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Arizona Gets Balls

By Greg L | 23 April 2010 | Illegal Aliens | 119 Comments

Nice to see what Arizona is doing - stepping up to protect their citizens when the federal government is chasing it’s tail trying to figure out how to coddle illegal aliens.  A few years back a similar bill was introduced in the Virginia General Assembly, but predictably the Senate wasn’t going to go for it.  Yeah, we need to do something about that.

Watch the illegals flee Arizona without public safety personnel having to do a thing, and their budget difficulties clearing up almost immediately. This is going to be one to watch!



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119 Comments

  1. Anonymous said on 23 Apr 2010 at 11:20 pm:
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    Yet the same thing occurred in YOUR COUNTY. How did that work out for you?

  2. Greg L said on 23 Apr 2010 at 11:27 pm:
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    Prince William County never made being an illegal alien a violation of state law. Seems you’re a bit mistaken. We did something considerably different, and it worked pretty well, although something like this would have helped a whole lot more.

  3. cdubbs said on 23 Apr 2010 at 11:45 pm:
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    Hey Anon. Seems to me I remember the county crime rate went down 28%. This is a public safety issue, and the Arizona State Government has the right idea.

  4. DPortM said on 24 Apr 2010 at 5:24 am:
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    This is great news! I heard part of the governor’s speech after she signed the bill and I was impressed with her statements. I also heard on the news that Obama is having the Justice Department look into the bill.

    Perhaps now that Virginia has a conservative governor we can get some serious anti-illegal immigration bills passed here.

  5. NoVA Scout said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:40 am:
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    Conservatives, because of their respect for the Constitution, oppose legislation like this, DPort M.

  6. anon said on 24 Apr 2010 at 7:36 am:
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    Read the truth and the dire consequences of this law on Moonhowlings. You folks are dreaming if you think this law is going to work. It will be ruled unconstitutional soon and the state of Arizona will be inundated with lawsuits over it! Go read the truth on Moonhowlings.

  7. anon said on 24 Apr 2010 at 7:48 am:
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    NV scout. You are an idiot. You are an uninformed, clueless, mindless leftist drone.

    I believe that this law, along with Obama’s snide and condescending response to it, are going to prompt other states to follow suit.

    This is OUR country - not the criminal’s. Not Obama’s.

    We are done getting pushed.

  8. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:15 am:
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    I still can’t understand why anyone, except the open borders types, would support people illegally flooding into this country. Especially from a location fraught with violent crime and drug cartels. I just don’t understand some people’s reasoning, other than they probably aren’t directly affected by the situation.

  9. Ray Williams said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:20 am:
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    The 10th Amendment should be repealed for the betterment of all society. It is totally unfair for one State to be more intolerant towards immigrants that others. We need more uniform national control over this situation allowing immigrants to live freely wherever they are and to allow them time and resources to get properly documented while still being our neighbors and fellow workers. President Obama is setting a tone of calm and tolerance that for too long has been pushed to the wayside by the radical right.

  10. Kevin C said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:50 am:
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    From the Associated Press’ article on the new Immigration Law: “…Arizona, the nation’s busiest gateway for human and drug smuggling from Mexico and home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.”

    I guess the BVBL resident FRUITCAKE, Ray Williams, thinks it will be easier to get his drugs if this law is appealed ??!!??

    You ARE on drugs, aren’t you Rayray ???

  11. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 9:18 am:
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    If you lived in Mexico, or you lived in the US when it becomes 90% Mexican, then what will the difference be? That’s right, it isn’t the location that make a country, it’s the people. We are losing ours to a foreign culture, and will soon be indistinguishable from any other third world failure.

  12. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 9:22 am:
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    Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:15 am: Flag comment

    I still can’t understand why anyone, except the open borders types, would support people illegally flooding into this country. Especially from a location fraught with violent crime and drug cartels.

    Don’t forget the child molesters, rapist and gang thugs who are still entering this country and more of them will when the prez offers his amnesty.

  13. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 10:57 am:
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    Arizona is besieged by illegal immigration–more people and drugs cross illegally into the United States through Arizona than any other state. And Arizonans suffer the massive levels of crime that go with it. Drug and human smuggling, extortion, kidnapping and murders. And the Federal government has done NOTHING to stop it.

    Arizonans have had enough. They decided to stop waiting for the Feds to do what the Constitution mandates–to protect its citizens from external threats. So they passed legislation to help stop the robberies, shootings, rapes, kidnapping, murders, and madness.

    This isn’t about racism, or xenophobia, or “apartheid” or any of the other hysterical slanders the left has come up. This is about the safety and well-being of the citizens of the state. And its support was overwhelming: 70% of Arizonans supported it. And support is Bi-Partisan, with 84% of Republicans and 51% of Democrats in favor.

    But some have now come out and called for a boycott of Arizona. Incredibly, even on of its own U.S. Representatives–Rep. Raul Grijalva has joined this call for a boycott–of his own state!

    Petition:

    I STAND WITH ARIZONA!

    I stand against illegal immigration.

    I stand against the Federal government’s refusal to secure the borders or enforce the law.

    I support Arizona’s lone, brave fight to enforce the rule of law with their new legislation that enjoyed broad, bi-partisan support.

    I reject any slander or aspersions against the People of the state of Arizona, that this law is about racism, or xenophobia, or “apartheid”, rather than the truth: Arizona is doing the job the Feds won’t do — taking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of its citizens first.

    I reject and refuse to participate in any boycott of the great State of Arizona.

    I will do everything I can to support the people and economy of the State of Arizona, by supporting its companies and products, and to visit its incomparable natural attractions.

    I call on the United States government to start doing its job according to the Constitution: Secure the Borders, Enforce the immigrations laws, Protect its citizens.

    http://www.gopetition.com/online/35732.html

  14. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:07 am:
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    Arizona is besieged by illegal immigration–more people and drugs cross illegally into the United States through Arizona than any other state. And Arizonans suffer the massive levels of crime that go with it. Drug and human smuggling, extortion, kidnapping and murders. And the Federal government has done NOTHING to stop it.

    Arizonans have had enough. They decided to stop waiting for the Feds to do what the Constitution mandates–to protect its citizens from external threats. So they passed legislation to help stop the robberies, shootings, rapes, kidnapping, murders, and madness.

    This isn’t about racism, or xenophobia, or “apartheid” or any of the other hysterical slanders the left has come up . This is about the safety and well-being of the citizens of the state. And its support was overwhelming: 70% of Arizonans supported it. And support is Bi-Partisan, with 84% of Republicans and 51% of Democrats in favor.

    But some have now come out and called for a boycott of Arizona. Incredibly, even on of its own U.S. Representatives–Rep. Raul Grijalva has joined this call for a boycott–of his own state!
    Petition:

    I STAND WITH ARIZONA!

    I stand against illegal immigration.

    I stand against the Federal government’s refusal to secure the borders or enforce the law.

    I support Arizona’s lone, brave fight to enforce the rule of law with their new legislation that enjoyed broad, bi-partisan support.

