in the house.”

    I have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Frank Wolf and a chalk outline.

  44. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:56 am:
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    Yes, that PTO/Aide was at the meeting. After my comments, especially when I informed the BOCS that as a mother of 4, I have removed ALL of them from PCWSB for one reason or another because the school refused to provide the education they needed, and I am concerned that the children in this district get a quality education.

    I was one of the last speakers, so they didn’t have a chance to scramble a rebuttal. The PTO/Aide …. she’s scary. When I got home and my husband asked me how it went, I told him she specifically is one person I wouldn’t put past going all Amy-Bishop on me.

    You get alot of interesting reactions when you gore the “world class” cow.

    With the line-up of militant teachers, union reps, reps from the VEA, the one thing that they DIDN’T address and remained completely silent about was an item in their proposed PWCSB budget –

    their own presentation of “5 years trend” of student enrollment shows a 65.% increase in ESOL students and a 43.4% increase in free/reduced lunch.

    The PWCSB budget office presentation states that the board expects “continued growth in ESOL, special education, and economically disadvantaged students”.


    As we know, ESOL students get treated differently from other students in the system here — much smaller classes, more personalized/special attention, and much higher spending per pupil for an ESOL student vs. a regular mainstreamed kid.

    I would also surmise that there is a correlation between the rise in ESOL & free-reduced lunch.

    So, the unspoken elephant in the room is that the school board expects ESOL/Low Income to rise, and that this is a big reason why their costs are going up. Which means, the nice, average kids of long term residents here are going to be shafted so the school board can continue to shift resources and attention to a rising population of ESOL students, and then the PWCSB has the arrogance to turn around to these same parents and demand that they pay more for the privilege.

    My question is, why is PWC experiencing such a dramatic rise in ESOL/reduced lunch? I’m sure the answers will upset many — but if I’m being asked to pay for it, I think I have a right to know the honest answer.

  45. Riley said on 3 Mar 2010 at 11:07 am:
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    LI, teachers in PWC aren’t getting a raise or a step increase this year. Makes you wonder where a lot of that money is going to if it isn’t to the teachers or into the classrooms.

  46. Not a Donkey said on 3 Mar 2010 at 11:57 am:
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    The raises came last year. Also my children did just fine without a kindergarten teachers aide. This is a fairly new concept and can be cut. Also I know the City of Manassas has teachers that work on a part time basis although I don’t know what they make per year. They also have paid “helpers” coming in to help some teachers, another cost that could be cut out.

    Is this happening in PWC?

  47. Big Dog said on 3 Mar 2010 at 12:24 pm:
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    FYI - According to the Virginia State Board of Elections
    website, the May 4th Manassas City elections
    will have on the ballot:

    City Council (3 seats)
    Marc Aveni
    Andy Harrover
    Steve Randolph

    School Board (3 seats)
    Tim Demeria
    Pat Linehan
    Regina “Reggie” Moore
    Pam Sebesky
    Sanford Williams

  48. Big Dog said on 3 Mar 2010 at 12:30 pm:
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    And for a two year term on the school board (1 seat)
    Roland Magee
    (This is to finish the unexpired term of Ms. Bass)

  49. Not W said on 3 Mar 2010 at 12:35 pm:
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    Aveni and Harrover will get my vote for Council, not sure about Randolph, who do you like for school board Big Dog?

  50. Bob Sentz said on 3 Mar 2010 at 1:59 pm:
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    I posted this today under the ‘Whiskey Tango Foxtrot’ thread and wanted to ensure at least some of you got a chance to watch the video. It’s a true eye opener. At least it was for me.
    This is a full length video of a 20/20 show hosted by John Stossel. This video demonstrates the waste that occurs in our public schools. They do not need more money they need to spend it like it’s their own money. Very informative.


  51. Advocator said on 3 Mar 2010 at 2:02 pm:
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    Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 10:56 am, “My question is, why is PWC experiencing such a dramatic rise in ESOL/reduced lunch? I’m sure the answers will upset many — but if I’m being asked to pay for it, I think I have a right to know the honest answer.”

    There are several issues in this question, Ms. Manel. First, there has been a dramatic rise in ESOL due to the influx of illegal invading aliens into this area (they are NOT immigrants). Everyone knows that, but few politicians will admit to it because nothing is being done about it. This meshes with the posts above about Congressman (spit) Wolf, who has done nothing to deter the invasion by illegal aliens.

    How many illegal aliens are there in the County schools, leeching funds away from the progeny of the few taxpayers left in this County? No one knows for sure, because there is a State Board of Education policy that says illegal alien children and progeny of illegal aliens will not be counted. That policy is erroneously based on a US Supreme Court case (Plyler v. Doe), that decreed that a school system must allow enrollment of children without regard to citizenship. It’s an erroneous policy because the Supremes only addressed enrollment, not counting. The rationale for the policy is that if we asked for identification only for counting purposes, that might dissuade illegal aliens from enrolling their children.

