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What? They’re Lying Again?

By Greg L | 28 April 2010 | National Politics, Illegal Aliens | 69 Comments

Go figure that the over-the-top hyperbole coming from the left and their “mainstream media” allies regarding Arizona’s new law is just as much a bunch of hooey as when we heard the same rhetoric about the Rule of Law Resolution in 2007.  When references to Nazi Germany and the KKK were made even before the left had much of a chance to actually look at the legislation, I couldn’t imagine that they’d fall into the same useless, vapid, and ultimately unproductive lying as they had employed here one a few years ago, but alas their playbook remains the same no matter how ineffective it is proven to be.  The predictability of the left, while annoying, brings us hope for better times when the consequences of their behavior are fully delivered.

Kris Kobach delivers the death blows to the left’s outrageous mendacity today in tones that are very familiar to the Prince William County residents who saw this exact same discussion take place before:

Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren’t already required to carry. On the contrary, the law simply penalizes aliens who fail to carry the registration documents that federal law already requires them to keep on their person. These federal crimes (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) have been around since 1940. The Arizona law simply adds a layer of state penalty to what already was a crime under federal law.

Ironically, the open-borders crowd has for years insisted that we use the term “undocumented” when referring to illegal aliens. Now, when a state takes seriously the documentation requirements of federal law, that crowd becomes apoplectic.

As for U.S. citizens, the law does not require them to carry any identification whatsoever. Indeed, the law cannot possibly be applied against U.S. citizens; only an alien can be found guilty under the Arizona statute.

Myth No. 2: The law will encourage racial profiling. The terms of the act make clear that such profiling cannot occur. Section 2 provides that a law enforcement official “may not solely consider race, color, or national origin” in making any stops or determining an alien’s immigration status. In addition, all of the normal Fourth Amendment protections against racial profiling still apply.

Moreover, the law actually reduces the likelihood of racial profiling by forcing police officers to contact the federal government to verify a person’s immigration status when they suspect a person is an illegal alien. It already was permissible for police officers across the country to make arrests for violations of federal immigration law where reasonable suspicion existed that a violation had occurred. Now, in Arizona, officers will have to make a phone call to Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) 24/7 hot line to confirm that any aliens in their custody really are present unlawfully. Officers can no longer proceed based solely on their own assessment of a person’s immigration status. In this way, the Arizona law takes any consideration of race out of the equation - strengthening the protections against racial profiling.

Myth No. 3: The law will require Arizona police officers to stop and question people. Here again, critics of the law are failing to read it carefully. The law only kicks in when a police officer already has made a “lawful contact” with a person, such as stopping him for breaking another law. The most likely contact is during the issuance of a speeding ticket. The law does not require the officer to begin questioning a person about his immigration status or to do anything the officer would not otherwise do.

Only after a stop is made, and subsequently the officer develops reasonable suspicion on his own that an immigration law has been violated, is any obligation imposed. At that point, the officer is required to call ICE to confirm whether the person is an illegal alien. Are critics seriously suggesting that local law enforcement officers should ignore the violations of federal law that they see at that point?

In sum, the law doesn’t make any radical changes. Rather, it is a reasonable step that gives Arizona police officers another tool in their toolbox when they come into contact with illegal aliens during their normal law enforcement duties. It also prohibits Arizona cities from implementing sanctuary policies that prevent their officers from contacting ICE.

The left suffered tremendously for their blatant misrepresentation of what the Rule of Law Resolution meant, and will undoubtedly suffer again once the truth is proven in Arizona.  At some point only the “mainstream media” will pay any attention to these pollyannas, who at every opportunity prove they aren’t worth listening to.

As the left works overtime to discredit itself, we hope for better days when Marx’s “ash heap of history” fully contains them.

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  1. Advocator said on 28 Apr 2010 at 10:46 am:
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    AZ’s law, much like our own “Resolution,” may have the desired impact without ever being enforced, as a result of the Mexican government’s utter stupidity and penchant for overstatement. This from Reuters today:

    MEXICO CITY (Reuters) — Mexico warned its citizens living in or traveling to Arizona that they could be “harassed” there because of its new immigration law.

    The foreign ministry issued a statement saying that Mexicans there should contact their consular representatives if they are unlawfully detained. “Until it is clearly defined under what criteria, when, where and who the authorities will check, you should assume that every Mexican citizen could be harassed and questioned without cause at any moment,” the statement said.

  2. CapitolHillBilly said on 28 Apr 2010 at 11:04 am:
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    From the BBC:

    Mexico accused over migrant abuse

    Migrants in Mexico are facing a “major human rights crisis” as the authorities fail to tackle widespread abuses, Amnesty International has warned.

    The human rights group said officials ignored or even played a part in the rape, kidnap, and murder of migrants, often carried out by criminal gangs.

    Tens of thousands of Central American migrants pass through Mexico every year to try to reach the US and find work.

    Mexico has often stated its commitment to the protection of migrants.

    Amnesty called on Mexico’s government to “prevent, punish and remedy abuses”.

    “Migrants in Mexico are facing a major human rights crisis leaving them with virtually no access to justice, fearing reprisals and deportation if they complain of abuses,” said Rupert Knox, who contributed to the report, Invisible Victims: Migrants on the Move.

    “Persistent failure by the authorities to tackle abuses carried out against irregular migrants has made their journey through Mexico one of the most dangerous in the world,” he added.

    Amnesty’s report may not come as a surprise to those who have made or tried to make the difficult journey through Mexico, the BBC’s Julian Miglierini reports from Mexico City.

    But its release comes just after the Mexican government denounced a new tough immigration law in Arizona as a human rights violation.

    Many here think that, when it comes to migration issues, Mexico first has to clean up its own act, our correspondent says.

    Sexual violence

    Amnesty cited statistics from the Mexican National Human Rights Commission, which showed that nearly 10,000 migrants had been abducted, mainly for ransom, over a period of six months in 2009.