    I reject any slander or aspersions against the People of the state of Arizona, that this law is about racism, or xenophobia, or “apartheid”, rather than the truth: Arizona is doing the job the Feds won’t do — taking the law and our borders seriously to protect the health, safety, and welfare of its citizens first.

    I reject and refuse to participate in any boycott of the great State of Arizona.

    I will do everything I can to support the people and economy of the State of Arizona, by supporting its companies and products, and to visit its incomparable natural attractions.

    I call on the United States government to start doing its job according to the Constitution: Secure the Borders, Enforce the immigrations laws, Protect its citizens.

    http://www.gopetition.com/online/35732.html

  15. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:11 am:
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    The bill’s Republican sponsor, state Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, said Obama and other critics of the bill were “against law enforcement, our citizens and the rule of law.”

    Amen.

    http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12365350

  16. Cynic said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:23 am:
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    “intolerant towards immigrants”

    Illegal are not immigrants. On the social scale these criminal illegals fall just slightly above the politicians, citizens, and any others who offer support to them.

    “Moonhowlings” Like who cares what it says or thinks about anything.

  17. anon said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:39 am:
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    Moonhowlings is a highly influential blog and has made a huge difference in PWC. They alone are responsible for keeping PWC from becoming a place where people are stopped on the street and asked to prove they are here legally, and keeping PWC from being known worldwide as a racist place.

  18. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 12:01 pm:
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    Glad to see Arizona got this passed and hope that other states follow suite ASAP.

  19. mad in Virginia said on 24 Apr 2010 at 12:27 pm:
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    Now, if only Virginia’s legislators would quit bending over in front of the feds and put us first.

    Are you GOP politicians we elected paying attention?

    If you won’t protect our state - we will replace you with someone who will.

  20. DPortM said on 24 Apr 2010 at 12:29 pm:
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    NoVA Scout,

    Unlike you, I AM a conservative, and I support Arizona’s new law. I would be willing to bet that all bona fide conservatives both welcome and support this new law.

  21. Rocky said on 24 Apr 2010 at 12:33 pm:
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    I can’t believe how much I’m enjoying the news today. Here is one
    liberals rant against the Arizona bill. :):):)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAXcR6wRuQ

  22. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 2:13 pm:
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    Oh, I thought that was the Dems mascot for a moment. Remember the sticker?

  23. mad in Virginia said on 24 Apr 2010 at 3:02 pm:
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    Contact your legislator and ask them why they don’t have the balls to write similar legislation.

    Get ready for some serious two steppin.

  24. Citizen12 said on 24 Apr 2010 at 3:52 pm:
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    Arizona governor Jan Brewer strikes a blow against the traitors in Washington, the collaborators, the foreign invaders and their governments.

    May the other 49 state leaders show the same courage, exercise the same common sense and rally in the defense of America!

  25. chicko said on 24 Apr 2010 at 5:11 pm:
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    arizona rocks! I want to move there, should be some jobs opening up soon and maybe the economy will get better when the invaders either leave or get rounded up by sheriff joe’s posse. I think they just took the gloves off sheriff joe…Round em’ joe, throw them on the chain gang and away they go….

    with all the illegals they catch, I wonder if they can utilize them for state labor i.e. picking up trash, building stuff, etc. Anything that would provide value to the state. I suppose picking up trash on I-10 during 120 degree heat would be reason to NOT want to cross the border..just thinkin….

  26. chicko said on 24 Apr 2010 at 5:13 pm:
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    azcentral.com is the local rag for arizona. It’s now my new favorite news link. I want to wear a t-shirt that says “I love Jan Brewer”….thanks for shoving the illegals back in obama’s face

  27. Ray Williams said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:22 pm:
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    Governor Brewer is a Repubican racist. She will be defeated in the next election. Diversity and tolerance will prevail. Social justice under President Obama will prevail. It is acts like this that will bring people with a soul together to show goodness toward the common good.

  28. mad in Virginia said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:26 pm:
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    You are the racist, Ray. You are an ignorant tool. Since when is enforcing the law a racist act?

    The race card throwing by you disgusting little ankle biters is sure getting wearisome.

    In November, we are going to put you back in your box.

  29. es_la_ley said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:32 pm:
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    anon said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:39 am:

    Moonhowlings is a highly influential blog and has made a huge difference in PWC.

    Good God, you can’t be serious! With the exception of a half-dozen commenters there with minds based in reality, it’s an asylum run by the patients.

    They alone are responsible for keeping PWC from becoming a place where people are stopped on the street and asked to prove they are here legally, and keeping PWC from being known worldwide as a racist place.

    Dang, I fell for it. This is TROLL BAIT. No one could be this delusional.

  30. Greg L said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:38 pm:
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    Funny, I was under the impression that Brewer was a Democrat. I could be wrong, though.

  31. es_la_ley said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:48 pm:
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    She’s a Republican.

  32. mad in Virginia said on 24 Apr 2010 at 6:52 pm:
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    No democrat and damn few republicans would have the courage and patriotism to sign a bill like that.

    Certainly no republicans in Virginia.

  33. park'd said on 24 Apr 2010 at 7:22 pm:
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    You’ve got nobody but your golden boy Wolf to thank for the fact that Va. hasn’t taken the initiative for something similar, yet most of you keep pulling the lever for that do nothing empty suit. Vote ham sandwich this fall instead. We would get more positive representation from an inanimate object than we do from that guy. I don’t know why you guys keep giving him a pass on this issue since it has always been and will most likely always be the primary topic for those of us on this blog.

  34. mad in Virginia said on 24 Apr 2010 at 7:24 pm:
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    Park, it needs to be done at the state level - not congressional.

    Look to the HOD for the slackers.

    Arizona manned up at the local level and gave the governor something to sign.

    Had nothing to do with members of congress.

  35. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:02 pm:
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    Democrat Loses Ground in Arizona Governor’s Race

    “The four Republicans, including incumbent Jan Brewer, who are running for Arizona governor have all either moved ahead or gained ground on Democrat Terry Goddard, the state’s attorney general, according to a Rasmussen Reports poll conducted April 15.”

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/21/democrat-loses-ground-in-arizona-governors-race/

  36. anon with a brain said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:36 pm:
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    anon said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:39 am:
    Moonhowlings is a highly influential blog and has made a huge difference in PWC. They alone are responsible for keeping PWC from becoming a place where people are stopped on the street and asked to prove they are here legally, and keeping PWC from being known worldwide as a racist place.

    Well, aren’t you just the “starry” eyed little squirrel! Contrary to your drivel, PWC was never in danger of being a “racist place.” Only liberal squirrels like you do not like to see our laws enforced.

  37. patriot said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:44 pm:
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    Anon, you need to go back to Moonhowlings. Thats where you belong.

    We the conservatives and the “do rights” for America will go forward in getting the illegal aliens back to their home country.

    We don’t want them here under these cicumstances. If they truely are interested in living in America,then get on a list and wait your turn.