    The Illegal Invasion is the cause of most, if not all problems in this area as well as in many other areas in the country. The Invasion has resulted in burdensome taxes for those of us who bother to observe the tax laws, in increased crime, in depressed property values, in a burst economic bubble, in traffic gridlock, in overloaded shools, in depressed wages, in lost jobs, etc., etc., etc. But those who should be doing something about it, from your local police chief on up to your congressional representatives, are too scared of repurcussions from those who profit from the presence of the illegal aliens. Profiteers like businesses who employ slave labor, the Catholic Church which wants more members, ESOL teachers who want employment, free medical clinic administrators like Supervisor Principi who depend on grants for their livelihood. I’m sure you can think of more who profit from the Invasion.

  52. Amos said on 3 Mar 2010 at 3:04 pm:
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    Next time your elected representative - or sheriff - tells you there is nothing they can do about illegal immigration, send them this link.

    There is plenty which can be done.

    But it takes cojones to stand up to those to profit from the illegals.


  53. Oh No! said on 3 Mar 2010 at 3:39 pm:
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    Just saw the unofficial results from the 41st HOD Special Election. It’s Filler-Corn(hole) by 42 votes. I suppose there’ll be a recount, but if history is any indication, GOP candidate vote totals always decrease, while many more Dem votes magically appear.

  54. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 4:17 pm:
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    RE: ESOL

    I’ll separate this into separate comments.
    First of all, ESOL is a complete racket. Ineffectual, expensive and has proven to fail.

    There are several studies which prove that immersion is a superior approach over ESOL. But it doesn’t nearly employ as large an industry as the immersion approach.

    We just returned to PWC from Monterey, CA. My oldest son ( a refugee from the PWC school system) is still there, studying Mandarin Chinese (a Category 4 language in difficulty) at the Defense Language Institute (DLI) at the Presidio of Monterey.

    PWCSB talks about their system being “World Class”, but the DLI is recognized as “the” world class institution for language training. They understand teaching someone a language from 0 to fluent in the minimum amount of time and with the most efficiency.

    My son started Mandarin Chinese in July, 2009. He is expected to graduate (Lord willing) in November, 2010. Unlike a Spanish speaker coming to the US, Mandarin has no commonality at all with English.
    For a native English speaker from a non-Asian background, it is exceedingly difficult.

    It is now Feb, 2009. My son is about halfway through his course. His fluency in the language is strong enough that he was approached by his Chinese language instructors (who are native Mandarin speakers) to tutor Chinese speakers learning English at the MIIS
    (Monterey International School). The Chinese student can understand my son’s Chinese well enough that there is no barrier to learning. The Chinese speaker helps with correcting pronounciation and tone, but it’s not that he doesn’t understand what my son is saying. Likewise, my son reviews his English papers and helps him with his English - speaking and writing. It’s a win-win situation.

    So, people who advocate for expensive ESOL over immersion are lying to you. For non-English speakers, full immersion is always superior. If my son can start from zero with NO asian language or cultural experience, and be reading, writing and speaking a Cat 4 language in under a year, then anyone arriving here can learn English and be fluent without the need for the “ESOL” crutch.

    I also attended a french immersion high school with total immersion, and can compare my grasp of the french language with that of my cousins (same birth year and school year and similar academic scores) who only studied the mandatory french in a English language HS. I like to think that just because I went to a french HS my fluency in English did not suffer. And it’s hasn’t created problems for me communicating with my non-French speaking relatives.

    IMHO - Immersion works. ESOL does not.

    The sad part is, we have lots of extremely capable people living here in the county with a great deal of experience and knowledge about education, esp. language education (there is a huge DLI Alumni network here) who have a lot they could be contributing, but the PWCSB isn’t at all interested in anything they might have to say and/or contribute.

    This is about power & control, not what’s best for PWC students and certainly not the PWC taxpayer.

  55. Advocator said on 3 Mar 2010 at 4:50 pm:
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    I’m in total agreement with you, Laurie-Ann. ESOL is a racket that ends up benefitting only those hired to teach it. Total immersion is the only way to go. I’ve learned three languages that way.

    But the Illegal Invasion crowd and their sympathizers want it, so it will remain. And those of us who point out its deficiencies and the bloodsucking it’s doing to our schools will be called “bigots” for our efforts.

  56. Patty said on 3 Mar 2010 at 5:15 pm:
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    More dollars per student does not equate to academic success. On average parents who homeschool spend about $500.00 per child. These homeschooled children score about 30 percentile points above their public school counterparts.

    Here is a report about this on HSLDA’s web site: http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

    My point is this, it doesn’t take a lot of money to give your children a quality education. That’s why teacher unions hate us.

  57. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 5:37 pm:
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    As an immigrant myself, I don’t want my viewpoint to be seen as someone who is anti-immigrant and/or someone who is threatened by people of different cultures and backgrounds moving to the County.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    However, we, the taxpayers, have every right to ask tough questions as to “Why” there has been a 65% increase in ESOL. That’s a big number, and big numbers like that don’t happen “accidentally”.

    We need to drill down more instead of making assumptions. Are these ESOL students illegal aliens and/or are they legal immigrants/refugees who are being settled here. (And yes, the Refugee resettlement scam is another big racket).

    I grew up in very multicultural Toronto, Canada. I say that because Canada and Toronto in particular have been recognized worldwide for their openness in accepting people from around the world, and have been recognized as leaders in compassionate approaches to refugees. Canada per capita takes in and absorbs more refugees than the US.

