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By Greg L | 12 March 2010 | Uncategorized | 115 Comments

I’ll be back in town Sunday evening, and my travels haven’t allowed me to contribute to the political discussion in Virginia so far this week.  Regardless, my blackberry has been constantly buzzing with plenty of happenings in the General Assembly and local news that I wish I had the opportunity to highlight.  Until I’m back in the local loop, here’s a place to make sure your fellow BVBL readers aren’t missing out…



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115 Comments

  1. DPortM said on 13 Mar 2010 at 6:50 am:
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    Mexican drug cartels infiltrating U.S. Border Patrol

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4102363/new-concerns-in-bloody-border-battle

  2. Truth to Power said on 13 Mar 2010 at 11:03 am:
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    Two bills that may be of interest:

    HB 350 Distribution of handbills, etc.; grants Town of Herndon power to regulate and prohibit. Grants the Town of Herndon the power to regulate and prohibit distribution of handbills, etc., and solicitation of contributions, and sale of merchandise on highways located within its boundaries. The bill also adds the sale of services or attempted sale of services as a prohibited activity. This bill with Senate amendments passed both houses as of March 4, 2010 and will be enrolled and make its way to the Governor for signature.

    HB 513 Administrative impoundment of motor vehicles; when driving without an operator’s license. Provides for the administrative impoundment of motor vehicles when driving without an operator’s license. This bill passed the House (77-Y 19-N) on February 2. ‘2010 and was referred from the Senate Committee on Transportation (12-Y 0-N) to the Senate Courts of Justice Committee on February 11, 2010. This bill passed the Senate (35-Y 5-N) on Wednesday March 10, 2010. The House accepted the Senate substitute (77-Y 16-N) on March 11, 2010. Presuming the bill is not reconsidered, which is not expected, HB 513 will makes its way to the Governor for signature.

  3. Jack Slimp said on 13 Mar 2010 at 11:18 am:
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    Theory of Evolution is losing credibility

    Texas State Board of Education

    http://www.washingtontimesmail.com/inghkyzyvfpwpfcqwbkvywpkndwyymztbpvryqhnnzcgmg_mcsnpddtwcwc.html

    In a vote of 10-5, the board preliminarily adopted the new curriculum….teaching more about the weaknesses of evolutionary theory….

    Hats off to to the Texas State Board of Education!

  4. Conservative 2 said on 13 Mar 2010 at 11:27 am:
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    Tis not the first time Supervisor Principi overstepped his role.
    He insisteds having his say and using the County Employees as he wants for alot of personal endevours.

    He rules the newly formed Civic Association and with 10/12 people present has a take on how the Woodbridge Community wants certain things done. Who are these handful of citizens???

    Why does his staff spend their time doing up newsletters for the Civic Assoc.? Is this the way LOCA?PELT does it? I don’t think so.
    Why don’t we have an independent Association?All the announcements come out of the Supervisors office with his name and photo? How can this be a non-political civic association?

    This is how we get into messes and people don’t trust our officials.

    Perhaps the first thing in order is to eliminate all the aides or I should say for those who can not show the need for so many.!

    Afew people in an association can not run and tell the government what is needed.
    Meetings are not put out to all citizens.
    The last meeting ,the applicant said he mailed out 800 notices. That alot came back as we must have alot of vacant houses in Woodbridge. Well there were at least three citizens there that live near the project and they did not get a notice.
    There are always excuses, till it’s to late!

    This is not how a Government communicates with the citizens. And just what can we do about it.?

  5. Freedom said on 13 Mar 2010 at 12:40 pm:
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    Who in the heck does Principi think he is?? He’s a PART of PWC government; despite what he may think, he is NOT singularly the government of PWC!!

  6. told u so Sue said on 13 Mar 2010 at 1:19 pm:
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    hmmm . . . looks like ms. peacor was also a part of this nonsense as was our favorites in the department of public works, wasn’t this blog just talking about these folks relative to these kinds of issues a month ago as a real problem? maybe the supervisors should read this blog more often?

  7. Jack Slimp said on 13 Mar 2010 at 2:01 pm:
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    Evolution theory is losing credibility

    Texas State Board of Education

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/12/tx-adopts-more-conservative-social-studies-standar//print/

    In a vote of 10-5, the board preliminarily adopted the new curriculum….teaching more about the weaknesses of evolutionary theory

    Hats off to the Texas State Board of Education!

  8. Senator Scott Brown (RINO) said on 13 Mar 2010 at 3:18 pm:
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    This just in…dictator/terrorist hugo chavez to wed his homosexual c movie actor sean penn in DC this spring.

  9. David Rosier said on 13 Mar 2010 at 3:25 pm:
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    Ms. Peacor, police, CSB, DSS, public works, churches, ACTs, SERVE, Good Shepherd Housing and staff from Mays and Stewarts office all were there. Stewarts staff person even offered to contact a church to help. 67 people were living in a 33 bed facility owned and operated by the County. They resolved the problem with out costing tax payers any more money. What is the problem?

  10. Freedom said on 13 Mar 2010 at 4:12 pm:
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    The problem? Principi is NOT the government unto himself, that’s all….

  11. Mad Mom said on 13 Mar 2010 at 5:00 pm:
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    I have problem with the housing of homeless sex offenders in public buildings on my tax dime. A public and open process with the opportunity to hear the facts would have been nice, not to mention a vote if that was needed, now we have heresay and after-the-fact information with the usual suspects all present and accounted for, this is sadly the Prince William Way. Anyone looking forward to November 2011, I sure am.

  12. David Rosier said on 13 Mar 2010 at 5:24 pm:
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    The County has been housing homeless people at the winter shelter for over 15 years. Every year the number increases. There are more homeless veterans livng there than sex offenders.

  13. Dave in PWC said on 13 Mar 2010 at 7:14 pm:
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    So if the governor signs HB 513 into law that means that when the county stops an illegal alien without a drivers license that the county will have a stockpile of Hondas? What do they have to do to get the car out of impound?

  14. BristowBristling said on 13 Mar 2010 at 9:38 pm:
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    Interesting issue on the homeless shelter. If PWC taxpayer money is used to fund the shelter, what checks and balances are being put into place to ensure that those in the shelter are actually from PWC and do not have violent or deviant criminal histories? It is my understanding that other Counties require some type of identification that shows an affiliation of some sort with the County. It is also my understanding that PWC does not do this and therefore many of the homeless using the shelter are not from PWC. Why not ensure that those who, through some misfortune in need of shelter, are from this area, are here legally, and are not potentially posing a threat to the others using the facility? It would certainly cut down on the numbers.

    Perhaps Mr. Principi should take a look at working the overcrowding from this perspective.

  15. local gop said on 13 Mar 2010 at 9:56 pm:
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    does anyone have any FACTS on exactly who is being housed? how many ’sex offenders’? of are people just jumping to some unfounded conclusions?

  16. Anonymous said on 14 Mar 2010 at 4:04 am:
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    Dave in PWC

    The bill does not mention immigrations status so ANYONE who is stopped for driving without a license after already having been convicted of that offense at least once before can have their Honda (or any other car) impounded.

    This is an impoundment not a seizure so the County will NOT have a stockpile of cars.

    To get one’s car back one could obtain a valid license or wait 3 days and pay the towing storage fees to the towing company.

    California and Arizona are much stricter on this offense but HB513 will go a long way toward making our roads safer.

  17. Dave in PWC said on 14 Mar 2010 at 7:14 am:
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    Anonymous,

    Where did you get the info someone already convicted at least once and how they get the vehicle back?

    I seem to recall back in 2008 that Chief Deane stats showed over 12,000 tickets issued for driving without a license. I’m wondering if the impound yard will have enough room. At least this is a positive revenue source for the county and maybe it will keep illegals off the roads for a spell.

  18. Truth to Power said on 14 Mar 2010 at 8:54 am:
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    Dave in PWC

    The details are unimportant and just the following message will be sufficient:

    Alerta … conduce un coche sin licencia y la policía se llevará su coche.

  19. DPortM said on 14 Mar 2010 at 9:54 am:
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    How to put Americans back to work? Enforce the immigration laws!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgK2AlN3Hiw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_jjDABMmPA

  20. DPortM said on 14 Mar 2010 at 9:55 am:
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    Truth to Power - will you please translate your 8:54 am post?

  21. Cynic said on 14 Mar 2010 at 11:20 am:
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    Going to guess that it says something like: Lookout, drive your car without a license and the police will take your car.

  22. local gop said on 14 Mar 2010 at 11:49 am:
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    HMMM…

    If college level spanish will come in handy for once, I think it translates into:

    “Alert….drive a car without a license and the police will take your car.”

  23. Anonymous said on 14 Mar 2010 at 12:25 pm:
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    Dave in PWC

    That information comes right from the bill:
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?101+ful+HB513S1

    This won’t be a revenue for source for the county but will make the roads safer.