    We have enough to do to take care of our needy citizens.

    I have not seen one sign that they want to live as Americans. They bring all their old practices with them and don’t even try to change. Why?

    It’s because they don’t want to and they will destroy us, if we let them live as they did in their home country.

    Has anyone did a study on how much any of them support their Churches Here
    They want all things like several church services, but don’t give to the churches to help or maintain it. Do some checking?

  38. es_la_ley said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:59 pm:
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    anon with a brain said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:36 pm:

    >> anon said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:39 am:
    Moonhowlings is a highly influential blog and has made a huge difference in PWC…

    >Well, aren’t you just the “starry” eyed little squirrel!…..

    Flights of fancy?

  39. tce said on 24 Apr 2010 at 9:17 pm:
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    I’m trying to find information about how it worked out when Prince William Country passed a similar law, but there’s not much recent info. Is it settled whether the civil rights groups are going to be able to get the courts to throw it out? Did it have an effect? Was the effect positive?

  40. Greg L said on 24 Apr 2010 at 9:20 pm:
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    Info for you is at www.helpsavemanassas.org, tce. The illegal alien lobby filed one lawsuit, it was thrown out before even being heard, and since then there’s been nothing from the open borders crowd.

  41. park'd said on 24 Apr 2010 at 10:12 pm:
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    Tce: There didn’t need to be. Deane said he wasn’t going to enforce it and the BOCS didn’t discipline him for his blatant disobedience. The illegals and their supporters knew it was a toothless law at that point and within a year or so they all flooded back into town, as renters this time. The only thing PWC’s ‘law’ managed to do was cause an epic foreclosure crisis in this area and show to the BOCS who is really in charge around here. That’s how I saw it at the time.

  42. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 10:25 pm:
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    Left-wing ideologues have managed to dissociate themselves from all the horrors of racism with a “brilliant rhetorical maneuver.” They’ve done it by “claiming that their opponents are the racists.”

    How very ironic that government officials, among others, never have any problem with race, racism and racial profiling - just so long as long as the agenda is one of promoting and providing accommodation, services and protectionism. Exclusive, closed-door, members-only, monocultural and non-diverse:

    http://www.joe.org/joe/2004august/comm1.php

    A multitude of Hispanic and Latino coalitions, clubs, organizations, support groups, associations, institutes outreach and hand-out programs are in existence - many receiving public funding - from coast to coast …

    My own kids were barred from participating in the after-school chess, art, government and small business clubs at their high school simply because these clubs where prefaced by the word “Hispanic”.

    Other races profile and stereotype whites with impunity.

    The only thing White Americans can do that isn’t “racist” is to surrender their land, history, language, wealth, property, children, and vital organs to the third world.

  43. Anonymous said on 24 Apr 2010 at 10:35 pm:
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    Tell me something, If the whole purpose of our federal goverment is for defence- it never stated war-and they continue to allow our country to be flooded by illegals and their anchor babies because of buiseness or humanitarian ideas, it is time to dissolve of it. this is exactly what our constitution allows us to do ! Is it not time to do it?

  44. anon with a brain said on 24 Apr 2010 at 10:50 pm:
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    es_la_ley said on 24 Apr 2010 at 8:59 pm:
    Flights of fancy?

    Isn’t it obvious?

  45. ... said on 24 Apr 2010 at 10:55 pm:
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    “The only thing PWC’s ‘law’ managed to do was cause an epic foreclosure crisis in this area”

    Unmitigated B.S. is what that is.

  46. ... said on 24 Apr 2010 at 11:05 pm:
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    Or, more specifically Park’d, it got rid of the illegal aliens who might have bought your house for more than you payed for it.

  47. Dittyman8 said on 25 Apr 2010 at 7:12 am:
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    @ Ray Williams:

    I seriously disagree with you. The 10th Amendment needs to be preserved. It establishes the blance between the States and the Federal Government. Without it, we might as will do away with the state governments and just create administrative districts for Federal misrule. The new law in AZ has nothing to do with intolerance towards immigrants. Legal immigrants have the full protection of the law everywhere in the US. The problem that the law addresses is the fact that the Federal government has neglected it responsibility to screen and control who comes into this country. So now, the individual States are taking the matter into their own hands.

    Just because someone like me wants a consistent immigration policy enacted and enforced, it doesn’t make me a racist. I’m part Native American (Cherokee) and my wife and son are both part Hispanic (Mexican). Some of my ancestors came in legally through Ellis Island and followed the law to reside here and become Americans. In addition, I have lived as a legal resident alien in a foreign country (Denmark). So whom exactly am I racist or intolerant against?

  48. Kevin C said on 25 Apr 2010 at 8:12 am:
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    Dittyman8 said on 25 Apr 2010 at 7:12 am: “@ Ray Williams:

    I seriously disagree with you.”

    You’re wasting your time Dittyman8 !!!

    Ray William’s mind is GONE !!!

    One thing I know for SURE, to think the way HE does, he had to have dropped an AWFUL LOT of ACID back in the sixties !!!

    Unless, of course, he was BORN “mentally deficient !!!”

    In any event, once again, you’re WASTING your time !!!!!

  49. chicko said on 25 Apr 2010 at 9:29 am:
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    moonhowlings is a blog with a bunch of social retards on it. it’s like the special ed blog.

    bunch of nasty, filthy and butt ugly women who have nothing better to do during the day than support issues that other people dont. whatever you like, they dont. It’s really that simple, the talk about polite debate but just look at their blog..they slam people more so than here.

  50. Cynic said on 25 Apr 2010 at 10:27 am:
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    Lets see. Passing this mild law against illegals in Arizona has the liberal scum all upset. It’s so terrible to establish some control over the illegal scum invading our Country.

    However, when these illegal scum murder, steal from, and rape American Citizens, trash the land, destroy our hospitals and schools, and make up close to a third of the prison population in federal prisons, these same mentally deranged liberal scum view this behavior as “progressive” and beneficial to society.

    Conclusion: Liberalism is a Mental Disorder. (Savage and others)

  51. park'd said on 25 Apr 2010 at 11:01 am:
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    …: You HONESTLY believe that the PWC law in 2007 had nothing to do with the mofo EPIC foreclosure disaster we have endured here for the past 3 years? You REALLY want to go on record here and claim that? Ok buddy…

    Nobody on this blog wants illegal alien enforcement measures taken more than me but simply put, the PWC law was a disaster because a.) it caused all of them to disappear overnight leaving their homes to the banks and b.) Chief (and I use that term loosely) Deane decided he was not going to enforce it and basically spit in the face of the BOCS and they let him get AWAY with it! Disaster is the only word that comes to mind. Anyone that refutes this is a liar or is delusional.

  52. park'd said on 25 Apr 2010 at 11:04 am:
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    Oh and I should also add that they all just flooded right back into town again about 18 months later once they realized that Deane was blowing the whole thing off and that the law was toothless. Only this time they returned as renters. I see more of them here now than at ANY other point in the past. As George Bush so eloquently said back in 2003: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED…..