    I mention this to head off the bashers who are going to say, “Oh, you just hate immigrants. You’re a bigot!”.

    Absolutely not.

    But Canada will not let you enroll a student without proper paperwork. Unless you can produce a Canadian birth certificate, you must have a LPR (Landed Permanent Resident) card and proof that you are “legal”.

    When our church wanted to sponsor several refugee families from Vietnam, we had to provide the local government with information about the estimate increase in costs created to educate these youngsters before they were fully assimilated. Our church then went and raised these funds independently — and we paid those costs for the first two years of their arrival. After that, everyone in the family was working, earning an income, and the kids did not need anymore assistance — they were fully integrated into the school system.

    Long story short, we took it upon ourselves to bear the costs for “sponsoring” these families. When our church approached Immigration Canada, we had to provide our plan and proof that we were not going to make these families “we” were bringing to be a burden on the local taxpayers.

    I understand that these rules may have changed since I emigrated, but it was a policy that worked.

    So, if these ESOL learners are being brought here and settled by Refugee resettlement groups, then we need to start asking questions about what services and supports they are offering to ensure that these new arrivals don’t burden the local taxpayer.

    If these ESOL learners are indeed illegal aliens, then that’s another whole set of questions. I suspect that this is the truth, because of the double standards regarding enrollment and evasiveness on the part of the PWCSB. And clearly, if we have had a 65% increase, then the word is out that this is a “sanctuary” school district and not too many hard questions will be asked. This is unacceptable.

    When we arrived this summer to enroll our daughter at Gainesville Middle School, we had to provide among our documents, proof of residency. I was asked for the Deed to my house — not something I have ever been asked for in any other district — and utilities bills.

    However, I could also just sign an Affidavit and not provide any proof. This was the scam that the illegal aliens were running to get driver’s licenses in VA, and which I went to Richmond with then-Senator O’Brien to testify against.

    Virginia State Law also requires that residents change their driver’s licenses and vehicle tags.

    When I would drop off my daughter, there were an awful lot of cars in the parking lot and car line up that had Maryland and DC tags. Without military decals on them.

    Two months later, at a school meeting, parking lot is still filled with cars with Maryland and DC tags, but the kids are clearly enrolled at Gainesville MS.

    No one’s asking any questions why these “residents” don’t have VA tags. Well, it’s still possible as an illegal alien to get a driver’s license and vehicle tag in MD than it is in VA since the rules here were changed.

    Also, by not paying the vehicle sales and transfer taxes, county property taxes, these “residents” are cheating other lawful taxpayers that are paying their full share.

    So, my first question would be why they are two very different standards for enrolling a child coming into the county. If I have to provide a Deed and utility bills, then the next parent coming in the door behind me shouldn’t be allowed to sign an Affidavit.

    Quite frankly, you should have to not only show proof of residency (deed, lease, utilities) but also proof that “all” taxes have been paid — car tag, title (sales tax) and county property tax. Military does have exemptions enshrined in federal law, but all others shouldn’t have exceptions. No “affidavits” or “waivers” for special groups.
    That isn’t singling out a particular individual alleging anything, that is enforcing a sense set of rules that treats all taxpayers fairly and uniformly.

    And as a final note, yes, I understand that the legal precedent that some interpet as a blanket pass for illegal aliens to get an education here. The school may have to enroll them, but there is nothing that states that they have to be allowed to remain indefinitely. It is unacceptable for Progressives with their own political agenda to decide that the school district became a sanctuary state.

    Enroll the kids. Then allow the parents sufficient time to provide ALL the proof that is required of all — including a VA driver’s license if they are resident here and driving. If they can not produce, this needs to be reported to ICE, and pressure needs to be applied to have them removed.

    Word would get out pretty quickly that PWC is no longer a sanctuary school district, if the majority of ESOL kids are illegal aliens, then costs would drop pretty dramatically.

    That is the only solution that is fair and equitable to all taxpayers.

  58. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 5:49 pm:
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    I hear you.

    The PWCSB here is unbelievable arrogant when dealing with parents and/or taxpayers that aren’t, in their words, “professional educators”.

    My cousin IS a “professional educator”. She has a master’s in education and for the past decade, she has taught at an English immersion high school in Hong Kong.

    She is not unionized, and she is “hired at will”. Her paycheck is based on performance, with bonuses for superior performance and results.

    The school she teaches at is really “World Class”. The students that are enrolled - their first language is NOT English and most have no and/or limited English proficiency when they arrive — and the parents are paying for their students to be competitive on the world stage with English speaking students for enrollment in top tier universities. These kids ARE competing literally on the world stage.

    She has an entire filing cabinet of studies, etc in the cool professional educator lingo that prove the point that Immersion works, ESOL doesn’t.

    But PWCSB isn’t interested in any viewpoint outside of their narrow, parochial “professional educator” world.

  59. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 6:01 pm:
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    I agree with you 100%.

    The Catholic and private Christian schools are have better results with much lower costs per pupil. And they have smaller achievement gaps between minority and non-minority students.

    Cost does not equal “quality”.
    (Although part of my argument has been, define “quality” and please define what are the parameters for “World Class”).