    It said that almost half of those interviewed said public officials had played a direct role in their kidnap.

    The report also said that an estimated six out of 10 migrant women and girls have experienced sexual violence at the hands of criminals, other migrants or corrupt public officials.

    Amnesty has called on the Mexican authorities to set up a federal task force to protect migrants’ rights, and to bring those responsible for abuses to justice.

    Grupo Beta, a government initiative started in 1991, operates in northern and southern border states, offering advice and humanitarian aid to migrants.

    However, it lacks the necessary funding and authority to adequately support the constant stream of migrants heading north, according to Amnesty.

    The majority of migrants are from the Central American countries of El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua.

    Story from BBC NEWS:

    Published: 2010/04/28 07:57:49 GMT

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  3. Hazegray said on 28 Apr 2010 at 12:31 pm:
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    Always remember, “Illegal immigration is NOT a ‘civil right!’”

  4. Truth to Power said on 28 Apr 2010 at 12:38 pm:
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    Destroy the basis of the liberals’ argument… read the bill for yourself and make up your own mind: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.htm

  5. Rez said on 28 Apr 2010 at 12:55 pm:
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    Greg or anyone–for my information because I have never understood this part of the laws, what happens in the fictional case of Joe Rodriguez, born in Milwaukee, WI, of hispanic descent?

    What can he produce (outside of a birth certificate) that will prove that he is a citizen and not required to produce anything else? Does a driver’s license or SS card automatically relieve the person of further inquiry?

  6. Truth to Power said on 28 Apr 2010 at 1:15 pm:
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    A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

    1. A valid Arizona driver license.

    2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

    3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

    4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification. (e.g., Green Card)

  7. Black Saint said on 28 Apr 2010 at 1:47 pm:
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    Today, Mexico’s declaration of war on America moves with quickening speed. Their modern day General Calderon is not content with retaking Texas. He invades all American states by the largest Invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means, anywhere in the world!

    This invasion is encouraged, abetted and organized by the Mexican state and supported by all citizens in Mexican society. Calderon provides his ‘troops’ with maps, water, provisions and aid to invade America’s border. Additionally, our President & U.S. Congress aids, abets and encourages this invasion by failing to defend our borders, by providing 100.s of billions in benefits to the invaders & by Promising them Amnesty & American Citizenship as a reward for their Invasion!

    This refuse by our Politicians to abide by our Constitution against Invasion, enforce our Laws & Honor their Oath of Office by defending American Citizens & this Nation from Invasion is Treason Pure & Simple!

    What are the desires of Mexico? Lawrence Auster, in his “The Second Mexican War” February 17, 2006, wrote, “In orchestrating this war on America, the Mexican state represents the desires of the Mexican people as a whole:

    1 - Political revanchism?to regain control of the territories lost to the U..S. in 1848, thus avenging themselves for the humiliation they feel they suffered at our hands for the last century and a half; In effect, Mexico is colonizing the United States.
    2 - Cultural imperialism?to expand the Mexican culture and Spanish language into North America. They destroy English as America’s language.
    3 - Economic parasitism?to maintain and increase the flow of $20 billion dollars that Mexicans in the U.S. send back to their relatives at home every year, a major factor keeping the chronically troubled Mexican economy afloat and the corrupt Mexican system cocooned its status quo.” They use us against ourselves to benefit themselves.

    Americans watch a peaceful invasion and the most profound colonization in modern history. Carlos de Mola for Mexico’s Excelsior Newspaper said, “You cannot give me a similar example of such a large migratory wave of an ant-like multitude, stubborn, unarmed and carried on in the face of the most powerful and best-armed nation on earth?it is slowly returning the southwestern U.S. to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot nor requiring the least diplomatic action, by means of a steady, spontaneous and uninterrupted occupation.”

    What you’re watching—and most Americans only keep watching without a whimper—the takeover of America by a foreign country by colonization.

    One of Calderon’s cabinet officers, Juan Hernandez said, “The Mexican population is 100 million and 23 million who live in the United States.”

    Heather MacDonald, in the City Journal, Fall 2005, wrote, “Mexico’s five-year development plan in 1995 announced that the Mexican nation extends its border into the United States. The government would strengthen solidarity programs with the Mexican communities abroad by emphasizing their Mexican roots, and supporting literacy programs in Spanish and teaching of the history, values and traditions of Mexico to those Mexicans living in the United States. We are betting the Mexican population in the U.S. will think Mexico first.’”

    Not only are they invading America in numbers and language, they financially bleed Americans of jobs, depress wages and send money to Mexico. In time, they will be able to deny authority of American law because they will vote against American laws and/or change them to fit their purposes.

    A simple look at what happened in Chicago and other cities this week portends violent confrontations in the future. We allow the complete surrender of U.S. sovereignty over our immigration policy. Calderon loves it as his ‘insurgents’ grow by three million annually on U.S. soil. (Source: Time Magazine, September 20, 2004, America’s Broken Borders)

    Auster wrote, “Hitler pursed ‘Anschlus’, the joining together of the Germans in Austria with the Germans in Germany leading the official annexation of Austria to Germany. Mexico’s equivalent is ‘acercamiento’ which means ‘warmer relations’ to act as a unified block to advance Mexico’s interests inside the U.S. and—weakening of U.S. immigration law. Thus, the Mexican government is using the Mexican U.S. population as a fifth column.”

    As you can see, we allow 56 Mexican consulates in major cities throughout America to foster this invasion with help and guidance inside the belly of America. Those consulates distribute ‘Guia del Migrante Mexicano’ which is a guide for illegals to further imbed themselves into America without getting caught.