  53. Greg L said on 25 Apr 2010 at 11:55 am:
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    I’d strongly disagree that the foreclosure issue was a result of the Rule of Law resolution. One, the run-up in prices before the resolution was strongly fueled by overcrowding and illegal immigration to utterly unsustainable levels, and was going to burst no matter what happened. The resolution just helped us move through the pain more quickly, and encouraged legal residents and citizens to snap up the newly affordable housing in places where they were confident the community would defend itself. Not as evident in the Park, where the political establishment wasn’t going to defend itself, however. That housing stock hasn’t been soaked up by legal residents and citizens because the park looks like a bad long-term investment right now. Again, the Rule of Law resolution is irrelevant to that.

    The foreclosure crisis happened everywhere that illegal aliens showed up in force. Housing prices rebounded faster in Prince William than any other jurisdiction in the metro area, sales picked up more quickly, and inventory has fallen faster than anywhere else. If anything, the Rule of Law Resolution helped Prince William County and Manassas City recover more quickly than anywhere else.

  54. legal2 said on 25 Apr 2010 at 1:18 pm:
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    Today’s humor at another blog worth bookmarking - http://www.bookwormroom.com/2010/04/24/what-a-great-tea-party-sign/

  55. park'd said on 25 Apr 2010 at 1:31 pm:
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    The fact that we are down 70% from peak here instead of 30% like most other jurisdictions tells me all I need to know. The fact that my commute got NOTICEABLY better right after the law was passed and the foreclosures ramped up EPICALLY RIGHT after the law was passed tells me all I need to know. The fact that all the white vans disappeared RIGHT AFTER the law was passed tells me all I need to know. This could all just be coincidence and may have happened anyway without the PWC law but I tend to be a strong believer in common sense and Occam’s razor…

    The icing on the cake is that if the BOCS had fired Deane for insubordination and hired a chief that would have followed the law that they passed then you would be correct and that 18-24 months of pain that we went through would have been akin to ripping off the bandaid quickly and taking the pain now to assure a future where illegals are not welcome here. Instead they all moved to apartments in Maryland or Fairfax for a year lease and then when they found out that Deane was blowing the whole thing off they just returned within 18 months and the problem is worse now than it ever was. Sorry Greg but we will agree to disagree.

  56. Ray Williams said on 25 Apr 2010 at 2:10 pm:
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    Chief Deane is man that has a heart for those that struggle to make ends meet, no matter where they are from.

    Immigrants are not breaking the law, they are adding much to the cultural and economic fabric of this otherwise stale community!

  57. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2010 at 3:05 pm:
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    Ray, you are so right. Immigrants aren’t breaking the law, Illegal immigrants are breaking the law! For once you made sense. Now if you could just get your terminology right we might have a meaningful conversation. Somehow I still doubt it though.

  58. anon said on 25 Apr 2010 at 3:59 pm:
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    See the latest thread on moonhowlings for the truth about how the law wrecked PWC, caused the foreclosure crisis, and now will do the same thing to Arizona all over again! FAIR was involved heavily in PWC and they are involved heavily in Arizona, and their law is just like what PWC’s law was intended to be.

  59. Hazegray said on 25 Apr 2010 at 5:13 pm:
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    Two factual data points:

    1) Rassmussen is now reporting polling results that 70% of Arizona VOTERS favor this law.
    2) On the Saturday morning after it was signed I was listening to a WTOP Talk Back line at 7AM that had calls from Md, Va & DC — all supporting this law. Since WTOP usually tries to present both sides, I was a little puzzled until the announcer came on and commented that “I’ve been monitoring calls for the past hour, and none of the callers have been anything but supporters of the legislation.” He seemed amazed at this situaiton — perhaps he doesn’t talk to anyone with this point of view?

  60. BattleCat said on 25 Apr 2010 at 6:16 pm:
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    So, if I’m reading this right, the rule of law resolution caused the foreclosure crisis, which effected the entire nation. I didn’t realize we were that powerful. It has become clear that the this Arizona law, which merely enforces the law Hussein Obumbles is not competent to enforce, has the loonies quite stirred up. The bottom line is: If President Ododo says it’s misguided and irresponsible, it can only be beneficial to the state and the nation.

  61. BattleCat said on 25 Apr 2010 at 6:21 pm:
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    More quality stuff from those who brought you 9500 Liberty:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_JPcBwYGmo

  62. justwatching said on 25 Apr 2010 at 7:15 pm:
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    Every Republican that stands up and has a spine like those in Arizona will not have to spend one sleepless moment thinking about re-election, it will happen effortlessly. The democrats could not register enough illegals to make up the votes. It would heap votes upon the Repulbicans like no other proper and active move they could make.

    This is what the dems fear and now know, and why they are trying to make waves about it now. They are starting to whine louder everyday to cause fear mongering.

  63. park'd said on 25 Apr 2010 at 7:18 pm:
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    I could care less about the rest of the country’s woes with foreclosure. I only care about my own and believe me almost to the second that law was passed in 2007 the foreclosures EXPLODED here in the park and in PWC in general. Again could have been coincidence, but unlikely. Deane was insubordinate and the BOCS let him get away with it. If they had some balls in 2007 then we would be an unwelcome place to illegals now but as it stands, things are just as bad now with them as they ever were. It still charges me to this day that they let Deane get away with that. I can only assume he has some kind of leverage over one or more of them.

    Rest assured that Arizona NOD’s will explode within 90-180 days. I can’t stand the moonbats over at howling any more than you guys here but imo they are absolutely correct about the ramifications to PWC’s and Arizona’s laws. Let’s just hope that Arizona has the balls to see it through and cut ANYONE loose in a position of power that doesn’t fall in line.

  64. Ray Williams said on 25 Apr 2010 at 8:19 pm:
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    Because Chief Deane is no Sheriff Joe Arpaio we have a community that is diverse in a much more peaceful and harmonic way than Maricopa County, Arizona. Tolerance prevailed in Prince William County due to Chief Deane’s courage and his main supporters on the BOCS, Principi, Caddigan, Nohe and Jenkins. The Supreme Court will repeal the Arizona law within time.

  65. ANON said on 25 Apr 2010 at 10:46 pm:
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    park’d:

    The law did not cause the foreclosure crisis in PWC, the banks, brokers etc. who got mortgages for illegal aliens in the first place were the ones who caused the crisis here and in many other locations. Some of these brokers were controlled by Central American crime syndicates who got illegals mortgages are ridiculous rates, mortgages that were doomed to fail even without the resolution. They also got these people the false documents, pay stubs etc. that they needed to close the deal. So if you want to blame anyone or anything, blame the illegals who made it possible in the first place.

  66. park'd said on 26 Apr 2010 at 6:34 am:
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    ANON: yes I agree with you on that. The PWC law wasn’t per se the reason why the foreclosures happened. It was just a ‘last straw’ for the illegals who were already struggling due to the construction downturn and the catalyst as to why all of the foreclosures happened at the same time. They would have happened regardless so we agree on that but maybe they would have been more staggered if allowed to happen naturally instead of a giant fn’g tsunami like what we got which drove our home values down to 1998 levels where they still pretty much hover to this day.