  24. chicko said on 14 Mar 2010 at 4:47 pm:
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    principi is a moron, the only thing I’m “aghast” about is the fact this idiot got himself elected, guess the hispanics came out in force for him. I doubt he’ll get a second shot at the apple next election, we’ve seen his true colors and we really need to put the barg legacy behind us and move on to someone who really gives a crap about Woodbridge vice his beloved illegal aliens.

  25. benton said on 14 Mar 2010 at 5:57 pm:
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    Principi over stepped his bounds. Stewart over stated the problem.

    “kick out the kids at the Ferlazzo Building and replace them with homeless sex offenders.”

    It’s like having a nine year old behind the wheel of the car and a Dudley do good with a checkbook full of other peoples money. Both are tiresome.

  26. Dave in PWC said on 14 Mar 2010 at 9:25 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    Thank you for the hyperlink. You are correct the roads will be safer for sure. We’ll see how many vehicles are impounded when the law goes into effect. Be interesting if Ricky and the Mexicans without Trousers march on this issue…

  27. Woodbridge said on 15 Mar 2010 at 8:51 am:
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    Well, we in Woodbridge would like to thank Steve Keen for this entire debacle. A very strong and capable candidate ran in ‘07 and, thanks to Mr. Keen, we are stuck with Hilda Barg, the sequel. Let’s hope Keen is done with politics and Woodbridge can find another candidate to end Principi’s nonsense!!!!!

  28. Cynic said on 15 Mar 2010 at 9:27 am:
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    Dave,

    Would it surprise you if the illegals got a pass on this? (Driving without a license.)

    And if they do, the roads will not be safer, they will be more dangerous.

  29. DPortM said on 15 Mar 2010 at 10:58 am:
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    Cynic - it wouldn’t surprise me if Deane failed to advise his officers of this new law so that the illegals will get a pass in PWC.

  30. Conservative 2 said on 15 Mar 2010 at 11:23 am:
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    I agree with Woodbridge. We do not need a Steve Keen! He goes back quite away in resigning from the Repb. Committee. All to support a Democrat(Hilda Barg).He told many people that she was going to support him(Keen) when she retired.HaHa. She supported Principi and Principi is just like her. She was clever in hiding things but Principi is dumb and he is caught everytime. We do not need this type as a Supervisor.

    Hopefully we will get a good,honest person to run and the person will walk the beat and put some effort into winning. You can’t sit back and assume because your a Repb. you will win. Remember what assume does.?

    Woodbridge has not had a willing ,working candidate for sometime. Now is the time!

  31. Casanova Frankenstein said on 15 Mar 2010 at 11:33 am:
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    Conservative 2 — Greg knows of just such a candidate, but for a few reasons that will become apparent later, that candidate has to remain under the radar for the time being.

  32. Woodbridge said on 15 Mar 2010 at 12:04 pm:
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    Does anyone recall the Republican that ran against Principi??

  33. MPresident said on 15 Mar 2010 at 12:38 pm:
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    Concering MP, Mosher had a charge dropped. Also another dozen layoffs on the way in the city.

  34. ... said on 15 Mar 2010 at 2:29 pm:
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    City Council ought to lay themselves off, or at least forgo pay for this year.

  35. me said on 15 Mar 2010 at 3:57 pm:
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    Woodbridge,

    The Republicans name that ran in Woodbridge is Chris Royse.

  36. Dave in PWC said on 15 Mar 2010 at 4:56 pm:
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    Cynic,

    Well perhaps we should write letters to the editor and personally to Chief Dean asking what his plan is to train his officers on the new laws. I would hope that someone will ask that question during public session at the county meetings after the governor signs the bill.

    If we get the illegals and drunks off the roads we will all be safer out there. There should be a bill that requires you to show a valid drivers license to register a car in this state.

  37. Citizen12 said on 15 Mar 2010 at 5:46 pm:
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    So who will gain the most from HB513? The people running the impound lots as they, and not the jurisdiction, will be collecting the impound fees.

    And they can only keep the vehicle up to 30 days, and only if it is the offender’s vehicle and you can petition to get it back and yada, yada, yada.

    As this only applies to repeat offenders driving on suspended or revoked permits it falls short of solving the problem at its core. The first time offender convicted of driving without a license is usually told to pay the $40.00 fine and get a license. The odds of being caught and the penalty so minor, once again there is not much of a deterrent or incentive to comply with the laws of Virginia.

    Seems like a lot of work for such little gain.
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-301.1

  38. Love the U.S.A. said on 15 Mar 2010 at 6:42 pm:
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    Why is it always up to the government to take care of people. If the churches in the area wouldn’t spend all of their time and money fighting to help illegal aliens circumvent immigration laws, maybe they could help the homeless instead!

  39. Love the U.S.A. said on 15 Mar 2010 at 6:49 pm:
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    This is for all of the illegal alien apologists that tell you illegals pay taxes. Just good honest folks trying to make a living. Yeah by scaming our government. Wonder why our taxes keep going up?

    Fraud & abuse: earned income tax credit by unlawful immigrants
    By Frosty Wooldridge, March 9, 2010
    http://beforeitsnews.com/news/23571/Fraud_abuse:_earned_income_tax_credit_by_unlawful_immigrants.html

    Your U.S. Congress participates in and supports one of THE most fraudulent taxpayer abuse schemes ever concocted within the Federal Government. It’s time the administration put its foot down rather than allow millions of unlawful immigrants to step onto American soil—while soaking billions out of the U.S. Treasury.

    Since the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) became part of the income tax code in 1975, it has quietly become the largest cash transfer program in the United States . At a cost of more than $44 billion per year, EITC spending dwarfs that of the traditional welfare program—Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)—and food stamps combined. More than 23 million households currently receive the credit.

    Edwin Rubenstein exposed one of the most dramatic tax frauds ever on the American taxpayer: “Defrauding the American taxpayer”, Volume 19, Number 3, spring 2009, www.thesocialcontract.com , “The Earned Income Tax Credit and Illegal Immigration - A Study in Fraud, Abuse, and Liberal Activism.”
    “From 1985 to 2006, EITC payments grew from $2.1 billion to $44.4 billion, or by an eye-popping 2,014 percent,” Rubenstein said. “Total federal income tax revenues rose by 217 percent over that same period. Similarly, the number of returns claiming the EITC rose from 6.4 million to 23 million—an increase of 255 percent—over a period when the total number of federal income tax returns increased by 36 percent.

    “More than one in four immigrant households received the EITC in 2000—nearly twice the 13.2 percent rate of households headed by Native Americans. And because immigrant households are larger via higher fertility, their EITC payments are larger than those received by native households.

    “Bottom line: Immigrants accounted for about 13 percent of the U.S. population in 2008 but receive an estimated 26 percent of EITC benefits—about $12 billion.”

    The most distressing aspect of EITC stems from unlawful immigrants tapping into the program on a massive scale. For example, in Greeley , Colorado this year, district attorney Buck Young raided a tax filing agency to find over 1,000 fraudulent returns by unlawful workers. While they paid little or nothing in taxes, they received hundreds of thousands in bogus returns. That same scam multiplies all over the country.

    “Tax relief” goes to people who never paid a cent in taxes, and may have already defrauded the government of huge sums each year. “EITC scams are common, well-organized, and massive,” Rubenstein writes in the report. EITC ranks second out of 57 government programs in fraudulent payments.

    “But enthusiasm for the credit has blinded policy makers to its problems. The EITC program is dominated by fraud. Year after year about one-third of all EITC returns are based on illegal multiple returns, phony Social Security numbers, or claims of non-existent children or spouses. A disproportionate share of illegal alien households receives the benefit.

    “ Washington ’s love affair with the EITC has allowed the minimum wage to decline in real value. Native workers have suffered as a result. So have labor unions. In effect, the EITC subsidizes employers who hire low-wage immigrants and reject equally qualified natives. No one should be surprised; therefore, that Wal-mart, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and most liberal activist groups are major EITC supporters.

    “For most poor families, the tax credit check is the largest single sum of money they will receive during the year. Most receive it after filing income taxes. But some need the money immediately, and they can get it—for a price. A niche financial sector thrives by lending EITC recipients immediate cash in return for a hefty chunk of their credit check. The cost to the poor of these so-called Refund Anticipation Loans (RALs) has been estimated at 6 percent of the entire EITC program.

    “Widespread availability of high-interest RALs made poor borrowers easy marks for sub-prime mortgage hucksters. The resulting defaults have pushed the entire economy to the brink of collapse. While the sub-prime story is well known, few are aware of the EITC’s role in introducing the poor to the culture of debt.”