    Auster wrote, “It has been proposed that Mexicans in the U.S. vote in Mexican elections. California Mexicans would have seats in the Mexican Congress, specifically representing Mexicans residing in that state. One of Mexico’s three major parties, the PRD, urges the designation of the entire United States as the sixth Mexican electoral district.”

    Winston Churchill wrote in his “Follies of the Victors,” that the Germans were given a ‘motive’ for revenge; later, an opportunity to strike back. By the same stroke of history, the U.S. gave Mexico a ‘motive’ in 1848, and today, an ‘opportunity’ by allowing mass migration.

    In other words, we gave Mexico this opportunity; Mexico took it and now General Calderon dictates terms to us. Who are his generals? Specifically–U.S. Congressman Joe Baca in California works for ‘Reconquista de Aztlan’ along with Mayor Villaraigosa of Los Angeles, and dozens of others on U.S. soil. Not only that, he can count on Barack Obama and most of the U.S. Congress. Calderon counts on the silence of U.S. governors in all 50 states. Who are his foot soldiers? Twelve million Mexicans spread across 49 states and growing!

    Please, if you do nothing else this week, join www.numbersusa.com and become a weekly faxer. Send this column to your friends and have them join Numbers usa.com and send those pre-written letters. If that guest worker program passes, you’re looking at adding 60 million Mexicans. Over 18 million will be Spanish speaking children flooding our schools. Yes, if even half those 20 million illegal Mexicans bring in 10 million wives under Kennedy’s guest worker programs, those wives bring at least three children each. Thus, you’re looking at 30 million more kids within a heartbeat in time—hitting our schools. If even half the single Mexicans have one child each in ten years, you’re talking 15 million more kids. This is war and colonization by any other name.

    If we continue on this path, black and white Americans will be the minority at 47 percent by 2042, while Mexicans will become the new majority. All that the fled in Mexico they will recreate in the United States. Why? You cannot change culture when so many manifest it.

    Americans, what are you going to do about it? All I can say is, “Remember the Alamo!”

  8. anon said on 28 Apr 2010 at 2:03 pm:
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    This Arizona law is outrageous and racist! The illegal alien running the meth lab will be afraid to provide police with information about the illegal alien who shot the store clerk to get money to pay for sex at the illegal alien’s whore house.

  9. Rez said on 28 Apr 2010 at 2:09 pm:
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    Thanks, Truth to Power.

  10. Robert L. Duecaster said on 28 Apr 2010 at 2:12 pm:
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    Excellent post, Saint. Thank you.

  11. Anonymous said on 28 Apr 2010 at 4:53 pm:
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    I am quit shure the right has a hand in this too. Do we not forget that when clinton changed proceedure to nab illegal aliens in 1996 in georgia who were going to harvest the vadalia onion crop they balked at the ins to NOT enforce the immagration laws because it would have allowed the onions to go bad with no workers to harvest them. Follow the money and the truth will set you free. I emailed Warner and Webb that if they dont get a grip on anchore babies and amnesty, I a progressive democrat will vote for the opposition. I think reid is an idiot and he must go. To irk an important allie as Lindsy Grahm shows he is an incompetant. PERIOD

  12. Yawning Wolf said on 28 Apr 2010 at 5:17 pm:
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    I don’t get this comparison of AZ to Nazis. Aren’t the illegals the Nazis in this case? They are the ones invading a nation, just like the Nazis did to France during WWII. Right?

  13. NoVA Scout said on 28 Apr 2010 at 5:51 pm:
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    Pithy, Black Saint. Economy of words is a real strength.

  14. Ray Williams said on 28 Apr 2010 at 6:36 pm:
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    President Obama is the “Pancho Villa” to us progressives that will do all he can to make sure the racist Arizona law is either repealed or totally ignored and thus sequestered en masse. The wave of boycotts has just begun with the tolerant and understanding city of San Francisco setting the forefront to punish Arizona for this terrible act. Republicans can dream all they can about this helping them in November, but they will fail because America is not Nazi Germany.

    Perhaps we should require Republicans to show papers proving they are actually human (NRA membership cards, John Wayne bumper stickers and DD-214’s do not qualify)!

  15. Cynic said on 28 Apr 2010 at 7:23 pm:
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    Right on Black Saint. Right On!

    Lots of traitors here in the USA. But, it will probably take a Revolution of Force to stop the invasion of illegals and do not expect that to happen. None of our corrupt, scummy politicians will take the measures necessary to stop and then reverse this invasion of the illegal scum.

    However, the illegals do expect that the “free” social benefits will flow to them forever. Most of them are so stupid that they do not realize that once - by sheer numbers - they overwhelm the productive capacity of our American economy that the flow of benefits will cease. Even now the President realizes this and is planning to raise taxes and cut back on the retirement benefits that now go to us citizens (who earned them) so that more resources are available to the illegals, druggies, and other assorted bums. But, at some point the well will go dry.

    Will be interesting to see where the parasites (scum traitor politicians and the scum illegals) go for their next host!

    History repeats - Welcome back to the Dark Ages!

  16. BattleCat said on 28 Apr 2010 at 7:47 pm:
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    The real problem here is that the Republican Party is likely to tear itself apart on this issue. Romney, Rubio, Jeb Bush (who we all knew sucked anyway), and many others have denounced Arizona’s attempts to protect themselves. And these jokers are going to ask for folks to vote for them after this? If Arizona can just hang on for a while, other states are looking to join them. Here is the chance for the states to assert their rights to self-defense in the face of a withering attack from the Obumbles administration. Imagine the gall of the feds here to ignore one of their actual Constitutionally-mandated jobs, busy doing everything that isn’t their job, and bashing a state for stepping up to protect themselves.

  17. Anonymous said on 28 Apr 2010 at 9:42 pm:
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    Check back often, NoVa Scout might actually say something of worth one of these days.

  18. Cynic said on 28 Apr 2010 at 10:26 pm:
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    Here is another case of: “just came here to work”.