    This is based on 2005 numbers, but the top states in spending were all robust dark blue, Demcratic, pro-union states where the teacher’s unions wield alot of power. Witness the multitude of stories about the NYC school district, where teachers are paid to NOT teach because of alleged inappropriate sexual conduct, etc, but get paid to sit in the “rubber room”.

    Based on the statements by the teachers at the BOCS meeting, my best guess is this is where they want to take PWCSB.

    I would like to see how these high-spending, pro-union states measure up on some easily quantifiable “quality” scale, and how non-union education alternatives (charter schools, christian, catholic) etc do with less money in the same state.

    This isn’t about wanting to deny kids a “quality education” — it’s the opposite. It’s demanding accountability and asking by what measure the PWCSB is defining “quality”.

    And 57% of the county budget is too big a piece of the pie. There are other important spending priorities in the county.

    The teacher union reps were right about one thing == the one way that parents and all taxpayers can wrestle back some control over the PWCSB is by setting the tax rate, and defining how much pie they get. How they choose to distribute it is another battle, but the first line in accountability is here.

  60. Anonymous said on 3 Mar 2010 at 6:21 pm:
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    Illegal Immigrants Caught Sabotaging American Train Tracks


    “Henderson County, N.C. — Henderson County deputies arrested two men accused of stealing railroad spikes from Norfolk Southern Railroad tracks.
    The men were arrested after deputies were called to investigate suspicious activity on the tracks near West Blue Ridge Road in the Flatrock area of Henderson County.

    During the investigation, deputies found the men had more than 500 spikes that had been taken from a stretch of active railroad tracks.

    Henderson County Sheriff Tim Davis said, “This act of theft could have easily had catastrophic consequences had a train derailed in this area.””


    Here is the federal law for rail sabotage:


    Punishment is up to 20 years if nobody dies from the crime, or up to life/death if somebody dies.

  61. Citizen12 said on 3 Mar 2010 at 6:30 pm:
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    If the numbers are close, the citizens of Virginian spend over $1.7 billion a year to educate the illegal and their offspring and they show their gratitude by sending over $1 billion a year back to Latin America. A loss easily exceeding $3 billion, paid for by the citizens of Virginia. That’s costing Virginians around $400 per person, not each tax payer, each Virginian.

    This seems to be a well documented fact yet year after year our officials in government at all levels fail to push this issue to its proper level of priority.

    If the educational system in this state wants more money let them find it by making space in their class rooms by refusing admission and activating expulsion without proper documentation.

    The state can find even more money by refusing to send education dollars to any jurisdiction that has declared it a sanctuary city or conducts itself as one.

    A violation of federal law? Let the federal government come to Virginia and try to enforce it. And then when they get here give them the bill that Virginia has had to pay as a result of their dereliction of duty, and tell them to take their favored invaders with them back to Washington D.C.

    We know that will not happen. They know it will not happen. It’s been too long since any of the 50 has snapped at the hand which provides the redistributed leftovers of our own money.


  62. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 6:42 pm:
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    I’m not an attorney, but I know that there are several who prowl this board. Given the discrepancy on how incoming students are treated, is this not cause for a 14th Amendment challenge? All students should be required to provide the same level of documentation. If the parent walking in the door behind me doesn’t have to provide proof and can sign a waiver, then no one should have to provide proof.

    I of course am arguing for the other side: everyone should have to provide the same level of documentation, and proof of legitimate residency should also include a VA driver’s license and the chit from the PWC tax authority that the vehicle has been registered with the personal property taxing authorities and all expenses paid.

    Isn’t Kris Kobach the guy who has been big on filing these types of challenges?

  63. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 7:01 pm:
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    Anon @ 6:21

    That’s just scary. Thanks for posting.

  64. Anonymous said on 3 Mar 2010 at 8:28 pm:
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    PBS aired the new Ken Burns documentary series, “The National Parks: America’s Best Idea,”

    Think he will do a follow up?



  65. Citizen12 said on 3 Mar 2010 at 8:56 pm:
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    Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Mar 2010 at 6:42 pm: Flag comment

    I’m not an attorney…..

    I’m sure you are correct in the challenges to the legitimacy of such actions and I would also agree it is a scary scenario, but to carry on as we have is even more so. I am in full support of our system finding the path to resolution in the manner in which it was set up to do.

    My point is this…this condition has existed for far too long and the burden placed on the backs of the American citizen. Granted it is a federal responsibility, yet one which has been ignored and will continue to be ignored unless the hand is forced, so, yes, perhaps some serious challenge to the authority is needed in order for the powers that be to act on that responsibility. What that challenge should be is what we look to our elected representatives for.

  66. local gop said on 4 Mar 2010 at 1:34 am:
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    It’s interesting that the article you posted, paid for by a PAC i might add, refers to this particular incident as a case of ‘illegal immigration terrorism.’ I am waiting for a right winger to advocate for declaring a war on illegals and rounding them up as war criminals and enemy combatants and holding them indefinitely, taking away due process.

  67. ... said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:19 am:
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    I can’t imagine that railroad spikes fetch a whole of money at the scrap metal place. But then, most illegal aliens aren’t well endowed in the upstairs department, are they? So it’s entirely possible that they’ll do 3 hours worth of work for $10 in scrap metal.