    Has the EITC lived up to its hype? In answering this, consider the following:

    The EITC originated as an anti-poverty program; the number of the returns claiming EITC benefits rose 25 times faster than the poverty population over the past two decades.

    EITC benefits rise sharply with parenthood; poverty rates for families with children have risen faster than those for childless families since the credit was created.

    The EITC is the most illegal-immigrant friendly of poverty programs; illegal immigrants constitute a far larger share of the poverty population now.

    Implication: The EITC is a textbook case of unintended consequences. Our economic meltdown may be among them.

    “The current federal EITC provides large benefits to families with children, mostly single mothers, and minimal benefits to singles, even though declining wages have affected all low-income workers. These disparities create disincentives to work in the formal labor market and for poor men and women to marry, cohabitate, and co-parent,” said Rubenstein.

    “President Obama’s stimulus package increased EITC payments by $600 for poor families with three or more children, while leaving the program’s perverse disincentives intact. This will merely exacerbate the credit’s bias against work and marriage.”

    “The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is the largest anti-poverty program in the United States - and the most illegal-immigrant friendly,” explains Edwin Rubenstein, author of the new report. “In 2007, more than 23 million households received more than $47 billion in the EITC payments.”

    Finally, “The EITC is the most accessible of the major entitlement programs and used by more people than food stamps and welfare (TANF)* combined. A related tax credit, the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) is available to illegal immigrants even if they do not have a valid Social Security number.”

    Ed Rubenstein, Financial analyst and economist, who is President of ESR Research; formerly he was with the W. R. Grace Company, the Manhattan Institute and the Hudson Institute.

    To take action: First and foremost, join www.numbersusa.com and become one of nearly a million Americans making impact with pre-written faxes and phone calls to change immigration policies toward a stable future. Bi-partisan and highly effective!

  40. legal2 said on 15 Mar 2010 at 7:04 pm:
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjiqkwstVQ

    Bob Marshall introduced/sponsored bill to fight Fed’s mandatory healthcare. 34 other states have the laws pending passage. Thanks, Bob!!

  41. Conservative 2 said on 15 Mar 2010 at 7:32 pm:
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    For your Info.
    Royse was the one who ran in 07 but I believe there was an Independent who ran!Then before that another Repb. ran but neither of them put alot of effort out and the local Committee did not help much.

    I hope Greg does have a good energetic person to run. I hope it’s not one of those who has run before,as it won’t work.Also hope it’s not a Party Player,who jumps around.

    It is best to keep it quiet as long as possible.

    Principi should not be hard to beat if one keeps a record of all his stupid ideas.

  42. Gridlock said on 16 Mar 2010 at 8:08 am:
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    Sheriff Joe Arpaio to run for Governor of Arizona?

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/elections/joe-arpaio-governor-3-15-2010

  43. Casanova Frankenstein said on 16 Mar 2010 at 11:24 am:
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    Conservative 2 — no, this person has not run before nor is this person a “Party Player” who jumps around.

  44. Kevin C said on 16 Mar 2010 at 12:17 pm:
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    Love the U.S.A. said on 15 Mar 2010 at 6:49 pm: “Your U.S. Congress participates in and supports one of THE most fraudulent taxpayer abuse schemes ever concocted within the Federal Government.”

    Once again (I’ve said this SO many times), “Politicians don’t SOLVE problems, politicians FUND problems !”

    Politicians have LONG forgotten the needs and interests of American tax payers and serve nothing but their own GIANT egos !!!

  45. WhereItIs said on 16 Mar 2010 at 1:04 pm:
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    Want to have some fun? Go take a look at this thread on the other site and see how they run with some story designed to make Ken Cucinelli look bad - http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2010/03/15/omg-virginia-ag-cuccinelli-a-closted-birther/ . You’ve got a small group of conservatives trying to fight off the left wingers over there - and it is just crazy what the loons over there are saying.

  46. Patty said on 16 Mar 2010 at 2:23 pm:
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    WhereItIs,

    Ken Cuccinelli is a Christian. He is a conservative who is pro life and believes that marraige is between one man and one woman (Matthew 19:4-6). It is not surprising that he is constantly attacked on the Anti-Christian blog (Romans 1:18-32…gossips are included in the list).

  47. Anonymous said on 16 Mar 2010 at 2:42 pm:
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    Love the U.S.A. said on 15 Mar 2010 at 6:49 pm:

    “This is for all of the illegal alien apologists that tell you illegals pay taxes. Just good honest folks trying to make a living. Yeah by scaming our government.”

    Our government is doing the scamming wealth distribution on this one.

  48. Tillie said on 16 Mar 2010 at 3:53 pm:
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    Gridlock

    77 yrs old and running for governor. Amazing! Will he demand that those opposing him will wear pink underwear, I wonder? And eat baloney sandwiches?

  49. Kevin C said on 16 Mar 2010 at 3:57 pm:
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    WhereItIs said on 16 Mar 2010 at 1:04 pm: “…it is just crazy what the loons over there are saying.”

    What do you expect from people who (and I think this describes the Left Wing LUNATICS in a NUT-shell) demonstrate against using plastic bags but, flushing a BABY down the toilet is O.K. with them ???!!!???

  50. es_la_ley said on 16 Mar 2010 at 7:13 pm:
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    WhereItIs said on 16 Mar 2010 at 1:04 pm:

    Want to have some fun? Go take a look at this thread on the other site and see how they run with some story designed to make Ken Cucinelli look bad

    The hens that run that roost are a few eggs shy of a full clutch, if you get my drift. ;-)

    You’ve got a small group of conservatives trying to fight off the left wingers over there - and it is just crazy what the loons over there are saying.

    Lost cause.

  51. Patty said on 16 Mar 2010 at 8:28 pm:
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    I got the following from a friend:

    “I’m 63 and I’m Tired” (by Robert A. Hall)

    I’m 63. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce, and a six-month period when I was between jobs (but job-hunting every day), I’ve worked, hard, since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven’t called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there’s no retirement in sight, and I’m tired. Very tired.

    I’m tired of being told that I have to “spread the wealth” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.

    I’m tired of being told that I have to pay more taxes to “keep people in their homes.” Sure, if they lost their jobs or got sick, I’m willing to help. But if they bought Mc Mansions at three times the price of our paid-off, $250,000 condo, on one-third of my salary, then let the left-wing Congress-critters who passed Fannie and Freddie and the Community Reinvestment Act that created the bubble, help them with their own money.

    I’m tired of being told how bad America is by left-wing millionaires like Michael Moore, George Soros and Hollywood entertainers who live in luxury because of the opportunities America offers. In thirty years, if they get their way, the United States will have the economy of Zimbabwe , the freedom of the press of China , the crime and violence of Mexico , the tolerance for Christian people of Iran , and the freedom of speech of Venezuela .

    I’m tired of being told that Islam is a “Religion of Peace,” when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family “honor;” of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers;” of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for “adultery;” of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls, all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to.

    I think it’s very cool that we have a black president, and that a black child is doing her homework at the desk where Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation. I just wish the black president was Condi Rice, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams or someone who believes more in freedom and the individual, and less arrogantly of an all-knowing government.

    I’m tired of a news media that thinks Bush’s fundraising and inaugural expenses were obscene, but that thinks Obama’s, at triple the cost, were wonderful; that thinks Bush exercising daily was a waste of presidential time, but Obama exercising is a great example for the public to control weight and stress; that picked over every line of Bush’s military records, but never demanded that Kerry release his; that slammed Palin, with two years as governor, for being too inexperienced for VP, but touted Obama, with three years as senator, as potentially the best president ever. Wonder why people are dropping their subscriptions or switching to Fox News? Get a clue. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000, but the media and Kerry drove me to his camp in 2004.

    I’m tired of being told that out of “tolerance for other cultures,” we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and madrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in America , while no American group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance.

    I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate. My wife and I live in a two-bedroom apartment and carpool together five miles to our jobs. We also own a three-bedroom condo, where our daughter and granddaughter live. Our carbon footprint is about 5% of Al Gore’s, and if you’re greener than Gore, you’re green enough.

    I’m tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off? I damn sure think druggies chose to take drugs. And I’m tired of harassment from cool people treating me like a freak when I tell them I never tried marijuana.

    I’m tired of illegal aliens being called “undocumented workers,” especially the ones who aren’t working, but are living on welfare or crime. What’s next? Calling drug dealers “Undocumented Pharmacists?” And, no, I’m not against Hispanics. Most of them are Catholic, and it’s been a few hundred years since Catholics wanted to kill me for my religion. I’m willing to fast-track for citizenship any Hispanic person who can speak English, doesn’t have a criminal record, and who is self-supporting without family on welfare, or who serves honorably for three years in our military. Those are the citizens we need.