  19. Citizen12 said on 28 Apr 2010 at 11:33 pm:
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    Ray Williams said on 28 Apr 2010 at 6:36 pm:
    something about our president now being Mexican?


    Well Mr. Ray it is that mindless babble that had people going out of their way to buy Shell gas and Union Carbide products back in the eighties. Why? Just because we could.

  20. History said on 29 Apr 2010 at 2:24 am:
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    Most Americans are in agreement that if anyone is breaking the law regardless of background they should be taken off the streets. The part that is clearly where this law parts way is obvious: “reasonable suspicion”. What defines that? Your average white bread American isn’t going to be stopped because they don’t look hispanic and the person who asked about Arizona being compared to the nazis…well, my Father in law can tell you as soon as someone starts asking you for your papers, it has a familiar sound of what he experienced in both auschwitz and buchenwald death camps in nazi germany WWII. He is now almost 83 years of age and doesn’t take light to any form of facism.

  21. BattleCat said on 29 Apr 2010 at 3:54 am:
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    Thanks for trivializing the holocaust!

  22. Anonymous said on 29 Apr 2010 at 5:49 am:
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    So History, if you are willing to make the connection to the actions of the nazi based on asking people for papers, then is it not fair to connect the uninvited and illegal flood of foreigners across this nation’s border as an invasion?

  23. MoonHowlingsReporter said on 29 Apr 2010 at 6:37 am:
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    History should go back to moonhowlings where they belong - that kind of talk about PWC and the nazis is encouraged over there!

  24. Rez said on 29 Apr 2010 at 7:30 am:
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    History, “reasonable suspicion” is a legal standard used in many laws–


  25. Howard the Duck said on 29 Apr 2010 at 8:26 am:
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    I doubt a holocaust survivor would trivialize that event by comparing it to the new Arizona law.

    Israel built a wall to keep people out. Israel guards their borders. They know there are people out to overthrow their country.

    What are the Arizonans to do? Do they allow their state to descend into a cesspool where people don’t want to vacation? Now they are exposed to a boycott.

    This is a reconquista invasion. Mexico wants the southwest. They use our tolerance and decency against us.

    Another thing: We are about to experience another boat lift, a much bigger boat lift. Mexico is about to explode and huge numbers will flee across our open border.

    Really, there is no debate. Stand with the Arizonans!

  26. Connor (Biff) Henry said on 29 Apr 2010 at 8:46 am:
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    I know not what course others will take this winter; but as for me, I’ll vacation in Arizona!

  27. American Veteran said on 29 Apr 2010 at 10:08 am:
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    God Bless the State of Arizona leadership and the Arizona electorate! American is moving towards a national dialogue called . . . . “Arizona or Amnesty.” This is a good thing. Ultimately, the US Constitition is at stake.

    Conservatives will lead the way to hold the Republic together. The Democrats and the rest of the Left will gain the “transparency” that Obama likes to claim - and the rejection that will accompany it.

    The process will be messy - but we only need to remember - if the Democrat’s lips are moving, he/she is lying.

  28. Hazegray said on 29 Apr 2010 at 10:51 am:
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    BattleCat said

    The real problem here is that the Republican Party is likely to tear itself apart on this issue.

    This is the underlying problem. The Republican business interests tacitly support ilegal immigraton as a source of low cost, non-union labor.
    My antennae go up whenever I hear talk about “controlling our borders” (remember John McCain in 2008?) because I see that as a shell game — when the rate of pay across the southern border is 4-8 times greater on one side than the other, YOU WILL NEVER FULLY CLOSE THE BORDER as long as you give a free pass to successful crossers in meat packiing plants in Nebraska or fish processing plants in Virginia. While border control is important you need some means of randomly checking those farther inland beyond what the 12,000 ICE agrents can do (with an estimated 12M illegal immigrants, that works out to about 1000 illegals per agent). One way to do this is to routinely check papers of ALL individuals who cross the paths of certain officials, as Virginia currently does with “Legal Presence” for drivers license. Vehicle traffic stops (for ALL who are stopped) are another way. In Europe, you routinely have to show a passport when you register at a hotel, and I read recently that all French citizens are required to have identity papers at all times. While some find that intrusive, you need to see what the potential benefit is comparede to the cost. The military does routine, random drug testing of all members; while there was some initial resistance the results in weding out the drug users were so beneficial that those objections have long since passed. Likewise, I would have no objection to random identity checks of ALL citizens inside our borders (at all police traffic stops, job employment application or hospital emergency room admissions), and would be happy to be checked as a price of knowing that others inside our borders were likewise abiding by our laws. The concept has been called “Enforcement By Attrition” — make it impossible to be employed unless you are here legally and those who aren’t will often go home and comply with the rules. As the owner of rental property, we only rent to those who can prove a “legal presence” in Virginia (e.g., Virginia drivers License) — and it has not been a problem… just doing my part to send the right message.

    BTW, the Thursday Washington Post has a “Seeking the best way to boycott Arizona” column by Roberty McCartney, which includes the statement “we need to show Arizona how much its law offends us.”
    His e-mail address is at the end of the column, and you may want to tell him what your thoughts on the issue are….

  29. Robert L. Duecaster said on 29 Apr 2010 at 11:32 am:
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    Hazegray, I’m with you. I’ve been saying the same thing for several years now. It’s not the crazy “anties” on the other site who are the enemy. It’s not the bleeding heart, liberal, open borders crowd who hate themselves and blame their depression on those of us who love and respect this country and its laws who are the enemy. It’s not the poor bastards who stand in front of the Coverstone 7-11 and Race Trac hoping a dry wall installer or lawn maintenance truck will come by and give them a job who are the enemy. It’s not even the small business owners who hire the illegal aliens so they can remain competitive who are the enemy. You can’t blame the Democrats either, who know that 99% of the illegals will vote for them if they get amnesty (or before, if ACORN registers them).