  68. Kevin C said on 4 Mar 2010 at 7:16 am:
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    local gop said on 4 Mar 2010 at 1:34 am: “…taking away due process.”

    DEFINE “due process.”

  69. Freedom said on 4 Mar 2010 at 8:14 am:
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    Laurie-Anne Manel, I too was at the BOCS meeting on Tuesday and appreciated your comments; in fact, wanted to applaud, but that being against decorum, did not. I have three grandchildren in private school, and with no government funding, it is not inexpensive. Instead of a paid “lunchroom staff” and paid “teacher assistants,” they rely upon parent volunteers to help. This has several advantages: first, it reduces cost, it gives parents clear vision into what is being taught and how it’s being taught, and the students recognize parental interest.

    It’s just about time that the PWCSB, the richly rewarded Superintendent and assistant superintendents, and their entire staff put a stop to the annoying harangue of “needing more money” and instead, develop innovative methods of educating children without the children having to “take the hit.”

    Oh, and another thing at my grandchildren’s school; teachers are rewarded not only by pride in their students’ progress, their salary increases are based upon the teacher’s performance in the classroom — outstanding performance results in outstanding salary increase. Mediocre performance yields corresponding salary increases. Substandard performance leads to a teacher’s change in profession or going to the public school system. Of course, the PWCSB won’t hear of that.

  70. Cynic said on 4 Mar 2010 at 11:26 am:
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    local gop - Still pandering to the illegals.

    “holding them indefinitely” - Why waste the money housing them and feeding these pieces of waste matter.

    Illegals who are terrorists should not qualify for due process. They should qualify to be executed.

  71. ... said on 4 Mar 2010 at 12:47 pm:
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    “They should qualify to be executed.”

    Send El Salvador a bill for the bullet, too.

  72. local gop said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:39 pm:
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    due process, for example, would be like an ins hearing for illegals, in the case of cuban illegals, they are entitled to an ins hearing before they can be sent back….thats due process.

  73. local gop said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:39 pm:
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    you’re not even worth arguing with….sorry, this isnt ancient sparta or what ever the hell civilization you want it to be.

  74. Cynic said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:41 pm:
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    Well, only if they originated from El Salvador! It (the bill for the bullet) should be sent to the Country of origin!

    Here is an interesting story on the invasion of the USA by the illegals. Do hope that it does not offend La Raza and the supporters of illegals, but even illegals commit crimes from time to time.

    For those who hike, fish, or hunt in these places, I would suggest “you all be careful” as you would not want to interrupt the “growing process” of these “farmers” Also do not drink the water or dig around in the soil, as those harsh illegal fertilizers and illegal chemicals dumped by the illegals may cause a skin rash.

    Oh, and keep paying your taxes so that we can continue to maintain this rich, cultural diversity!


  75. Karla H said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:57 pm:
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    Anybody here checked out Annabel’s latest effort on youtube? coffeepartyusa.

    It seems she is against the Republican Party “obstructing” the Democrat’s proposals.

    That’s funny. She obstructed my comments from her 9500Liberty vids because I did not agree with her view.

    She’s gonna have a tough time pulling that obstruction now, lest she look like a complete hypocrite.

    I gotta tell ya. She’s getting the cr@p beat out of her too! There is hope for our nation yet.

  76. Advocator said on 4 Mar 2010 at 4:27 pm:
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    There’s much hope for our Nation, Karla H. But we must focus on those who create the problems, not those who are merely symptoms or the problems. Illegal Aliens are the symptoms. The real problems are the politicians like Colgan and Congressman Wolf who allow the conditions to exist that attract illegal aliens.

  77. Anonymous said on 4 Mar 2010 at 7:04 pm:
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    Ken Burns documentary series, “The National Parks: America’s Best Idea,” has been aired by PBS.

    Think he will do a Part ll follow up?



  78. Anonymous said on 4 Mar 2010 at 8:15 pm:
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    This nation is not some damn free-for-all public access park for the world.

    How is this any different from stealing support bolts from key highway bridges? This isn’t petty theft or vandalism, it is sabotage and terrorism. The media has shrugged off an act of terrorism as simply a scavenging pair of naive pinheads “feeding their families” via theft. If citizens had committed this crime, they would have been branded “domestic terrorists”.

    There is plenty of scrap steel, including rail spikes lying around rail lines, that doesn’t have to be pulled out of operational train tracks. One obvious reason: Nobody wants it as it isn’t worth much as scrap.

    The damage done could have led to a serious, even fatal, accident. The two, via due process, could be charged with felonies for causing damage to critical public-service facilities.

    Fret over the “imminent” “backlash” war on illegals rounded up as war criminals and enemy combatants and held indefinitely. Due process deprived darlings.

    Sh*t. I’m already a Department of Homeland Security certified right wing extremist.

    Under anarcho-tyranny, criminals aren’t punished (which is why it’s anarchy), but the innocent are (which is why it’s tyranny).– Sam Francis

  79. Karla H said on 4 Mar 2010 at 8:24 pm:
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    “Illegal Aliens are the symptoms. The real problems are the politicians like Colgan and Congressman Wolf who allow the conditions to exist”

    Very wise words, Advocator.

    And a lot of great comments/info from Laurie-Anne Manel! Thank you Laurie-Anne!