    I’m tired of latte liberals and journalists, who would never wear the uniform of the Republic themselves, or let their entitlement-handicapped kids near a recruiting station, trashing our military. They and their kids can sit at home, never having to make split-second decisions under life and death circumstances, and bad-mouth better people than themselves. Do bad things happen in war? You bet. Do our troops sometimes misbehave? Sure. Does this compare with the atrocities that were the policy of our enemies for the last fifty years and still are? Not even close. So here’s the deal. I’ll let myself be subjected to all the humiliation and abuse that was heaped on terrorists at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo, and the critics can let themselves be subject to captivity by the Muslims, who tortured and beheaded Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, or the Muslims who tortured and murdered Marine Lt. Col. William Higgins in Lebanon, or the Muslims who ran the blood-spattered Al Qaeda torture rooms our troops found in Iraq, or the Muslims who cut off the heads of schoolgirls in Indonesia, because the girls were Christian. Then we’ll compare notes. British and American soldiers are the only troops in history that civilians came to for help and handouts, instead of hiding from in fear.

    I’m tired of people telling me that their party has a corner on virtue, and the other party has a corner on corruption. Read the papers; bums are bipartisan. And I’m tired of people telling me we need bipartisanship. I live in Illinois , where the “Illinois Combine” of Democrats has worked to loot the public for years. Not to mention the tax cheats in Obama’s Cabinet.

    I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.

    Speaking of poor, I’m tired of hearing people with air-conditioned homes, color TVs and two cars called poor. The majority of Americans didn’t have that in 1970, but we didn’t know we were “poor.” The poverty pimps have to keep changing the definition of poor to keep the dollars flowing.

    I’m real tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.

    Yes, I’m damn tired. But I’m also glad to be 63 Because, mostly, I’m not going to have to see the world these people are making. I’m just sorry for my granddaughter.

    (Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts State Senate.)

  52. charles said on 16 Mar 2010 at 9:25 pm:
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    anyone been to moonhowlings.net? it’s so ghey…..

  53. WhereItIs said on 17 Mar 2010 at 7:31 am:
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    Now over there they are blasting Catholics for having pedophile priests and for conducting exorcisms. What next? The site is anti-Catholic, pro-illegal-immigrant, and very socialist!

  54. WhereItIs said on 17 Mar 2010 at 12:55 pm:
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    Over at the other site - they are trying to portray themselves as not being liberal and that they are a moderate blog. Now if you believe that I’ll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge!

    The new funny post of the day belongs to http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2010/03/17/the-way-things-are/

    Also, they’ve got their panties all up in a bunch about some things Stewart said about their silly Coffee Party - as if he’s gone and offended a huge percentage of the county residents! That’s even funnier, since the Coffee Party consists of a few radical loonies here in the county - who wouldn’t have voted for Corey Stewart if he was the only candidate running! So what? He offended them! Oh the horror of it all!

  55. Cynic said on 17 Mar 2010 at 2:20 pm:
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    WhereItIs,

    “Over at the other site - they are trying to portray themselves as not being liberal and that they are a moderate blog. Now if you believe that I’ll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge!”

    Cultural relativism.

  56. Anonymous said on 17 Mar 2010 at 3:35 pm:
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    WhereItIs,

    “Over at the other site - they are trying to portray themselves as not being liberal and that they are a moderate blog. Now if you believe that I’ll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge!”

    Cultural relativism.

    Remember the old saying……a wolf can’t change it’s spots. Well, a dolphin can’t either. Moonhowler/Dolph same, same. :)

  57. Johnson said on 17 Mar 2010 at 3:37 pm:
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?st=the%20wage%20thieves&

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/16/AR2010031604324.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/16/AR2010031604217.html

    Looks like the WashPo has been tasked with ramping up the illegal alien sob stories in advance of an Obama administartion push for amnesty. I’m just sayin’…

  58. Anonymous said on 17 Mar 2010 at 3:37 pm:
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    Now over there they are blasting Catholics for having pedophile priests and for conducting exorcisms. What next? The site is anti-Catholic, pro-illegal-immigrant, and very socialist!

    You are sooooooo correct!

  59. legal2 said on 17 Mar 2010 at 4:11 pm:
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    http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/6-men-charged-with-raping-va-woman-031710 FoxNews@5 advised that most, if not all, of the 6 men charged so far are believed to be ILLEGAAL AALIENS. Thanks, Maryland, for putting out the welcome mat. Oh, and their names are hispaanic (but let’s not jump to conclusions).

  60. chicko said on 17 Mar 2010 at 4:18 pm:
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    elena is big on the coffee party thing, it’s fitting because it’s so ghey…so are the 9500 liberty homo’s…

  61. Cynic said on 17 Mar 2010 at 4:21 pm:
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    legal2,

    Not to worry. Would bet that the One Dumpy Co. liberals will come to their defense by donating cash and legal services. Justice, justice!

    BTW, the CIS is issuing a Report on the SPLC - the Left Wing Hate Group. Think it may already be out, if not, it will be in a day or two.

  62. MoonHowlingIsForGays said on 17 Mar 2010 at 4:53 pm:
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    chicko - apparently it’s all right for homo’s to be on their website - they just kicked off the few remaining conservatives on there because they didn’t like what they said.

  63. Vast Right Wing said on 17 Mar 2010 at 5:03 pm:
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    Gainesville filmmakers spark new political movement
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    By Dan Roem
    Source: Gainesville Times
    TUESDAY, MARCH 16 2010 http://www.gainesville-times.com/news/2010/mar/16/gainesville-filmmakers-spark-new-political-movemen/
    What may seem like the latest national political phenomenon is old hat for veterans of the 2007 fight over illegal immigration in Prince William County.
    Two of the center figures in the Coffee Party movement, which featured 392 host meetings across the country last Saturday, are Gainesville documentary makers Annabel Park and Eric Byler.
    Their claim to fame locally came from producing the “9500 Liberty” video series three years ago as the two unabashedly progressive filmmakers followed the debate about the county’s policies toward illegal immigrants.
    Their work culminated in a full-length film that stirred up controversy from the left and right.
    Park’s Feb. 21 Facebook post lamenting the state of decorum in national politics sparked responses from dozens of her friends. As a result, Park created an alternative to the Tea Party movement, which she and others claim does not represent how most citizens feel about the federal government.
    “Well, the really cool thing about it is a lot of people have stepped forward to take the lead in Prince William County,” said Byler during a phone interview Sunday.
    One of the stated purposes of the movement is to encourage “deliberation guided by reason amongst the many viewpoints held by our members,” according to the Coffee Party USA Web site. That’s done while bringing people together over a cup of coffee, tea or another drink of choice.
    Saying Prince William County is at the “heart” of the national movement, Byler explained that one of the lessons he took from three years ago is “whether you’re a Republican or a Democrat, it’s natural to become afraid when people vilify you (and) attack you.”
    He took both sides of the immigration issue to task for using buzz words like “socialist” or “racist” to describe their opposition, though the self-described Democrat particularly singled out hardcore conservatives who he said would consider any non-conservative a “radical socialist communist.”
    “All of these tactics are part of what I would call an insurgency view toward democracy,” he said. “Then you’re forced to use these insurgency tactics (like) screaming, yelling and claims that aren’t true. What happened in Prince William County is our community became infected, really toxified by hyper-partisan discord.”
    Manassas resident and retired SAIC vice president Alan Alborn has joined the movement. Alborn hadn’t taken a leadership role in the illegal immigration debate, though he did speak out.
    “To be honest with you, 2007 was kind of scary times,” he said, adding that he felt “a little bit intimidated.”
    Byler, meanwhile, is an example of the disillusionment of the political left following the 2008 election and the rise of the national Tea Party movement, which focuses on limited government.
    “You know, I wasn’t even paying that much attention because I was so disgusted with politics that I didn’t even vote,” he said of the 2009 election, noting that he was out of the area on Election Day and never bothered to fill out an absentee ballot.
    The 25 people who came to the Prince William County meeting March 13 at the Haymarket Town Hall included Libertarians like Alan Alborn and Republicans like Haymarket Town Council member Bob Weir.
    The meeting also included those like Elena Schlossberg, who skewed left in the 2007 immigration debate, though she was initially a supporter of Board of County Supervisors Chairman Corey Stewart (R).
    Despite its call for civility in political discourse, not everyone is buying into the movement, particularly Stewart.
    “The Coffee Partiers are a bunch of fruitcakes,” Stewart told the Times on Sunday. “Yeah, they’re a bunch of nuts. If they’re going to be a coffee party, they’ll be a hazelnut party.”
    Stewart elaborated, saying the Coffee Party is “just a phase; it’ll disappear.”
    He derided Byler, whose 2007 films portrayed Stewart as being a right-wing ideologue, asking at one point, “Does (Byler) have a job?”
    Byler said he does not have a full-time job but has earned income from college speaking engagements during the last couple years after striking it rich in Los Angeles making romantic dramas from 2002 to 2006.
    Stewart described the Tea Partiers as patriots “concerned about the direction of the country and about the vast amount of spending that happening.” He called the Tea Party a “legitimate movement” while saying the Coffee Party is “just a load of crap.”
    When asked to respond to the inevitable accusation that his comments are the type of discourse Coffee Party participants are fighting against, Stewart replied, “It’s more important to be honest than polite.”
    Byler responded by saying, “I think we can be both polite and honest. And I think the consequences of losing our composure in the public arena are just too great to accept the leadership of people who no longer uphold the centuries-old decorum that we expected from our leaders.”
    Alborn found Stewart’s comments surprising because Stewart appointed him to the county’s budget committee.
    “That’s interesting,” said Alborn, who helped coordinate the Saturday event. “I see him often. I’ll let him know I’m one of the nuts.”
    One person who has bridged a middle ground between Stewart and Byler before is Supervisor Marty Nohe (R-Coles). He appeared in Byler’s 2007 film as a voice of moderation and served as an unofficial narrator for the immigration story.
    Speaking of the Coffee Party, Nohe took pains to put his thoughts into words that would express his views about Stewart’s comments while avoiding political discord.
    Pausing for at least 30 seconds before speaking, Nohe said, “I would hope that as a community, we would always be respectful of the opinions of those with whom we disagree because I believe that for every person who speaks up and gives us the opportunity to say that they’re crazy, there are 10 others who may choose not to speak up because they may fear that they too will be called crazy.”
    He added, “I never want to create an environment where people are afraid to speak up because they think their government will say that they’re crazy. We’re always better off welcoming new ideas, especially the ones we disagree with.”
    According to Schlossberg, the sentiment at Town Hall Saturday “was really just a sense overall of being left out. There was a sense of renewed, I think, energy and hope, like you didn’t just have to throw your hands up in the air and say it’s just all too much, it’s not worth trying anymore. I think there was a sense where this is a place people can come and don’t have to agree.”
    Among the issues discussed were health care, campaign finance reform, education, those influencing government, the definition of public service and the media.
    Alborn said he expects three or four smaller groups to begin meeting across the county in the weeks to come.
    “It’s not just about an issue,” said the Haymarket resident Schlossberg, who served as a media contact. “It’s about really creating a new paradigm.”