    It’s our elected Republican representatives (most at the national level, but some at the state and local) who have done NOTHING about this problem for the last 25 years who are the enemy. People like George Bush, Tom Davis, Frank Wolf to name just a few. They get their money from the traitors who profit from the presence of illegal aliens and they do not want to upset that apple cart. Sure, they’ll bloviate about building some half-assed fence and funding anti-gang initiatives. But they’re no where to be found when it comes to doing something that will actually result in self-deportation of the illegals, like prosecuting some business owners and real estate agents for hiring or housing illegal aliens. They are the real enemy. And we pull levers for the spineless sumbitches every November.

  30. Black Saint said on 29 Apr 2010 at 12:43 pm:
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    Our government fails the most basic and primary task & duty of government, spelled out in our Constitution Article IV Section IV to protect this Nation and its Citizens from invasion and enforce its laws.

    Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV Section IV of our Constitution.

    This refusal by our Lawless Politicians to abide by our Constitution, enforce our Immigration Laws and honor their Oath of Office should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for Impeachment & trials for Treason!

    Not only have they allowed the invasion, they have aided, encouraged & assisted in this invasion and provided sanctuary for the invaders. While forcing American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens at an rate that Islam Terrorist can only dream about.

    Recent statements in Mexico from both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary something needs to be done. “Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers, and civilians,” Hillary whined.

    But no mention, whines, concern or care that their refusal to stop the Massive Invasion of Illegal Aliens pouring across our borders or enforce our immigration laws that causes an estimated 25 Americans deaths per day and 10,s of thousands victims of Assault, Robberies, Rapes, Identify thief, and other assorted crimes committed by the invading horde of Illegal Aliens on American citizens each year!

    It is a telling indictment & shows their Empathy & Compassion of our Politic class & their priorities are not for the American citizens when they express more concern over Mexicans deaths mostly connected to the Drug trade, than the murders, havoc & crimes of Illegal Aliens against American Citizens!

    The Democrats view the invading horde of Criminals and Uneducated, Prolific breeding, Third World rejects as Undocumented Welfare Democrats & the Republicans as Undocumented Slave labor for their Pay Masters in the Chamber of Commerce & Businesses!

    Most of our Politicians in Wash. DC are wading knee deep in innocent American blood and suffering because they put Self Interest & Votes ahead of the interest of American Citizens & the future of this Nation!

    The Citizens of this Nation have not sacrificed with blood, sweat & tears for over 200 years & obeyed the Laws of the land, paid the taxes, and fought the wars & built this Nation to see Corrupt politicians turn this Nation into the United States of Mexico without a shot being fired, to serve their demented, nefarious goals!

  31. Hazegray said on 29 Apr 2010 at 2:07 pm:
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    Here is a clip from a new proposal reportedly being released by the Senate Majority Leader:

    “The 26-page draft obtained by CNN attempts to woo GOP senators in part by calling for “concrete benchmarks” to secure the border before granting illegal immigrants the opportunity to gain legal status.”

    Once again, the focus is on “securing the border” — doublespeak for a pass on any aggressive internal enforcement — and see if we can sell the shell game one more time. If there was no prospect of obtaining work, the border security problem would wither to a far more manageable issue and die on its own. Watch what they do, not what they say….

  32. local gop said on 29 Apr 2010 at 2:50 pm:
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    The only problem that i have with this law is the incredibly low burden is suspicion that is necessary for a stop to be made. making stops on the street and checking IDs is nothing new. terry stops have been ruled perfectly legal by the courts. but the standard for terry stops are probable cause. this AZ law is really nothing more than a terry stop applied specifically to illegal immigrants, but they lowered the standard to reasonable suspicion, significantly lower than probable cause. this will surely trigger a supreme court ruling on this case. they may uphold it, they may strike it down. my guess is that they will strike it down on the grounds that it should read probable cause.

  33. Greg L said on 29 Apr 2010 at 3:34 pm:
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    What low burden are you referring to? Just as we did in Prince William County, someone must be detained for a violation of state or federal law in order to be questioned. No stop on the street only for the purpose of making an immigration check would be permitted, and that’s been said over and over again.

  34. ... said on 29 Apr 2010 at 3:41 pm:
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    “but the standard for terry stops are probable cause”

    My research indicates that the standard for terry stops is reasonable suspicion.

    “Three Requirements for a Constitutional Terry Investigatory Stop

    * The officer must posses articulable grounds for a reasonable suspicion that the detainee is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime
    * The officer must conduct the investigation as expeditiously as possible in order to minimize the period of involuntary detention
    * The officer must stay within the investigative boundaries allowed for Terry stops ”


  35. Rez said on 29 Apr 2010 at 3:58 pm:
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    As far as I know, the standard for Terry Stops was precisely a reasonable suspicion rather than probable cause. If in the Terry Stop, further information becomes more evident, then an arrest could be made based on probable cause.

    Under Terry, each case has to be argued on its own facts as to whether there was reasonable suspicion on the part of the officer to conclude that criminal activity is/has or will be committed. Reasonable means would a reasonable person conclude that criminal activity and an officer can only search according to the suspicion.

    For example, if an officer sees a person in a vehicle and believes that there is a gun on the seat for which the person hurriedly tries to hide under the seat, the officer can search for the gun under the seat. The officer cannot also search for drugs in the glove compartment because it was not part of the reasonable suspicion.

    If the officer discovers the gun under the seat as the officer suspected, it still isn’t necessarily probable cause because under questioning, the driver can produce a conceal permit and indicate that the driver was merely putting the weapon back under the seat and was not attempt to “hide” it. So there would still have to be probable cause to arrest even though there was reasonable suspicion to search.

    So a lot of the scenario depends on the individual facts of the case.

    At least that is my understanding of Terry v. Ohio.