    Laurie-Anne, I have some familiarity with Canada myself. Perhaps you could fill people in on Canada’s:
    1. tax rates
    2. health care (particularly the quotas which Michael Moore conveniently ignores)
    3. freedoms (or lack thereof)
    4. entrepreneurialism (or lack thereof)
    5. etc.

    You may recognize my “handle”. It is a tribute to the poorly enforced laws and political corruption that destroyed the Canada I knew.

  80. Kevin C said on 5 Mar 2010 at 6:37 am:
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    local gop said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:39 pm: “due process, for example, would be like an ins hearing for illegals…”

    WRONG !!!

    The idea that laws and legal proceedings must be fair. The Constitution guarantees that the government cannot take away a person’s basic rights to ‘life, liberty or property, without due process of law.’

    The CONSTITUTION doesn’t guarantee ILLEGALS ANYTHING !!!

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS should have NO rights under OUR U.S. Constitution !!!!

    ROUND ‘em up and SHIP ‘em out !!!!

  81. Advocator said on 5 Mar 2010 at 12:46 pm:
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    Kevin C:

    Your frustration with Illegal Invaders is understandable. But I offer these thoughts:

    1) One of the reasons this country is so attractive to aliens is its inherent economic strength

    2) This country’s inherent economic strength is based, in large part, on the Rule of Law, which means the application of our laws is predictable.

    3) The Constitution, through the 14th Amendment, is applicable to “All Persons.” Non-citizens, regardless of the status of their presence, are included, whether or not you and I approve of that inclusion.

    4) Treating illegal aliens, or anyone else, in other than a Constitutional manner will result in this Nation being less attractive to aliens, as well as to citizens like us. I have lived in countries that do not function by the Rule of Law. It ain’t pretty. I have no desire to see this Nation devolve down that path.

    5) The Illegal Invaders are allowed to invade because of the inaction of our politicians. They are the problem. The aliens are just like water and electricity. They’ll flow down a path of least resistance. They are only victims of politicians in both their own country and our country.

    6) The politicians who fail to address the Illegal Invasion are our Enemy. The illegal invaders are their pawns. Know your enemy. If you do not, you’ll fight the wrong battle.

  82. Kevin C said on 5 Mar 2010 at 1:02 pm:
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    Advocator said on 5 Mar 2010 at 12:46 pm: “The Illegal Invaders are allowed to invade because of the inaction of our politicians. They are the problem…The politicians who fail to address the Illegal Invasion are our Enemy.”

    I’ve been saying for a long, LONG time that, “Politicians don’t SOLVE problems, politicians FUND problems.”

  83. Anonymous said on 5 Mar 2010 at 5:28 pm:
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    Governments mass immigration policy: Remodel the social, cultural, economic, political fabric of nations.


    Indoctrinating Britons to condemn their own national identity and history. Sound familiar?

  84. Anonymous said on 5 Mar 2010 at 6:12 pm:
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    Pardon previous bad link:


    [Ed note: previous link fixed.]

  85. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 5 Mar 2010 at 7:37 pm:
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    Karla H:
    Your “handle” brings chills down my spine. I lived in the Guild and I knew Paul Bernado. Those are NOT memories I wish to revisit.

    And, even more frightening, the former CO of CFB Trenton who is charged (so far, more may be coming), with a double murder/sexual assault, may have KNOWN and socialized with Paul Bernado. It’s really bringing up some bad, bad memories. Please change your nickname !!


  86. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 5 Mar 2010 at 7:38 pm:
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    sorry “Bernardo” hands literally shaking while typing….

  87. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 5 Mar 2010 at 8:12 pm:
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    Karla H:
    I emigrated to the USA in 1994 so I’m not that up to date on what’s happening aside from what I chat with my parents about.

    Apparently my old nemesis from my advocacy days in Toronto,
    Jack Layton is causing all kinds of mayhem now that he’s at the Federal level. He and his partner, Olivia Chow, are true watermelons (Green on the Outside, Red on the Inside). Note he’s big on the climate change scam.


    As far as the “old” Canada, it still exists in the 705/905 belt.
    It’s still there. My parents fled the city and now reside in the “Sports Capital of the Kawarthas”, where the community comes together to find local solutions. People were losing their jobs; social assistance was on the rise — so much that the little island they live on was nicknamed “welfare island”, drugs were becoming a problem with the youngster, etc so something had to change.

    The banks were turning people down, so the little community gathered together and started up their own credit union. This is not a wealthy community, in fact, its quite poor.

    They started community-based funding out of their own pooled money in the CU and started hiring the local teens with good paying jobs to help them build job skills and opportunities. The CU trained them as tellers, the local bakery that started up hired; and so on.
    It’s taking on a life of its own; there is now talk of building a small hotel on the waterfront and running a hockey camp so that the tourist income continues into the winter.

    The local school board also has many other flexible options for parents. In rural Ontario, correspondence courses have always been an option, and the school district has expanded options for home
    schoolers. My daughter is enrolled as a homeschooling student through the Kawartha school board; she loves it. All of her lessons are online, she has a great relationship with her teachers who give her lots of individual attention, and she can get “help” either by e-mail or telephone or by a bulletin board chat room they set up for the kids.