  67. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 8:17 am:
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    “I only care about my own and believe me almost to the second that law was passed in 2007 the foreclosures EXPLODED here in the park”

    The price drops started happening in 2006. The cracks were already starting to appear but you, like the Manassas Park Governing Body, chose to ignore them.

  68. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 8:21 am:
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    “I could care less about the rest of the country’s woes with foreclosure. I only care about my own”

    That explains your near-sighted view of this matter.

  69. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 8:23 am:
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    It’s also telling that you spend a lot more time complaining about Frank Wolf than you do the Governing Body.

    Are you a plant for them? I’ve strongly suspected that they, too, have the idea that PWC’s law caused the foreclosure crisis in Manassas Park. Anything to deflect blame from their poor decision making.

  70. park'd said on 26 Apr 2010 at 10:25 am:
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    Frank Wolf is in a position to effect real change re: illegal immigration. The clowns on the MP city council are not. Stop giving Wolf a pass on this issue!! The MP clowns are guilty for running the city into the ground financially but blaming them for the illegal problem is shortsighted at best and disingenuous at worst. And as I said before and I reiterate: I could care less about Podunk, Iowa’s foreclosure problem. MP’s foreclosure problem and the fact that we are down 70% is of great concern to me. How is that short sighted? As I also said before too, I do not blame the foreclosure problem in PWC and the two cities on the PWC law, but it is greatly responsible for the tsunami (all at once) epidemic that we got here for the immediate 12 months after it passed. The values have still not recovered much beyond 10% from the lows. The foreclosures were coming anyway due to the lax lending standards of the banks and ‘representatives’ like Wolf who did nothing to spearhead immigration enforcement in CONgress. What chaps my hide is you never see MP in the news for what has gone down here. I know without a doubt that we are in the top 10 to top 20 nationwide for most drastic drops in property value and foreclosures during the crash. You’ll never see that printed in the MSM though…

  71. Citizen12 said on 26 Apr 2010 at 10:38 am:
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    The ultimate collapse of an economic growth cycle fueled by nothing more than industry driven over-valuation and reckless lending and borrowing should not be blamed on the introduction of a crack down on the illegal invasion.

    I could only make that connection if it were somehow proven that the past down turns in the economy have been caused by sun spots, Elvis and the lack of fluoride in bottled water.

    Meanwhile, something we have known about for a long time now …..

    “uncovered a pattern of collusion between lenders and appraisers that has resulted in widespread inflation of the valuations of homes.”

    http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=34&idsub=158&id=19452&t=Appraisers‘+inflated+home+values+burst+the+bubble

  72. Robert L. Duecaster said on 26 Apr 2010 at 12:09 pm:
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    For what it’s worth, Park’d, I’d say you’ve correctly recited recent PWC history.

    Hit me up for a beer sometime. I’d like to hear more of your philosophy.

  73. Hazegray said on 26 Apr 2010 at 12:15 pm:
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    “Moonhowlings is a highly influential blog and has made a huge difference in PWC.”

    Really? Perhaps a legend in their own mind….

  74. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 3:43 pm:
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    “The values have still not recovered much beyond 10% from the lows. ”

    Obviously you have not been keeping track of real estate sales lately.

  75. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 3:46 pm:
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    “The MP clowns are guilty for running the city into the ground financially but blaming them for the illegal problem is shortsighted at best and disingenuous at worst.”

    I’ve asked you once, you didn’t answer, but I’ll ask it again: What about MP made it such a haven for illegals? Why didn’t this sort of thing happen elsewhere in the 10th district?

  76. park'd said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:00 pm:
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    In my hood they haven’t recovered much beyond 10%. As I said before, I could care less what other cities are doing since my home isn’t there. How the he11 should I know why illegals choose the places they do? Cheap housing to begin with would be the logical choice. If you want a study on gentrification of neighborhoods and why ghettos form then go do your own research project. MP city council is not clean in this matter for sure but in the end they were very limited as to what they could do. It’s not like they could round all of them up and send them away. He11 even your precious PWC police chief refused to do a fraction of that even after he was ordered to by the BOCS. I know you want to lay this entire fiasco at the feet of the MP city council but that dog won’t hunt. The MP city council are clowns for sure but the real culprits with this disaster are reps like Wolf who look the other way and the banks that gave $350k loans to landscapers and maids.

  77. Anonymous said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:05 pm:
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    Because Chief Deane is no Sheriff Joe Arpaio we have a community that is diverse in a much more peaceful and harmonic way than Maricopa County, Arizona.

    I’ll take Sheriff Joe any day of the week. He is a man that believes in the law and he enforces it to the letter. Notice his prisoners wear pink underware. I wonder what color is worn by those that will not enforce the law when it is broken and turn a blind eye and “cow-tow” to the illegal masses in the hopes of getting a free burrito or two.

  78. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:13 pm:
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    “How the he11 should I know why illegals choose the places they do? Cheap housing to begin with would be the logical choice.”

    Maybe you ought to think about it and figure it out. Why are the houses in MP so cheap? Why do the illegals like it here so much?

    But you won’t. You’ll just continue blaming MP’s problems on someone who had very little to do with them..and continue to do nothing about them but complain on this forum.

    NumbersUSA, by the way, gives Frank Wolf a B- rating. You could direct your ire to someone like James Moran who got an F- rating.

  79. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:14 pm:
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    Here’s the link on that:

    http://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades/list/0/RECENT/va/A/Grade/Active

  80. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:25 pm:
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    “the banks that gave $350k loans to landscapers and maids.”

    That goes right along with the $500k interest-only loans to the white-collar workers who had every intention of “flipping” the property.

    Sorry, but there were abuses at all levels. Blaming it all on loans made to landscapers and mains is ridiculous.

  81. Robert L. Duecaster said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:31 pm:
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    I gotta agree with you again, Park’d. Wolf was in the position to sound the alarm that his District was being invaded, and he remained silent. I disagree, though, with your statement that he “looked the other way.” I don’t believe he consciously looked away. I believe he’s so wrapped up in causes that appeal to the idealistic among us he just didn’t give a damn about his own constituents’ quality of life and how it was degraded by the invasion of illegal aliens. His concerns are in Darfur, China, Sierra Leone, etc., not in Westgate and Sudley. I no longer reside and vote in his District, but I encourage all who do to write in Ham Sandwich or the equivalent this November. The man is a farce. As I said before, when his grandchildren pose the question, “Who gave America away?” they should have his picture handy.

  82. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 4:35 pm:
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    I think Park’d is right on about the PW police chief. Should Frank Wolf have fired him at some point?