    I believe the constitutionality of the statute may rest on Federal preemption. I suppose it is possible that vagueness could be looked into but that doesn’t appear to be one of the complaints.

  36. Rez said on 29 Apr 2010 at 3:59 pm:
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    sorry …, I am saying the same thing it just took me too long :)

  37. Hazegray said on 29 Apr 2010 at 5:16 pm:
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    I noted earlier that WaPo columnist McCartney wrote in his Washington Post column today that today that “Until reform arrives, we need to show Arizona how much its law offends us.”

    I just came across his e-mail (it is NOT on the Post electronic edition). For those who would like to comment further — and I already have done so — Robert McCartney’s WaPo e-mail is “mccartneyr@washpost.com.”

  38. Anonymous said on 29 Apr 2010 at 7:28 pm:
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    I’m sure the police in Arizona are smart enough not to do anything that will cause the state legal problems, however I’m also sure that there will be many who will try their best to instigate a situation with cameras rolling where police will have to deal with an illegal immigrant on the open street.

  39. BattleCat said on 29 Apr 2010 at 7:58 pm:
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    Well, Oblunders seems to have taken CIR off the legislative agenda for this year, and Utah and other states are looking to enact similar laws. If the folks in Arizona can hang in there for a while, other states will join them. Keep your fingers crossed!

  40. Anonymous said on 29 Apr 2010 at 9:22 pm:
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    So as the nation is gearing up for a huge fight over CIR the pres is backing out. Now that is what I call a government representative! The government’s only involvement will be to try and stop Arizona. This should also embolden other states to act since it is for sure the feds aren’t going to do anything. The Dems are damned for sure!

  41. Groveton said on 29 Apr 2010 at 9:47 pm:
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    I don’t know how often you guys travel internationally. I do it all the time. I have learned to carry my US passport with me at all times when I am abroad. Certainly, there is no way anywhere to check into a hotel room or exchange currency without showing your passport (which often requires that the first page be photocopied). In my younger days I would frequent the bars in various European capitals. Walking down the sidewalk, perhaps a bit loud, speaking in English would often prompt a German / Swiss / Italian police officer to walk up and start asking questions in the local language. When I’d sputter out my best. “I am sorry but I only speak English” in the local language, the police offocer would ask in usually clear English, “do you have a passport?’. I’d say, “yes” and produce my passport. They’d look at it and tell me to be careful in this part of town.

    No harm. No foul.

    Their country. Their rules. I am a visitor. I never felt threatened or prejudiced against.

    Of course, I was in the country legally.

    Dear Leader loves Europe. Maybe he should ask one of his less recognizable friends to take a walk through the red light distriact in Amsterdam speaking American accenter English in a loud voice.

    Everybody protects their borders.

    Everybody except us.

  42. Congratulations! said on 30 Apr 2010 at 1:38 am:
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    No one is trivializing the Holocaust! Anyone who thinks that doesn’t follow the history of what led up to the rise of nazi germany. It became a police state. They said that it was in the best interests of their cause. We all know contrary.

  43. MoonHowlingsReporter said on 30 Apr 2010 at 7:00 am:
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    “Congratulations!” - go back to Moonhowlings where trivializing of the holocaust is tolerated. We all know the thinking there is that PWC is the capital of racism and that it is full of Nazi’s including the BOCS Chairman. All quotes from their favorite idiot kghottardt.

  44. park'd said on 30 Apr 2010 at 8:27 am:
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    /me claps for Robert L. Duecaster’s 11:32am post yesterday. The real problem is the so-called Republicans that have been ‘representing’ us for the past 20 years and the fact that most people here keep voting for them. It also amazes me that Eric Holder can mobilize the DOJ to investigate the legality of Arizona’s new law BUT 18 months later still hasn’t been able to convict, yet alone even LAUNCH a single investigation on any of the major players on Wall Street for the greatest fraud and fleecing that the world has ever seen. Yet not mere weeks after TARP was passed most of you here voted again for Wolf who happily and ignorantly voted for TARP…

    Insanity is the only word that comes to mind. Vote for ham sandwich instead of for any incumbent in November.

  45. Robert L. Duecaster said on 30 Apr 2010 at 9:59 am:
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    And Park’d, you can extend your amazement to the local level. Prince William County, as the crazies on the anti site are so fond of pointing out, had one of the highest rates of foreclosures in the nation once the Sheiss hit the economic fan. Common sense would tell you that out of those thousands of foreclosures, a substantial number of the mortgages were obtained fraudulently. Fraud is a state crime. How many prosecutions for mortgage fraud by Mr. Ebert and his crew of Democrats have you heard of? None. Zippo. How many investigations for mortgage fraud by our Democrat-run police force have you heard of? None. Zippo.

    What’s my point? The same as yours. Regardless of the level of the government, regardless of the party, people like you and I are taking it in the shorts. Writing in farcical names on a ballot each November might provide some levity to our rising frustration, but it does not address the problem. The problem is a government that is not representing the majority of its contituents’ interests, regardless of which party is in charge. Such a problem demands resolution, one way or another.

    Beware the resolution, and be prepared for it.

  46. MoonHowlingsReporter said on 30 Apr 2010 at 12:13 pm:
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    The crazies on the anti site want you to believe the resolution was solely responsible for the mortgage crisis in PWC and fraud had nothing to do with it. They’ve said it over and over and over again - if not for the resolution the foreclosure rate in PWC would have been just like any other county in the area.

  47. Robert L. Duecaster said on 30 Apr 2010 at 1:33 pm:
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    @ MoonHowlingsReporter said on 30 Apr 2010 at 12:13 pm:

    As Perot would say, “Stay with me now.” I was not talking about “The Resolution.” I was talking of a resolution (as in resolving) the problem that we taxpaying, law-abiding, legal residents and citizens are facing with a governing system comprised of two major parties, neither of which works for or represents our interests. My prediction is that eventually that problem will be resolved, but not without great social, economic, and political upheaval. My advice is that you and I should be prepared for that upheaval.