    I was given an entire year in a box, including textbooks, workbooks, DVDS and an online learning account.

    She studies English (reading and writing/composition), French, Math, Science, Social Studies (history/geography), Music and Art. We also are studying music theory and Latin at home independently.

    As far as math goes, GMS refused to allow her to take advanced math (the whole math program here is a SCAM). In the correspondence program, the kids can advance at their own pace.
    She finished pre-algebra by Christmas (starting in Oct) (GMS had her on track to take pre-algebra NEXT year), has started Algebra I and will take Alebgra II/Trig next year …as an eight grader.

    GMS didn’t want her to “struggle”, but I guess with a 97.3% average, she’s doing okay.

    Our costs? 0$. You heard me. ZERO dollars. My parents are her “sponsors” through their property taxes there. We go back and forth between Ont & VA; Paige takes her school -in-a-box with her without missing a beat. Snow days? Didn’t slow us down !!

    For supplemental math, I asked my cousin-in-law who is a school administrator in a truly “World Class” school district (she has on the wall in her office a map with pins showing all the top-tier world universities she has gotten her kids into on FULL scholarship - Cambridge, Oxford, MIT, Berkeley…..not to mention top notch Canadian schools… and her school district is in a very poor part of the province without nearly as much money or advantages as PWCSB!)

    Remember, you can “buy” online math from PWCSB for $450. For one class.

    So, she recommended an online math program that was specifically developed for minority students as one of the “things that work” educational clearing house (that PWCSB should look into, but that’s another issue).

    It the I can Learn system.


    Now, remember …. PWCSB will charge you $450 for ONE course.

    I purchased a one year subscription to I CAN LEARN.
    I purchased the Math Fundamentals (equivalent to reg Gr 7 math in PWC), Pre-Algebra, Algebra I and Algebra II text/workbooks.
    My total bill for 4 textbooks and a subscription for one year was

    >>>>>> $369.90

  88. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 5 Mar 2010 at 8:35 pm:
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    Trouble in Paradise ….

    I am sending this woman MONEY $$$$$.

    Much like Rush had “Operation Chaos”, this woman needs our help!

    Kesha Rogers WON the Democratic Party primary as the nominee for TX-22.

    She is calling for the IMPEACHMENT of Obama among other things.

    Her website was up last night; Now it is “NOT FOUND”.

    They are worried.

    If they’re worried, it’s a good thing.

    I think Lyndon LaRouche is a complete nutcase, but anyone who starts asking tough questions of the Obama Admin has my support. The more we can help unwind the Dem party and cause dissent, the better.

    First, note:
    They’ve hacked her website in under 24 hrs!

    Here’s the statement from the Lyndon LaRouche HQ:


    FYI — Kesha is a black female LaRouche Democrat !!

  89. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 5 Mar 2010 at 8:59 pm:
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    My two older college kids are still in CA and fighting the good fight against the brainwashing of the far left in CA.

    They have convinced alot of their friends who were mindless Obama supporters to question that choice.

    I’ve sent them this link to distro as they see fit.

    I don’t like RAP music, but this is hilarious. I’ve also ordered my
    OTP bumpersticker. You should too !!

    This needs to go viral ….send it to all the college kids you know !!

    “Obama — One Term President” — by the Wolverines


  90. local gop said on 8 Mar 2010 at 4:46 pm:
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    you must be so devoid of intelligence that you are actually going to argue that it is ok to murder an illegal alien, because you did just say that they are not guaranteed anything…and by anything you specifically mentioned life. whether or not you choose to admit it, illegals are guaranteed due process in ins hearings, especially in feet dry cases.

  91. Anonymous said on 8 Mar 2010 at 8:39 pm:
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    The wet foot, dry foot policy is the name given to a consequence of the 1995 revision of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966 that essentially says that anyone who fled Cuba and got into the United States would be allowed to pursue residency a year later. After talks with the Cuban government, the Clinton administration came to an agreement with Cuba that it would stop admitting people found at sea.

    Since then, in what has become known as the “wet foot, dry foot” policy, any Cuban caught on the waters between the two nations (i.e., with “wet feet”) would summarily be sent home or to a third country. One who makes it to shore (”dry feet”) gets a chance to remain in the United States, and later would qualify for expedited “legal permanent resident” status and U.S. citizenship. All the while eligible for an array of welfare services made possible by the U.S. taxpayer.

    In the spring of 1980, Castro opened the west of Havana port of Mariel, and allowed foreign boats to take Cubans from the island. Castro emptied the country’s jails and mental hospitals to rid the island of “undesirables” and “counterrevolutionaries”—gays, the insane, drug addicts and criminals.
    The exodus ended in September 1980, after a U.S. Coast Guard and Naval blockade stopped the inflow of boats. But during the six months that the Mariel port was open, about 125,000 Cubans arrived in Miami.

    “This “wet foot-dry foot” act has done nothing but encourage Cubans to attempt illegal entry into the United States. Even after 9-11, when we clamped down on all people trying to penetrate our borders, illegally or under false pretenses, we still allow Cubans to enter illegally.
    The “wet foot-dry foot” act is sending a dangerous message to the Cuban people. We are telling Cubans, “if you can sneak past our Coast Guard and other law enforcement personnel, you can stay.” That is not immigration. That is illegal entry.”