  83. Herndon Bob said on 26 Apr 2010 at 5:28 pm:
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    Our governor adds his two cents.

    mcdonnell_says_legal_immigration_fuels_economy

  84. Herndon Bob said on 26 Apr 2010 at 5:29 pm:
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    Here is the link

    http://www2.starexponent.com/cse/news/state_regional/article/mcdonnell_says_legal_immigration_fuels_economy/56476/

  85. park'd said on 26 Apr 2010 at 6:30 pm:
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    Not hard for Frank to devote all of his time to personal causes when all the lemmings here keep pulling the lever for him every two years even though he stuck it in their rear ends and broke it off. I’ll never understand why people keep doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. I think there’s a word for that type of behavior: Insanity. Same goes for Colgan at the state level. “Maybe this time he will really help us out and do something”. Right, and I’m a Chinese jet pilot. Ham Sandwich for 10th Dist. Congress in 2010. It’s the only choice.

  86. ... said on 26 Apr 2010 at 6:52 pm:
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    Frank Wolf really isn’t responsible for the predicament you find yourself in, Park’d. You are.

  87. Wolverine said on 26 Apr 2010 at 9:00 pm:
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    Robert L. Duecaster — I have been involved in this fight in Loudoun for over six years now. That includes patrolling the streets of a community of nearly 800 homes on foot and by Neighborhood Watch car. When we started this thing , our community was being overrun by gangs and just about every type of criminal you could imagine. We have confronted and chased off gangbangers, car thieves, smash-and-grab men, prostitutes, pimps, druggies, drunks, vandals, and document forgers., and probably more than a few intentioned muggers. However, during the past month or more, the records show that, in our patrol area, we had exactly one crime repeat one crime committed on our streets. But we are still out there on patrol. The entire town is now virtually blanketed by Neighborhood Watch organizations, and the crime rate is dropping steadily. Moreover, after a long and hard fight in which citizens and law enforcement teamed up, we have just opened a state-of-the art sheriff’s office substation which will increase leo response time immensely.

    Don’t sell Frank Wolf short on this. He has been at our community meetings. He has assured us that he is angry about and totally committed to fight against the presence of gangs in our area. As a result, he has consistently secured Federal funding for the Northern Virginia Regional Anti-Gang Task Force and now for a similar outfit in the Shenandoah Valley. These task forces, working in conjunction with local police organizations, have set a standard for success in forcing gangs to move on out of here. Maryland, for one, is now having to deal with that. That has been a critical part of our llocal program. I got started in this volunteer activity because one of the gangs set up shop right on my street and even tried to recruit my own Hispanic immigrant (now a citizen) son-in-law into one of their strong-arm protection rackets. We aren’t finished here yet, and neither is Frank, even though he now finds himself in the Congressional minority.

  88. mad in Virginia said on 27 Apr 2010 at 1:38 am:
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    Here is something for folks to conisder: The “conservative” politicians who now make a show of being against illegal immigration, only became against it when they started to feel the heat of losing votes.

    The basic, undeniable fact that we were being over run by criminals was just fine with them. As long as the campaign donations from the criminals who hire illegals came pouring in - they were fine with ignoring the situation.

    I guess the bottom line is that our politicians are criminal degenerates at heart and feel a certain connection with both the illegal alien criminals and the creeps who hire them.

    Honest citizens are little more than useful schmucks - until they rise up. Then all of a sudden, the pols pretend outrage.

    Same thing with law enforcement. There is no denying the outrageous example of the state and local law enforcement efforts to prey on us with speed traps, unmarked cars and hov lane nazis - but they pretend they don’t see the hundreds of thousands of illegals all around them.

  89. park'd said on 27 Apr 2010 at 8:17 am:
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    …: You are such a genius I don’t know what I would do without your obvious genius to guide me from my retardation /sarcasm.
    Yeah it was my fault that an army of illegals invaded on Frank’s watch and were the impetus behind 70% drops in property value from peak. Yeah, it’s my fault that trash is everywhere and every other home is in foreclosure or being offered as a short sale. Yeah, it’s my fault that banks gave $350k liar loans to Pablo the landscaper and Maria the hotel maid. It’s my fault that 10-15 people live in many of the homes surrounding me and yes I know MP is to blame for that one since they won’t enforce zoning but if Wolf had spearheaded the lead on doing something about this problem then MP wouldn’t even have to worry about zoning problems. Frank may be doing wonders for you guys out in Loudoun but he isn’t doing dic@!# for those of us here in the park.

    I tire of arguing with certain people who are clueless and 20 points below my IQ level so this is all I will say: Keep pulling that lever for Chuck (if he is even running again in his condition) and Frank. Maybe next year they will even start to be proactive and do something about this problem. Right…

  90. Robert L. Duecaster said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:10 am:
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    Puh-lease, Wolverine. If your buddy Frank had half the sense and balls as Tom Tancredo he would have been in your corner back in 2003, when the invasion started. He would have been shoulder-to-shoulder with Tancredo and Heath Shuler and others in the House of Reps who weren’t towing the Jorge Bush line and who recognized the danger their constituents were in. If he had been doing his job, we wouldn’t have to be throwing money today at bandaid projects like the gang task force. Gangs are a symptom of the problem. The Invasion is the root of it. What’s Frank done about it? Nada. Oh, I forgot. He wrote a letter to Jorge Bush saying, “Don’t ya think it’s time you started thinking about enforcing our borders, maybe?” BFD. It’s so-called “moderates” like Frank who are killing us. We all know communists like Connolly are the enemy, but it’s butheads like Frank who enable the Connollies to do their dirty work.

  91. ... said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:13 am:
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    No, Park’d, it’s your fault that you paid too damn much money for a house in MP and are upside down on it.

  92. ... said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:14 am:
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    Makes you no different from “Pablo the landscaper and Maria the hotel maid” in that regard, does it?

  93. mad in Virginia said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:15 am:
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    Well said, Robert. The leftist couldn’t operate in America without collusion from the traitors on the right.

    A moderate is nothing more and nothing less than a liberal in drag.

  94. ... said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:16 am:
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    “yes I know MP is to blame for that one since they won’t enforce zoning”

    Not only would they not enforce zoning, they refused to participate in 287G, but, I guess, according to you, that’s a good thing, it might have made for even more foreclosures.

  95. ... said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:39 am:
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    http://jeffbarnettforcongress.com/

    There you go, Park’d.

  96. Robert L. Duecaster said on 27 Apr 2010 at 10:02 am:
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    mad in Virginia said on 27 Apr 2010 at 9:15 am: A moderate is nothing more and nothing less than a liberal in drag.

    In my opinion, the moderate is much worse. Much worse. I have respect for communists like Connolly and Moran who make their position known and only the dumbest among us fail to recognize that their ultimate goal is complete government dominion over every facet of the American citizen’s life. But a moderate like Frank Wolf will do a lap dance for you to entice you into thinking he’ll represent your interests. Then he’ll turn around allow the communists to take the clothes off your back in the name of compromise, etc. I got no use for them. I’d sit down and have a beer with a communist. But I’d rather piss on a moderate’s shoes.