    Didn’t the “anti’s” blame me for the foreclosures in PWC and the resultant financial debacle in the country and the world, as well as the recent plague of locusts in Senagal? I’ve been patiently waiting for my subpoena to testify to Congress, and have been practicing trading earthy homilies with Senator Levin, but the subpoena has not arrived. Could the Anti’s have been wrong about me? Could we all be victims, as I said in 2007, of an organized invasion? One in which everyone profited. One in which government officials of both the US and Mexico instigated and participated. Thenl someone realized that the mortgage salad couldn’t be chopped up any finer, and that it just would not support the financial pyramid that the brokers, lenders, appraisers, and investment houses built on it. And who got hurt? Us. The same folks who were being hurt by the Invasion itself, because no one was looking out for our interests.

    Whose fault was that (that no one was looking out for us)? Should we blame our Representatives? Should we blame one Party or the other? Or should we blame ourselves?

    As the Bard said, Sometimes we are masters of our own fates. The fault, dear MoonHowlingsReporter, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.

    It’s time we Underlings took control.

  48. The Patriot (Got E-Verify???) said on 1 May 2010 at 6:50 am:
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    “MLB players’ union opposes Arizona immigration law”

    This quote is just amazing…

    “NEW YORK (AP) — Given a chance to take part in the 2011 All-Star game at Arizona, Ozzie Guillen insists he won’t go.

    “I wouldn’t do it,” the Chicago White Sox manager said Friday. “As a Latin American, it’s natural that I have to support our own.”


    “Guillen, from Venezuela, became an American citizen in 2006.”

    Put both parts together and we have an issue…

  49. Dave in PWC said on 1 May 2010 at 7:45 am:
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    For all you baseball fans that disagree with the MLB Players Association’s statement you can let them know how you feel at:


    I let them know that I was planning on supporting the Arizona Diamondbacks when they came to DC in August. I actually got a response about 20 minutes after I emailed that wasn’t automatically generated.

  50. Citizen12 said on 1 May 2010 at 11:24 am:
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    It should come as no surprise that the MLB Union should oppose any immigration law as they have had a hand in violating immigration law for decades. And like most big business operations they have spread enough money around to secure the political favor needed to continue.

    Ozzie Guillen represents what seems to be the most common Hispanic view point we see reflected in the media.

    This pin head has been an American citizen since 2006, has captured the benefits of living in America for who knows how long, yet will still pledge his allegiance to “Latin America”.

    The head line should read:

    Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, from M.L.B. player to major league P.O.S.

    The puppets continue their dance on the stage of the New World Order.

  51. legal2 said on 1 May 2010 at 11:35 am:
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    Patriot, they, like Obama, have no intention of assimilating, just taking over.

  52. Anonymous said on 1 May 2010 at 12:41 pm:
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    That head line should read:

    Chicago White Sox manager , Oswaldo José Guillén Barrios, from M.L.B. player to repatriated minor league Venezuelan dirt farmer.

    FU Ozzie , and that H1B visa you rode in on. Give Hugo our regards.

  53. GimmeABreaaaaak! said on 1 May 2010 at 3:36 pm:
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    Of course, you are correct. I’m not asking that the US institute immigration laws as strict as, say, Japan. I’d settle for the average country. Or Mexico.

  54. Anonymous said on 1 May 2010 at 4:20 pm:
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    Speaking of Japan…..

    Mexican Embassy Website (Japan) Directs Mexicans To Follow & Obey Japan Residency Laws - In Detail


    Japan does not fool around with immigration or alien visitors - if you are discovered by the authorities as an undocumented, unauthorized alien, regardless of your race, ethnicity, country of origin or sob story - you will be profiled as a soon-to-be unceremoniously deported trouble maker.

  55. Kevin C said on 1 May 2010 at 6:38 pm:
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    GimmeABreaaaaak! said on 1 May 2010 at 3:36 pm: “Of course, you are correct. I’m not asking that the US institute immigration laws as strict as, say, Japan. I’d settle for the average country. Or Mexico.”

    Now WHY hasn’t someone suggested this BEFORE ???

    WHY doesn’t the United States use the SAME immigration guidelines as MEXICO ???

    BRILLIANT !!!!!

  56. charles said on 1 May 2010 at 6:43 pm:
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    the anti’s are stupid, nuff said about that one.

    the illegals dont want anything close to assimilation, I remember an article in the Potomac news awhile back about a woman who had been here illegally for 21 years and couldnt speak a lick of english, that’s their brand of assimilation.

    They dont want to assimilate, the dont love america, and they hate everyone but themselves. They wave mexican flags at rallies protesting for their “rights” and all they want is a handout.

    We all know these things, but whining liberals keep protesting for them and their so called “rights” problem is, they should not have any rights other than to go back to where they came from.

    illegal aliens are a disgusting scourge on our country. I hope many other states follow arizona’s lead and make these invaders realize they are not welcome here.

  57. Cynic said on 1 May 2010 at 7:23 pm:
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    Here we go. See what happens when you profile illegals crossing our southern border? They get caught and arrested just for shooting Deputies! Do hope they all get the death penalty.

    Kevin C.,

    When it was mentioned on this Black Velvet blog that Mexico has far tougher and stricter laws on immigration and how they are applied against illegal immigrants, loco, local gop became upset. Can’t use Mexican standards here in the USA. We have to be “more humane”!

  58. Black Saint said on 2 May 2010 at 10:34 am:
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    Today, Mexico’s declaration of war on America moves with quickening speed & increasing Violence as they realize American is weak and without the will or desire of our Corrupt/Lawless Politicians to protect this Nation and its Citizens or to enforce our Laws!