    Abolition of the special preferences of the Cuban Adjustment Act.

    Revocation of status and benefits to ‘refugees’ who travel back-and-forth to their native countries.

  92. Wondering said on 8 Mar 2010 at 10:06 pm:
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    Does anyone know what the construction is that is happening at the bridge on Lomond Drive near Lomond South? There has been a bunch of trees cleared out of there and a lot of orange tape going up.

  93. Big Dog said on 9 Mar 2010 at 10:42 am:
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    Where Are They Now Department:

    Anyone know what happened to Steve Chapman?
    Is he still active in politics?
    Is he still trying to sue this blog?
    Is he still in the power wash biz and pimping his apartment?

    Just curious –

  94. Vigilant1 said on 10 Mar 2010 at 2:34 pm:
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    Wondering said on 8 Mar 2010 at 10:06 pm: Flag comment

    Does anyone know what the construction is that is happening at the bridge on Lomond Drive near Lomond South? There has been a bunch of trees cleared out of there and a lot of orange tape going up.

    At one time, a road from Godwin Dr. and Rt. 234 was supposed to continue on to somewhere in the Loch Lomand area (past that monstrosity barn that has been held up by braces close to 35 years.) It has been on hold. Maybe the county or VDOT is finally going to build it.

  95. Anonymous said on 10 Mar 2010 at 2:40 pm:
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    Anonymous said on 8 Mar 2010 at 8:39 pm: Flag comment

    The wet foot, dry foot policy is the name given to a consequence of the 1995 revision of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966 that essentially says that anyone who fled Cuba and got into the United States would be allowed to pursue residency a year later.

    And as a result, 99% of Miami’s population is Cuban. It is difficult to find an English as a first language person in the city. Pretty soon, it will be the same way in the entire country.

  96. Anonymous said on 10 Mar 2010 at 5:37 pm:
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    Greg and others,

    I want to have a landscaping company come to my home, to mow lawn weekly, etc. How do I make sure that they hire legal workers only? I have contacted one company and told them this is important to me, but what kind of verification tools do I have?


  97. Big Dog said on 11 Mar 2010 at 3:38 pm:
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    “Prince William County has turned over more than 2,000 suspected
    illegal immigrants to the federal government since July 2007,
    according to the county jail superintendent.”
    Washington Examiner

    Of course it is a regional detention center and not a “county jail”
    - suspect City of Manassas numbers are included in the 2,000.
    Anyway, a decent start on a huge problem.

  98. Anonymous said on 12 Mar 2010 at 7:12 am:
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    Virginia’s General Assembly has become the first state legislature to approve a measure that would block any federal efforts to institute health care reform.

    The legislation passed, 80-17, Wednesday in the House of Delegates, after having already made it through the Senate. The bill now heads to the desk of Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell, who has promised to sign it, The Associated Press reported.


    Way to go Virginia! Let’s hope many more states follow the example.

  99. Anonymous said on 12 Mar 2010 at 10:24 am:
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    Anonymous said on 10 Mar 2010 at 5:37 pm: Flag comment

    Greg and others,

    I want to have a landscaping company come to my home, to mow lawn weekly, etc. How do I make sure that they hire legal workers only? I have contacted one company and told them this is important to me, but what kind of verification tools do I have?


    When they show up for work, yell out “La Migre” and see who runs. :)

  100. Anonymous said on 12 Mar 2010 at 10:26 am:
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    Anonymous said on 12 Mar 2010 at 10:24 am: Flag comment

    Maybe that should be “El Migre.”

  101. Anonymous said on 13 Mar 2010 at 9:10 am:
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    You guys are no help at all. :-)

  102. Kevin C said on 15 Mar 2010 at 9:55 pm:
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    local gop said on 8 Mar 2010 at 4:46 pm:

    you must be so devoid of intelligence that you are actually going to argue that it is ok to murder an illegal alien, because you did just say that they are not guaranteed anything…and by anything you specifically mentioned life. whether or not you choose to admit it, illegals are guaranteed due process in ins hearings, especially in feet dry cases.

    local gop, hey BOZO !!!

    Here’s my post, in its’ entirety, YOU pick out the part where I, according to your SEVERELY DISTURBED OVERACTIVE IMAGINATION, “…argue that it is ok to murder an illegal alien…” and WHERE did I “specifically” mention life ???

    You’ve got to be on very, VERY sick individual !!!!

    Kevin C said on 5 Mar 2010 at 6:37 am:

    local gop said on 4 Mar 2010 at 3:39 pm: “due process, for example, would be like an ins hearing for illegals…”

    WRONG !!!

    The idea that laws and legal proceedings must be fair. The Constitution guarantees that the government cannot take away a person’s basic rights to ‘life, liberty or property, without due process of law.’

    The CONSTITUTION doesn’t guarantee ILLEGALS anything !!!

    ILLEGAL immirants should have NO rights under OUR U.S. Constitution !!!!

    ROUND ‘em up and SHIP ‘em out !!!!

    *** *** *** ***

    Local gop, how TOTALLY devoid of intelligence are YOU ???

    You can’t even follow a few SIMPLE sentences !!!


    TOO freakin’ STUPID to PAY ATTENTION !!!!

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