  97. MoonHowlingsReporter said on 27 Apr 2010 at 11:08 am:
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    Over on moonhowlings they are either delusional or in denial. They claim they don’t namecall, which is a laugh. They namecall all the time, and Elena has the nerve to call out someone else for not being against all namecalling. They look the other way when their posters call people names, and anyone who doesn’t disagree with some of their posters (like Pinko who doesn’t like she is called a socialist but has no problems calling others racists or Nazis) are allowed to be called or sorts of things. Elena’s protest that their blog isn’t about namecalling is so funny!

  98. park'd said on 27 Apr 2010 at 11:41 am:
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    …:What are you talking about?

    I bought in 2002 at the lowest possible price when this development first started building. At that time it was totally devoid of illegals. When should I have bought? To NOT be upside down in MP you would have had to have bought before 1998 or before 2000 with 20% down. Even if I had put 20% down in 2002 (which thankfully I did not), I would STILL be underwater now we have lost so much value here. I don’t really think you comprehend just how much 70% drops from peak means to a community and how far back that takes values. We lost over a decade of home equity in this city in two years. You literally have no clue about anything that comes out of your brain. I was only a few years out of college in 1998. I did NOT buy at the top of the market in 2006, you just ASSumed that I did. Don’t even bother to carry on a conversation with me because you are overwhelmingly proving to me that you are not capable of it.

  99. ... said on 27 Apr 2010 at 12:08 pm:
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    “I bought in 2002 at the lowest possible price when this development first started building.”

    Oh, I see. So you couldn’t do any price comparisons because the development didn’t exist prior to 2002. Well gee, perhaps you could have looked at what the other houses in nearby developments were selling for before 2002, and that might have given you a clue.

    “Even if I had put 20% down in 2002 (which thankfully I did not)”

    Why, because you intend to walk away from your mortgage just like “Pablo the landscaper and Maria the hotel maid” did?

    How noble of you.

    “To NOT be upside down in MP you would have had to have bought before 1998 or before 2000 with 20% down.”

    Really? I bought in MP in 2001 with 10% down and not only am I not upside down, I could sell and make about $30k to 40k in profit right now.

    “You literally have no clue about anything that comes out of your brain.”

    My mortgage statements prove otherwise.

  100. ... said on 27 Apr 2010 at 12:11 pm:
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    “make about $30k to 40k in profit right now”

    That’s from the original sales price, not my loan balance. Just in case I need to make it clear.

  101. Cynic said on 27 Apr 2010 at 12:14 pm:
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    http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/23-04-2010/113161-chomsky_warns_of_far_right_us-0

    No effective choices offered by the Dem/Repub. regimes!

    Given these conditions, perhaps the voters will then consider other alternatives!

  102. FED UP said on 27 Apr 2010 at 2:03 pm:
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    MoonHowlingsReporter said on 27 Apr 2010 at 11:08 am: Flag comment
    “Over on moonhowlings they are either delusional or in denial. ….”

    The delusional side has been like that since they opened that site. I was booted, never allowed back for disagreeing with them. Funny thing is, that’s what they claim they will NEVER do because they didn’t want to be like this site……what a flippin’ joke. And you mentioned in several posts up that they will eventually end up having only each other to converse with…. They have been that way for a while now….only about 8 regulars who post all the time, pat each other on the back, and badmounth anyone who disagrees……
    They are a sad, sad bunch, those broads.
    Not worth even visiting that site.

  103. Cynic said on 27 Apr 2010 at 2:58 pm:
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    FED UP,

    Moonhowlings - They are FemiNazis.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

  104. Wolverine said on 27 Apr 2010 at 5:55 pm:
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    I’ll tell you, Duecaster, I was having some very angry exchanges with Wolf and others over the illegal immigration issue in that period to which you refer, so don’t throw your “puh-lease” crap at me. The politicians screwed it up then, I will be the first to admit, even though they did stave off Bush’s idiocy on the issue. That’s water under the bridge. Instead of sitting moaning on a blog, I got off my behind and went out there to do my bit to try to salvage this thing at my end. And don’t be so damned smug about gangs, unless you have been face to face on the street with them. Even though I couldn’t get the politicians to take the right action, I damned well knew where to go when we needed street help. And I got it. Don’t belittle that task force. It’s been awhile since I’ve had to deal with the gangs in my patrol area. The money came from efforts by Wolf when I needed it most. You, on the other hand, would probably have sat there and cried in your beer about the damned moderates.

  105. park'd said on 28 Apr 2010 at 6:49 am:
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    You’re a better man than me wolverine. Kudos to you my friend. Me on the other hand am just going to short sell and/or foreclose and walk away and do the non-noble thing as … would say. I am not risking my life and the lives of my family to stay in a town inundated with illegal trash and gangs just to live in a house that is 20% under water. In all fairness though my hood has REALLY improved this spring compared to the past few years. It was also really good right after the illegals left and then got bad again when they came back so I have no illusions that it will stay good. Last year there were a hundred rowdy kids playing in the streets at all hours but this year I rarely see them. Either way I don’t want to live like a prisoner in my own city so I am leaving at some point this year. Just trying to time the top of the market this selling season before it starts going down again. Probably list the home in June and be out by end of summer with any luck. Depends on numerous factors. The west side of MP is a disaster. The east side is much better as far as values and quality of life. If I had bought on that side of town I wouldn’t even be under water. We have lost about 20% more value than the east side which is what has put me under water. I can’t think of too many places that have lost as much value as we have. I wish there was a way I could bring us to the national spotlight for hardest hit.

  106. chicken little said on 28 Apr 2010 at 8:35 am:
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    Fed Up,

    I have a comment in moderation that has been there for 2 weeks at Moonhowlings - and it’s not even a comment that is disagreeing with them! But because I went toe to toe with Betsy herself and told her to grow up, I’m in permanent moderation. This was after she attacked me, did her little rolling eyes emoticon and tried to call me out publicly.

    This is classic:
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    Corey Stewart’s an idiot. Only he could spin a rise in violent crime as a good thing.
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    Here we go again……just change the blog name to CoreyStewartisanidiot.net and be done with it. At least the old anti-bvbl name was accurate. This site is as nutty as the dark page is.

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    Moon-howler
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    Tom, you do not have the right to come to our blog and insult us. Feel free to argue the issues but it might be a good idea not to come here just to name call. It won’t be tolerated.

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    Tom,
    I find your supposition wholly inaccurate. What should we do when the Chairman of our Board outright lies? Should we not call him on it? I wonder why Corey is the only politician that we have to continually repudiate? Well, it’s because NO OTHER supervisor is an attention or media junkie. Futhermore, you are speaking about facts that you clearly not understand.

    Figures - the irony that it’s okay to call others names, but don’t DARE call them nutty!!

  107. Robert L. Duecaster said on 28 Apr 2010 at 10:10 am:
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    Now I understand you, Lemerine. I mean Wolverine. You are indebted to Mr. Wolf and his fellow Republicans for allowing the illegals to invade our fair state and nation so that you could get exercised at the street level. I guess I’m indebted to them for the same reason as well.