  64. anon said on 17 Mar 2010 at 8:24 pm:
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    Anyone have any inside info on what is going on with the Dumfries PD? Everything is so cryptic.

  65. Groveton said on 17 Mar 2010 at 8:53 pm:
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    Barack Obama reminds me of … Herbert Hoover …

    http://grovetonsvirginia.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/barack-hussein-hoover/

  66. legal2 said on 17 Mar 2010 at 9:27 pm:
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    Erricbyler on myspace indicates “children - someday” Hey, ERric, Anabell’s not getting any younger - make an honest woman of her?

    A new paradigm, Elena? It’s the same old tired, worn marxist theory crap wrapped in a new paper bag.

  67. ... said on 18 Mar 2010 at 1:16 am:
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    No, Byler does not have a job. Trust fund kiddies don’t need one.

  68. chicko said on 18 Mar 2010 at 1:19 am:
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    that article is awesome, love corey’s comments they were so true. Elena is just looking for something to get her name out there, obviously just a stay at home mom looking for something to do during the day. It’s been proven over and over so that’s old news.

    Byler and crew…well, what could be said that already has not! struck it rich making romantic drama’s? yeah right….

    I still think annabel park looks like a muppet, nothing will ever change my mind on that one. Everytime I see a picture of her I keep expecting kermit the frog to pop up in it…

    this coffee party crap is just another name for people who need something to do, when the get bored they’ll be on to something else

  69. Oh No! said on 18 Mar 2010 at 8:51 am:
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    Elena, in expressing her sentiments, hit the nail on the head. She and her ilk are upset about “being left out”. They are always following, criticizing. They never lead. We have the TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already), so they have to form the “Coffee Party”. They didn’t like the fact that Greg took the lead with BVBL, so they had to form “Anti-BVBL”. What did their efforts produce? Nothing. It was just a forum for them to bitch and moan about the opposition. 9500 Liberty? Did it really accomplish anything more than make Eric and Annabel liberal press darlings? No. The crackdown continues. Annabel thinks that the TEA Party doesn’t represent the views of mainstream Americans? Perhaps she should step outside her little echo chamber and read a few polls. I agree with Corey’s assessment: They will accomplish nothing. Just like Mexicans Without Borders accomplished nothing. They’ll make a little noise, get a few whiney libs to “talk amongst themselves” etc. However, they will not capture the initiative, because they never take the initiative. They don’t lead. They follow. They operate by consensus. They don’t know the heart of Mr. & Mrs. America. They will get run over, and will be nothing more than a punchline in a joke.

  70. Oh No! said on 18 Mar 2010 at 8:54 am:
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    PS…Annabel is a communist. Elena and Eric communist sympathizers. Kathrine Gothart is just a kook, and Alana is confused. Moonhowler is just a nasty old ex-teacher who has nothing better to with her life, except bash conservatives. There is the lineup of your PWC Coffee Party Team.

  71. Gurduloo said on 18 Mar 2010 at 9:05 am:
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    What we need is more namecalling.

  72. FED UP said on 18 Mar 2010 at 9:23 am:
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    Oh No! said on 18 Mar 2010 at 8:54 am:

    I agree with you 100%!

  73. Cynic said on 18 Mar 2010 at 4:24 pm:
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    Oh No! said:
    “Just like Mexicans Without Borders accomplished nothing.”

    True, but that does not mean that they will not get Amnesty. I do not want these illegals bums to get Amnesty but, unfortunately, too many politicians who are traitors do want to grant these Line Jumping illegals - Amnesty.

  74. legal2 said on 18 Mar 2010 at 6:06 pm:
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    Oh No! is 100% correct. And in a recent article, I *think* it indicated that G.Soros (commie) is helping to fund Annaabel’s cofeeParty. Makes perfect sense.

  75. BattleCat said on 18 Mar 2010 at 6:51 pm:
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    So Obama signs on to doing immigration reform right away as the price for getting the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Votes, and of course, Lindsey Grahamnesty is still on board. Obama says Slaughter solution might work for immigration, too. I’m afraid there won’t be anything left of this nation inside of a year.

  76. Yawning Wolf said on 18 Mar 2010 at 9:07 pm:
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    “I’m afraid there won’t be anything left of this nation inside of a year.”

    I think our nation was gone long ago. A nation has borders. We did not protect ours. A nation has a stable currency. We over printed thus destroying ours. A nation has laws. We change ours at the slightest inconvenience and that is the same as having no laws at all.

    Stick a fork in us. We’re done.

  77. Anonymous said on 18 Mar 2010 at 9:42 pm:
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    The folks North of us turned over 1000 people to ICE last year. Probably a great deal more than PWC, so why doesn’t Eric take his show North, and stop complaining about what goes on in PWC!

  78. Kevin C said on 18 Mar 2010 at 10:51 pm:
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    Can you hear that FLUSHING sound ???

    That’s Obama selling us, NOT down the river but, down the TOILET !!!

  79. WhereItIs said on 19 Mar 2010 at 10:49 am:
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    Oh No! wrote:
    “PS…Annabel is a communist. Elena and Eric communist sympathizers. Kathrine Gothart is just a kook, and Alana is confused. Moonhowler is just a nasty old ex-teacher who has nothing better to with her life, except bash conservatives. There is the lineup of your PWC Coffee Party Team.”

    A true “ship of fools” who like to think they are the end all and be all of politics in Prince Wiliam County. they think they are starting some big revolution and what’s funnier, they want to masquerade it as “civil behavior”. They are the biggest bunch of uncivil idiots in the county - all they do is bash people and they don’t ever contribute any positive ideas. Mostly, they are just loonies and kooks, with no redeeming social value.

  80. Cynic said on 19 Mar 2010 at 10:51 am:
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    From the L. A. Times
    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
    9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
    10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

    (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

    This (Above) shows why California is down, down the Tubes and why it is only a matter of time until the rest of the Country joins this sunk ship!

  81. WhereItIs said on 19 Mar 2010 at 10:53 am:
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    chicko is right on in what he writes below. Elena is a bored housewife, who has nothing better to do with her time so she thinks she can make a name for herself in the county. She’s making a name for herself - as a ranting raving idiot.

    Byler and Annabel - are left wing nutcases.

    Byler must have made his money making porno flicks as he looks like he might be perfect in one. Unfortunately for him, he probably isn’t well endowed. Annabel, hopefully didn’t star in any of those flicks as that is an awful image of her in one.

    Altogether, they are a bunch of leftist dingbats who think they have more power than they do, and want everyone to believe they are in the majority in the county. Instead, they are a very tiny minority with a bunch of loud mouths, that think everything they say is right and don’t ever listen to anyone else on the other side.

    chicko said on 18 Mar 2010 at 1:19 am:
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    that article is awesome, love corey’s comments they were so true. Elena is just looking for something to get her name out there, obviously just a stay at home mom looking for something to do during the day. It’s been proven over and over so that’s old news.

    Byler and crew…well, what could be said that already has not! struck it rich making romantic drama’s? yeah right….

    I still think annabel park looks like a muppet, nothing will ever change my mind on that one. Everytime I see a picture of her I keep expecting kermit the frog to pop up in it…

    this coffee party crap is just another name for people who need something to do, when the get bored they’ll be on to something else

  82. Patty said on 19 Mar 2010 at 11:21 am:
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    Contact Congressman Connolly and tell him what you think about the Socialist Health Care Bill, 703-670-4989

  83. Kevin C said on 19 Mar 2010 at 2:26 pm:
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    Cynic said on 19 Mar 2010 at 10:51 am:
    “2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.”

    And Obaama & Company wants to, not only, WELCOME these ILLEGALS into his “open arms” by REWARDING (a FIVE HUNDRED dollar fine and some community service) their CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR with citizenship, he wants to open the FLOOD GATES and invite MORE criminals into OUR country ???!!!???

    Just what the politicians need to JUSTIFY the FUNDING for the War on Crime, MORE criminals ???!!!???

    I think someone said it earlier but it WARRANTS saying again, by the time Obaama’s done, there won’t BE any country !!!

    It’ll be the United States of ANARCHY !!!!!

  84. chicko said on 19 Mar 2010 at 2:49 pm:
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    honestly not much that can be said about elena and crew that has not been said already, pretty much old news. with the closing of their “blog” they have moved on to other stuff. Apparently they are satisfied they are on obama’s course and the country has been sh*% down the tubes so they are content, essentially there is nothing for them to talk about anymore.

    Unfortunately they dont get the last laugh, this coming election cycle will see almost all of the demoncrats voted out of office due the impending passage of this horrible health bill. Tack on an immigration bill and they will have pretty much sealed their fate. With a congressionally approval rating hovering about 17-20 percent (depending on who you ask) it’s looking pretty abysmal for them.

  85. Dave in PWC said on 19 Mar 2010 at 4:24 pm:
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    I took a Cadillac Escalade out for a test drive just to drive one before they become extinct… The salesman sat in the back seat describing the car and all its wonderful options. The seats were of particular interest. He explained that the seats directed warm air to your butt in the winter and directed cool air to your butt in the summer heat. I stated the car must be a Republican car. Looking a bit angry, he asked why I thought it was a Republican car and I explained that if it were a Democrat car, the seats would blow smoke up your ass year-round.

    I had to walk back to the dealership…

  86. rebelreggie said on 19 Mar 2010 at 4:59 pm:
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    An interesting bit of history…To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW.
    Sons of Liberty burn and sack the house of the Massachusetts lieutenant governor, Thomas Hutchinson.

    To all free Americans who still hold dear the Founders’ vision of a constitutional Republic and who wish to remain free –

    Nancy Pelosi’s Intolerable Act is within days of passage by devious means so corrupt and twisted that even members of her own party recoil in disgust.

    This act will order all of us to play or pay, and if we do not wish to, we will be fined.

    If we refuse to pay the fine out of principle, we will be jailed.

    If we resist arrest, we will be killed.

    They will send the Internal Revenue Service and other federal police to do this in thousands of small Wacos, if that is what it takes to force us to submit.

    This arrogant elite pretends that this oppression is for our own good, while everyone else understands that this is about their selfish, insatiable appetite for control over our liberty, our money, our property and our lives.

    The majority of the people have made it plain that they do not want this tyrannical transfer of power wrapped in soft lies.

    It does not matter.

    Pelosi and her ilk apparently do not understand that this Intolerable Act has some folks so angry that they are ready to resist their slow-rolling revolution against the Founders’ Republic by force of arms. Why should they? For in the past seventy-five years of being pushed back continually from the free exercise of our God-given rights to life, liberty and property, WE HAVE NEVER SHOVED BACK. Rather, it was we, the law-abiding, who backed up each time, grumbling.

    These are collectivists. They do not hear you grumble. They do not, it is apparent after the past year of town halls and Tea Parties and nose-diving opinion polls, hear you SHOUT. They certainly do not hear the soft “snik-snik” of cleaning rods being used on millions of rifle barrels in this country by people who have decided that their backs are to the wall, politics and the courts no longer are sufficient to the task of defending their liberties, and they must make their own arrangements.

    The Imperial Democrats do not care what you think. They will not hear you. They are every bit as arrogant and isolated as King George the Third was from the liberty-loving American colonists in 1775.

    And yet, if we are to avoid civil war, we must get their attention BEFORE the IRS thug parties descend upon us each in turn — when we will be forced into dozens of defensive slaughters and then, to end it, forced yet again to call Pelosi and the other architects of this war upon their own people to final account.

    We are the law-abiding of this country, yes. We always have been. But when the “law” is distorted and twisted into an unconstitutional means of oppression, backed by the entire weight of the federal Leviathan, it is not “law” at all, but mere illegitimate force.

    John Locke said it best:

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.”

    When the law becomes a deadly tool of tyranny, it is no longer a good thing to be obedient and “law-abiding.” It is, in fact, suicidal.

    Yet, given the federal mandarins’ willful ignorance of our very existence and conviction that we have no opinions that they are bound to respect, is there anything that can be done to prevent civil war?

    Yes, there is.

    We can emulate the Sons of Liberty of old.

    We can break their windows.

    These windows are not far away from where you are reading this right now. In virtually every city and county in this land, there is a local headquarters of Pelosi’s party — the Democrat party. These headquarters invariably have windows. When the Sons of Liberty wanted to express their opposition to the actions of the King’s ministers, they would gather in front of the homes and offices of his tax-collectors and government officials in Boston or New York and break their windows. Glass was expensive. The King’s minions were often the most well-to-do. The Sons of Liberty hit them in their pocketbooks.

    Most importantly, however, was the message to the royal functionaries that there are personal consequences for oppressing your fellow citizens. The King is far away, and you are here, among us, the people.

    This is the message that modern Sons of Liberty should get across to the Royalists of today. Now. Before we have to resort to rifles to resist their “well intentioned” tyranny.

    This is not to say that the GOP (I refuse to call them “Republicans” for that is a misuse of the word) does not bear a large measure of responsibility for the situation we find ourselves in today. However, they have opposed this Intolerable Act. Yet, if we do a thorough job of breaking Democrat windows, I am sure that the GOP will profit from the example.

    So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party cannot fail to hear, break their windows.

    Break them NOW.

    Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats.

    But BREAK THEM.

    The time has come to take your life, your liberty and that of your children and grandchildren into your own two hands and ACT.

    It is, after all, more humane than shooting them in self defense.

    And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.

    Sons of Liberty, this is your time.

    Break their windows.

    Break them NOW.

    And Nancy, if this be sedition, if this be treason in your eyes, then make the most of it.
    http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/03/to-all-modern-sons-of-liberty-this-is.html

  87. Big Dog said on 19 Mar 2010 at 5:11 pm:
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    So how is your March Madness Bracket now President Obama?
    And your upset pick on ESPN of Siena over Purdue ?
    Diss our Boilermakers?
    Kiss northern Indiana goodbye in the next election jerk.
    Boiler Up !!!!!

    (FYI - More astronauts have graduated from Purdue than any other
    university and Purdue alum QB’s have won more NFL
    games than those of any other school - AND we haven’t lost
    a first round NCAA game in our last nine trips, including this
    afternoon).

  88. Ted said on 19 Mar 2010 at 6:32 pm:
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    At about 5:45 this evening WUSA had a 3-4 minute report on all the goings on here over the weekend so people could know what the crowds and street closures are going to be.

    Half marathon on Saturday (ironically enough sponsored by a bunch of health insurance companies)–CHECK

    Code Pink protest against the war in Iraq on Saturday–CHECK

    Protest for legalizing illegal immigrants on Sunday–CHECK

    Beautiful weather to see the cherry blossoms–CHECK

    Code Red protest at the Capitol against Obama Care on Saturday–CRICKETS CHIRPING

    I called the station and brought this to their attention. “You mention a Code Pink protest that might draw 50 people but not a protest against the biggest social welfare bill in 45 years that will draw thousands of people?”

    After asking some people the guy on the phone said, “Well, uh, you are correct. The Obama Care protest wasn’t mentioned but it wasn’t deliberate”.