    I’m not belittling you or the task force or anything else you say. There’s a place and time for picking fruit. It makes one feel important. But pulling the evil trees out by the roots is where the difference is made. And I don’t see Wolf and most of the Republican Party attending to that.

  108. MoonHowlingsReporter said on 28 Apr 2010 at 11:23 am:
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    chicken little - the pattern at Moonhowlings is they allow people they agree with to call names all they want - they regularly call people racists, bigots, and so on. In the past they freely allowed their favorite posters to name call anyone they disagreed with. It is only when someone they disagree with does anything they perceive as name calling, that person gets booted off the board. They are two faced hypocrites and they know it.

  109. chicken little said on 28 Apr 2010 at 12:45 pm:
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    Here’s a new low:

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    Taxpayer, you actually have no idea what I know about or what I don’t know about. In fact, you might be very surprised.

    You have been an arrogant, insufferable blowhard who is so partisan you cannot have a neutral discussion about anything. I expect conservative Bill 4 Dog Catcher would boot you off. It isn’t what you say, it is your general tone, smugness and rudeness.

    I am strongly urging you to find another blog where bad manners are more of the accepted norm. I am only so patient. If you consider my comeback uncivil, then so be it.

    So much for a “place for civil debate”

  110. Congratulations! said on 29 Apr 2010 at 2:44 am:
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    Back to this area….houses emptied out as property values crashed! Hey Checkers even closed down! Good work everyone! Congratulations you got rid of those illegals and made this a better economic disaster to live in!

  111. ... said on 29 Apr 2010 at 7:38 am:
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    “Hey Checkers even closed down!”

    That one on 28 which closed down might have been due to the fact that you got the runs every time you ate there.

    The one on 234 is still around…and it’s safe to eat their food.

  112. Reality Check said on 29 Apr 2010 at 11:47 am:
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    The real enemy in the illegal alien fight is not the left or anyone arguing open immigration, human rights, etc. They are nothing but “useful idiots” and serve as a distraction. The problems stem from corporate power and the desire for cheap labor.

    Given the overwhelming support (votes) for ending illegal immigration (over seventy percent of Arizonans support the new illegal alien legislation), one would assume that elected officials would have dealt with the problem long ago. They would have secured our border and we would not be dealing with these problems. Obviously, they haven’t. In fact, Washington wants “comprehensive immigration reform,” which, as we all know, means amnesty for illegals.

    What’s going on? Why not control the borders before pursuing “comprehensive immigration reform?”

    Many industries that rely on unskilled labor are unable to ship their operations overseas. Wal-Mart, Nike, etc. can easily move production to low-wage countries in Asia and Latin America. Construction, hospitality and many others cannot. Their solution is to bring the unskilled, cheap labor here as officials look the other way and let the taxpayers pay the costs of healthcare and other public services for them.

    These business interests are backed by powerful lobbying organizations such as the Chamber of Commerce. They provide massive campaign contributions that overshadow the seeming nickels and dimes contributed by the middle class. That money goes to media advertising, public relations, and front organizations such as, for example, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and CASA.

    The SPLC has been criticized often for the enormous salaries its leaders (Dees, Potok and others) pay themselves and the millions they have stockpiled in their endowment fund. Organizations such as SPLC and CASA aren’t interested in illegal alien rights. They want to keep the corporate gravy flowing.

    A big part of healthcare reform is to provide medical services to illegals (or newly-minted citizens and legal residents after “comprehensive immigration reform”) to subsidize the cost of this cheap labor. Add to that overcrowding in schools, crime, gangs, etc. and you get the full picture of the cost of cheap labor for business to middle-class America in terms of dollars and loss of quality of life.

    What’s the downside to Americans of ending this abominable system? We might pay more to stay in a hotel, eat at a restaurant or have construction projects done as businesses are forced to hire legal workers, and pay their FICA and other taxes. I don’t object to that. In fact, I see it as a good thing. If you count Americans who are underemployed and have given up looking for work, our unemployment rate is nearly 20 percent now. End the use of illegal labor and our fellow citizens who are struggling now will be back at work being paid market wages. I’ll gladly pay more to eat out to see my fellow Americans back at work, and an end to overcrowded schools and emergency rooms, and four families living in a single-family home.

    We can change this situation by getting rid of any incumbents from either Party who vote in the interests of cheap labor for business rather than for our quality of life. Keep an eye on where the politicians get their money and how they vote. Ignore their rhetoric. Locally, if they profess to oppose illegal immigration but vote in favor of developer interests, throw them out. Let Congressional candidates know you will vote against them if they favor pro-cheap labor interests rather than middle-class Americans. Make it clear to presidential candidates in 2012 that there are more of us than there are unethical business owners who employ illegal labor. We can change the situation through our votes!

  113. Robert L. Duecaster said on 29 Apr 2010 at 12:23 pm:
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    Word up, RC.

  114. park'd said on 30 Apr 2010 at 11:03 am:
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    We seem to be missing about 10 posts here. Greg: are you pulling a page from moonhowlers and cherry picking your contributor’s posts or was there a database failure?

  115. Greg L said on 30 Apr 2010 at 12:11 pm:
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    We did get some lefty trolls come to visit. An Arizona media outlet referenced this post, and the traffic that resulted was not fit for public display.

  116. Cynic said on 30 Apr 2010 at 11:48 pm:
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    Lefty trolls - Gee whiz, were they upset over something we wrote?

  117. virusc said on 6 May 2010 at 10:28 am:
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    park’d is dead on.

    try reporting 10-15 people living in a small SFH and see what that gets you - Nothing, why would the police wast their time with all that paperwork when it is easy to go after others with real assets and accountability that can, and do provide tax income. I was shocked when I went to court for a HOV ticket and saw 2nd and 3rd offence illegals with suspended license get off with a warning for the same reason.

    I am not against immigration but like our laws are written we should detain and deport immediately any illegal committing any offence. Working illegally in the US is a offence. Standing on US soil illegally is a offence. Any legal immigrant or citizen that does not believe in upholding our current laws is not in the mindset for what is best for the country. This simple minded and shallow thinking is hurting us in ways that will not be easy to reverse.

  118. Cynic said on 6 May 2010 at 7:31 pm:
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    With what did you get off - jail time, fine, or warning?

  119. Rose said on 8 May 2010 at 7:41 pm:
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    I too believe that persons illegally in this country should be sent back to their home countries and wait their turn. But what I would also like to know is what jobs these people have taken from U.S. citizens? Be specific when this charge is made because I do not know any U.S. citizen at this time who did not get a job because an “illegal” got it! And if you know of an employer who is hiring illegals, turn them in to ICE and if they do not respond then there is always the MEDIA. Once employers are put on the hot seat and they pay penalties for such hires and their businesses are boycotted by legal U.S. citizens, this may discourage other employers from hiring “illegals”. That should go a long way to discouraging “illegals” from coming here and “taking jobs from U.S. citizens”.

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