    CLICK

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2010/03/19/msnbcs-david-shuster-slams-conservatives-targeting-pro-health-care-c#new#ixzz0ifV49ZbG

  89. Ted said on 19 Mar 2010 at 6:32 pm:
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    At about 5:45 this evening WUSA had a 3-4 minute report on all the goings on here over the weekend so people could know what the crowds and street closures are going to be.

    Half marathon on Saturday (ironically enough sponsored by a bunch of health insurance companies)–CHECK

    Code Pink protest against the war in Iraq on Saturday–CHECK

    Protest for legalizing illegal immigrants on Sunday–CHECK

    Beautiful weather to see the cherry blossoms–CHECK

    Code Red protest at the Capitol against Obama Care on Saturday–CRICKETS CHIRPING

    I called the station and brought this to their attention. “You mention a Code Pink protest that might draw 50 people but not a protest against the biggest social welfare bill in 45 years that will draw thousands of people?”

    After asking some people the guy on the phone said, “Well, uh, you are correct. The Obama Care protest wasn’t mentioned but it wasn’t deliberate”.

    CLICK

  90. BattleCat said on 19 Mar 2010 at 8:10 pm:
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    Fimian should be out there calling on Beaver-Teeth to vote “NO” on HCR. Instead…….nothing from what I can tell. If I’m wrong, somebody please correct me. This is why he lost, not taking advantage of opportunities. I’m disappointed.

  91. Ted said on 19 Mar 2010 at 8:37 pm:
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    Actually over the last week or so Fimian has had some pretty good radio spots on WMAL hammering away at Gary Pelosi.

  92. AnObserver said on 19 Mar 2010 at 9:01 pm:
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    You know what? Some of the posts above saying nasty things about the admins of the other website are really way out of line.

    Quite frankly, that is really uncalled for. You can disagree with their ideas and their political views - but some of the other stuff that is being said is really way out of line. To engage in silly name calling, and mocking people like that - you lose all credibility in the points you are trying to make. Debate their views and provide counterpoints, but don’t go and just say silly things such as “bored housewife”, “angry ex-teacher’, etc. etc. That brings nothing helpful to the debate - and tends to make people start to not listen to those who engage in that kind of stuff.

    Maybe this opinion is a minority one - so it is just one person’s opinion. Feel free to ignore it if you disagree.

  93. es_la_ley said on 19 Mar 2010 at 9:28 pm:
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    WhereItIs said on 19 Mar 2010 at 10:53 am:

    Byler must have made his money making porno flicks as he looks like he might be perfect in one. Unfortunately for him, he probably isn’t well endowed. Annabel, hopefully didn’t star in any of those flicks as that is an awful image of her in one.

    Dislike and/or disagree with them as you wish, but that type of comment is uncalled for.

  94. AnObserver said on 19 Mar 2010 at 9:39 pm:
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    Totally agree, es_la_ley!

  95. Patty said on 19 Mar 2010 at 9:52 pm:
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    How about something more uplifting. Reagan in his own words. Enjoy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIxuOabGBE&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAwAY0LH9hg&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9qDRZ6pSRE&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn0aj1NlvYI&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6wBUWKbOU&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmUJY5EugcM&feature=related

    The government is supposed to work for us not we work as slaves to the government. Okay you patriots…let your voices be heard! In the words of the greatest president in recent times, President Reagan, “let’s get government off our backs.”

  96. Greg L said on 19 Mar 2010 at 10:42 pm:
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    I agree with the criticism of the personal attacks on Byler and Park. It’s unnecessary, as their ideas are wholly ridiculous and we should be tearing those apart and not bothering to focus on the people presenting those ideas. I may have some concerns about the personal behavior of those two, but let’s try to find the higher ground here. We can more than adequately deal with all the arguments they propose without acting like a bunch of liberal Democrats.

  97. Wolverine said on 20 Mar 2010 at 12:49 am:
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    Thanks for that moderating comment, Greg. I am as conservative as they come. I’ll match my conservative views up against anyone on this blog, and I’ve seen a mighty lot of historical water go under the bridge. I am an unhappy camper with regard to the Obama administration, and I will make no bones about it.

    But I did elect to go over to the other site in order to interact with the people there. Yes, there are liberals. Yes, they are believers in their causes. And, yes, they will argue their points without blushing or backing down. But I found that there are, indeed, some moderate views as well —even, in my opinion, a conservative take on some issues from time to time which surprised me very much given the history of warfare between these two blogs.

    Let me tell you something else that surprised me: very little mention since I’ve been participating over there of the BVBL and not all that much really in the way of gratuitous slams. I’ve had some good, solid interaction over there; and rarely, if ever, are my contrary opinions run over by the blog bus. They don’t love you guys, that’s for sure. But there is not a heck of a lot of slamming going on these days. Opinions, yes, Strong opinions, yes. Opinions aimed at politicians local, state, and national, yes. Opinions aimed at conservative commentators and at Fox News, yes. Now, which one of you “conservatives” are going to fault a fellow American for using his/her First Amendment rights to express their political opinions? And what gives with all these personal comments about the people involved on the other site? Any conservative worth his salt ought to be an absolutely ultimate supporter of the First Amendment both in its official meaning and in the meaning which has long since been transferred to our conduct of politics. What does it say about the skill-confidence of a conservative if he/she cannot engage in debate with the other side without making it personal?

    I’ve watched you guys for a long time. You do research. You argue the issues strongly as you see them. I am not your enemy. So why diminish your arguments by suddenly jumping all over the opposition with comments which have no relevance to those arguments? So they posted threads over there taking the Cooch and Corey Stewart to task. How many times have you done the same with regard to Connolly or Principi or Obama or other denizens of the opposition? That’s your right. It is also their right. You get your say. They get theirs. In the end, it all gets sorted out at the polling places. I think that the Founding Fathers intended it that way when they wrote the Constitution and added the Bill of Rights.

    On most of the issues of the day, I am on your side up and down the line. But it sure doesn’t make us look good when we go into a personal attack mode. In fact, I am finding out that it actually rebounds to the profit of those who are determined to label conseratives and those in the Tea Party as part of the crazy fringe. You know you are not part of that fringe. Why hand such ammunition to the opposition? You just make their day.

  98. El Quapo said on 20 Mar 2010 at 6:16 am:
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    Thank you, Greg and Wolverine. I stopped coming over here a long time ago because I just couldn’t take the occasional vile that worked its way into many threads and am glad it doesn’t represent the “corporate” View. I’ll admit that I came over to see if the dialog on Moonhowlings was generating a post or comments and was frankly shocked at what I found. I’m glad I am not alone.

    It would be valuable to the community to have two civil but different perspectives on the issues. Right now, as Wolverine correctly points out, the differences that show up the most dramatically are not the ones that will really help your cause… particularly next year.

  99. El Quapo said on 20 Mar 2010 at 6:29 am:
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    …by the way, this comment was “really scary”.

    “And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.

    Sons of Liberty, this is your time.

    Break their windows.

    Break them NOW.”

    It immediately brought to mind another “night of broken glass” (Kristallnacht) in European History (especially to your older readers and their Children who remember WW II and the holocaust).

    Like Wolverine said, “In fact, I am finding out that it actually rebounds to the profit of those who are determined to label conservatives and those in the Tea Party as part of the crazy fringe. You know you are not part of that fringe. Why hand such ammunition to the opposition? You just make their day.”

    Honest feedback… use it as you will.

  100. DPortM said on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:12 am:
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    Rebelreggie’s post was from another blog - those weren’t his words.

  101. El Quapo said on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:20 am:
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    DportM (re Kristallnacht) …but it is here for all to read… and someone made a conscious decision to put it here… and it was not deleted… and to some they will represent the thinking of the Tea Party Patriots and the extreme right wing… think about it.

    Like Wolverine so eloquently said, “I am finding out that it actually rebounds to the profit of those who are determined to label conseratives and those in the Tea Party as part of the crazy fringe. You know you are not part of that fringe. Why hand such ammunition to the opposition? You just make their day.”

    Like I said, “Honest feedback… use it as you will.”

  102. Rez said on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:21 am:
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    I noticed that Rep. Connolly has said that he is on the fence about health care. Isn’t that what he said last year when he voted for it and was proud he did? Any bets on how he will vote tomorrow?

    He sure likes to sound like he considers things–I think it is more, “heads I vote for the bill or tails I vote for the bill. It must be right because that is what my party leadership tells me is right.”

  103. Rez said on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:24 am:
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    And I also echo peoples concern over attacking people and not their opinions. I argue that on the other board as well.

  104. Groveton said on 20 Mar 2010 at 7:37 am:
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    First Rep. Perriello says that the only way to stop Congress from stealing is to tie their hands. Now, he says he’ll vote for the Health Care Bill. Virgil Goode must be watching all this and just shaking his head. November is just 8 short months away Mr. Goode.

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/HEALGAT19_20100319-163601/331559/

    http://grovetonsvirginia.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/if-you-dont-tie-our-hands/

  105. AnObserver said on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:04 am:
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    El Quapo said: It immediately brought to mind another “night of broken glass” (Kristallnacht) in European History (especially to your older readers and their Children who remember WW II and the holocaust).

    Some of us know it very well - some of us who have friends of their parents that were directly affected by the events of the holocaust.

  106. AnObserver said on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:07 am:
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    Rez said:And I also echo peoples concern over attacking people and not their opinions. I argue that on the other board as well.

    I’ve argued it often on the other board too. Both boards could learn a lesson from this and stop with the personal attacks and silly name calling. In my view, both boards are equally guilty of it, and as neither one will back down in the personal attacks and name calling, it just continues. In each case, it makes one take less seriously the real issues they want to debate. It’s hard to take someone seriously who engages in personal attacks and name calling, and then think they have anything serious to say about a real important issue, of which there are many, to debate.

  107. AnObserver said on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:11 am:
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    Wolverine said, “In fact, I am finding out that it actually rebounds to the profit of those who are determined to label conservatives and those in the Tea Party as part of the crazy fringe. You know you are not part of that fringe. Why hand such ammunition to the opposition? You just make their day.”

    Exactly, the liberal media already seeks out the fringe elements of the Tea Party and distorts them as being representative of the Tea Party as a whole. Why give them any more ammunition? You can see many people buy right into what the press feeds them in that regard. You can see it even in reading threads on the other blog. So Wolverine makes an excellent point there. There’s no need to give them more ammunition to label the Tea Party as a crazed angry mob - and some of the nasty stuff that gets written can easily be used by anyone who’d want to - to help make that case. I truly believe there’s just some fringe members of the Tea Party who are giving it a bad name - so it would be good to keep it that way. Of course, the press has already done a wonderful job of painting the Tea Party as totally being out on the fringe and just being an angry mob. Anyway, Wolverine’s point about not giving them any extra ammunition is a good one.

  108. Jeff Hunter said on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:25 am:
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    One of my favorite lines from “Hunt For Red October” was when Captaiin Ramius had informed his staff that he sent a letter to the Soviet Fleet command that described what they intended to do. He then told then “When he reached the New World, Cortez burned his ships. As a result his men were well motivated.” Anyone else see this same strategy in what Obama is doing to the House Democrats to get them to vote for ObamaCare? He’s pretty much doomed their fate in November by pushing this abomination. If they don’t vote for it then the leadership will “pass” it anyway by “Wreckonciliation” or “Demon Pass”. They’ll still get the blame, but will not have the credibility to explain it’s so-called benefits to their constituents. The only option they have left is to support it will all they have from now till November.

  109. chicko said on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:27 am:
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    well wolvie, I’ll agree with you on some points but I have to disagree with you on their blog. They have a hard spot for many on this blog and for some of those they skipped moderation. They very heavily moderated that blog, I extensively tested this using multiple usernames and IP addresses just to prove a point. Of all the opposing viewpoints posted, yours was the one that usually stayed around mostly because you were moderate. There were quite many hateful comments hurled toward users on this site that stuck around, many were far more hateful that what I’ve seen here and again many of those were even done by the moderators. It’s really amazing the level of hate leveled toward Corey Stewart by one of the mods, she really has a hard spot for him in her so called heart and she’s not afraid to take it to the blog to air it out. If you agreed with them, they kept you around. If you didnt, they moderated you. But they did keep a couple of “toys” around so they could “say” they catered to opposing viewpoints, democrats do this and it’s all for show. Hey, even North Korea does stuff like this so they can play toward the international community.

    so that blog was despicable and if any vile comments are thrown their way they most certainly deserve them, not for their views on politics but for the fact that they are simply horrible people and their blog was the poster child for a socialist state.

  110. Emma said on 20 Mar 2010 at 12:18 pm:
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    I haven’t been thrown off, and I’m not afraid to air my often conservative opinions there or anywhere else, Chicko. I go head-to-head quite often, and I hardly think I’m a “toy” being “catered to”. These blogs wouldn’t have lasted as long as they have if everyone sang in the same key.

  111. MPresident said on 20 Mar 2010 at 2:12 pm:
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    Greg,can you start a new thready about if you know there will be a tax increase in Manassas Park?

  112. Wolverine said on 20 Mar 2010 at 2:50 pm:
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    Chicko, I have been watching both these boards for a long time expressly to gauge whether two parties with diametrically opposing political philosophies could at least engage in earnest and productive debate. By “productive” I mean not necessarily giving in on the issues but at least gaining a fuller understanding of where the other side is coming from. Far too often, I saw the debates cut off by a descent into personal denigrations. End of debate. End of productivity. That, in my view, was a loss for everyone on both sides.

    And I will agree with you that there were “sinners” in this regard on both sites. Of late, however, my monitoring of this blog and my willingness to interact with the other site had demonstrated to me that the worst of this seemed to be receding on both sides. I counted this as a very productive development, especially at a time when the national debate on so many issues was reaching a state of white heat. Then, along came this sudden spate of denigrations on this site, happening at just the moment when we most had to fight off attempts by an often biased MSM to label the Tea Party and conservatives in general as “fringe.” When you get right down to it, it is not the Moonhowlings that are the real issue here. It is the MSM that poses the bigger threat when it involves defining us before the general public. I personally do not want to give Olbermann , Maddow, and their ilk the ammo to use in that effort. In my view and experience, the Tea Party movement is something now embedded deeply in the thinking of many Americans who have been put off by the current direction of government. These are Americans who love their country, their Constitution, and their freedom. Most of them are not “fringe” but they are not helped when some give that ammunition to the opposition and help the MSM to define all of us as “fringe.”

    My entire working life was spent on the front lines of the battle for our Constitution, our freedom, and our way of life.This was both in military uniform and in the mufti of a clandestine warrior. It mattered not to me what the varied political opinions were of the people I was defending. My sworn duty was to defend them all because they were my fellow Americans. Age, some deterioration of health, and battle fatigue finally caused me to leave those ramparts for the last time. And what did I find when I got off the ramparts? The people I had defended were engaged in an internal political brawl with the nasty overtones of trouble in the prison exercise yard. That I do not like. I cannot speak for those whose political views are different than my own. But I do want my side to be able to fight a tough, professional, smart, and honorable battle without wallowing in the mud of that prison exercise yard. I worked for Ronald Reagan. I admired that man because he knew how to fight that kind of battle. He would have expected the same of us.

    Let me close with one additional comment. Corey Stewart. He was blasted on the other site for the unkind remarks he made about the Coffee Party in PWC. I know full well that Stewart is generally a favorite on this site and I know the reasons why. But I will tell you that I cringed when I saw his remarks. I asked myself how a guy in such a key leadership role could ever decide to expend precious reputation and stature by labelling as “fruitcakes” or whatever a small group of 30 people or so meeting in a coffee shop in PWC. It was not like PWC was being invaded by a foreign army or something. These people were his own constituents engaged in exercising their First Amendment rights. He decided to say things which had zero potential for profit and a big potential for hurting his own cause. The boomerang came right back at him. Of all people, he should have known such a result would be forthcoming. He is not an inexperienced warrior. He knows the configuration of the current battlefield. I expected him to be smarter than that.

  113. AnObserver said on 20 Mar 2010 at 3:17 pm:
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    Emma said on 20 Mar 2010 at 12:18 pm:

    “I haven’t been thrown off, and I’m not afraid to air my often conservative opinions there or anywhere else, Chicko. I go head-to-head quite often, and I hardly think I’m a “toy” being “catered to”. These blogs wouldn’t have lasted as long as they have if everyone sang in the same key.

    Same here, and while I post under another name over there, I have a conservative viewpoint and don’t think I’m being kept around as a “toy” either. And I’ve had violent disagreements with them over there, especially in terms of the name calling, which would be nice if it would stop on both sides.

    It’s also a good point, if everyone agreed on a blog it would be a very boring blog and not worth reading.

  114. Kevin C said on 20 Mar 2010 at 4:37 pm:
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    Conservative 2 said on 15 Mar 2010 at 7:32 pm: “Principi should not be hard to beat if one keeps a record of all his stupid ideas.”

    Jeff Hunter said on 20 Mar 2010 at 8:25 am: “They’ll still get the blame, but will not have the credibility to explain it’s so-called benefits to their constituents.”

    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that politicians ABSOLUTELY RELY on the VERY SHORT memory of the American voter !!!

    It’s what helps them blame the OTHER guy whenever election time rolls around !!!

    If politicians were held ACCOUNTABLE (come election time) by voters, VERY FEW of them would ever be re-elected !!!

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