    Mexico,s modern day General Calderon is not content with just retaking the Southwest. He invades all American states by the largest Invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means, anywhere in the world!

    This invasion is encouraged, abetted and organized by the Mexican state and supported by all citizens in Mexican society. Calderon provides his ‘troops’ with maps, water, provisions and aid to invade America’s border.

    Our President & U.S. Congress aids, abets and encourages this invasion by failing to defend our borders, by providing 100.s of billions in benefits to the invaders & by Promising them Amnesty & American Citizenship as a reward for their Invasion & for committing numerous felonies against American Citizens!

    This refuse by our Politicians, Pass & Present, to abide by our Constitution against Invasion, enforce our Laws & Honor their Oath of Office by defending American Citizens & this Nation from Invasion is Treason. Pure & Simple!

  59. cdubbs said on 2 May 2010 at 12:00 pm:
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    Here is the definative answer about all this nonsense about Arizona.

    It says right in the US government guide “Welcome the the United States- A new guide for immigrants” on page 8 that “it is your responsibility to carry proof of your permanent residence status at all times”.

    This was not written by the nazis, it is an official US Government publication.

    On Page 11 it says: “If you are a permanent resident who is 18 years or
    older, you must carry proof of your immigration status. You must show it to an immigration officer if asked for it.” The publication also goes on to describe in detail what the penalities are for breaking the law. Check out page 18.

    So what is the deal here? I guess the whole issue of police acting in lieu of “immigration officers” is what folks are trying to hang their hats on maybe. But I have seen NO ONE point to this simple publication in any blog or the media yet to try to answer the moonbats. I saved a copy in case the White House directs it to be taken down.

  60. Anonymous said on 2 May 2010 at 6:55 pm:
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    Here we have the mocking POTUS using Arizona as a punching bag:


    What a useless sack of sorry sock puppet this Obama guy is.

  61. Dave in PWC said on 2 May 2010 at 7:09 pm:
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    Thanks cdubbs for pointing out to everyone what people have been saying about the Arizona law, too bad MSM won’t even acknowledge this.

  62. Anonymous said on 2 May 2010 at 8:54 pm:
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    Gabriella is who you get when legal immigration is the law of the land.


    Jesus Ruben Moncada is who you get when illegal immigration is the law of the land.


    Take your pick, people.

  63. Anonymous said on 3 May 2010 at 3:49 am:
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    One of the bigger problems with the Arizona law is how it applies to people born in the United States and living in one of the other 49 states.

    As someone noted, only an Arizona driver’s license is acceptable proof of citizenship. What if you are born in Minnesota and have a Virginia driver’s license? That’s not going to be acceptable.

  64. Robert L. Duecaster said on 3 May 2010 at 9:16 am:
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    Next time you’re blogging at 4 AM, read the law, Anonymous.

  65. Black Saint said on 3 May 2010 at 1:09 pm:
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    Mexico is an Naco-terrorist State on our open borders and far more dangerous to the USA than Iraq & Afghanistan combined!

    But our Corrupt/Pandering politicians of both parties refuse to abide by our Constitution against invasion, refuse to enforce our immigration Laws and refuse to honor their Oath of office, due to the Latino vote? maybe.

    Criminals & Illegal Aliens march in our streets all across the land demanding their non-existing rights, demanding we cede this Nation to them, riot, wave their flags and spit on American, its Government, Laws, Constitution, and Citizens, still our Federal Government does nothing!

    Our border states are overwhelmed, overmanned ,outgunned, & overran from the invasion by Illegal Aliens & Armed Banditos, killing Citizens and Law enforcement personnel and our Federal government does nothing.

    Our neighborhoods are flooded with gangs, graffito & trash, Mexican flags fly in barrios coast to coast , Barrios where none dare go but Hispanic, our ER rooms destroyed, Hospitals closed, Schools overwhelmed, 100,s billions spent on Welfare for the invaders, States bankrupted, Americans Citizens by the 10,of thousands are Robbed, Raped and Slaughtered each year by the invading horde & our Federal Government does nothing!

    Why? The Drug Cartel has bought Mexico! Could it be they have bought American also?

    The Presidents, past & present and most of the Politicians in Wash, DC plus Mayors in our sanctuary cities from coast to coast should to be arrested and tried for Treason!

  66. Black Saint said on 3 May 2010 at 1:13 pm:
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    The Mexican Drug Cartel is in all 50 American States, Illegal gangs in American cities coast to Coast and the Drug revenues are estimated to be 141 Billion per year. Maybe the question American citizens should be asking is how much the billions from the Drug Cartel will buy.

    White House, Justice Dept, Most Democrat Politicians, thousands of propagandist in the press, 50 % of the Republicans, etc etc in other words a Nation!

  67. Cynic said on 3 May 2010 at 3:38 pm:
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    Black Saint says: The Presidents, past & present and most of the Politicians in Wash, DC plus Mayors in our sanctuary cities from coast to coast should to be arrested and tried for Treason!

    Cynic says:
    And if found guilty, given the Death Penalty.

  68. Black Saint said on 3 May 2010 at 7:21 pm:
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    Today, Mexico’s undeclared war on America moves with quickening speed & increasing Violence. They realize American is weak and without the will or desire by our Corrupt/Lawless Politicians to protect this Nation and its Citizens!

    Mexico,s modern day General Calderon is not content with just retaking the Southwest. He invades all American states by the largest Invasion of any Nation, at any time in History, by any means, anywhere in the world!

    This invasion is encouraged, abetted and organized by the Mexican state and supported by all citizens in Mexican society. Calderon provides his ‘troops’ with maps, water, provisions and aid to invade America’s border & subvert its Laws & Constitution!

    Our President & U.S. Congress aids, abets and encourages this invasion by failing to defend our borders, by providing 100.s of billions in benefits to the invaders & by Promising them Amnesty & American Citizenship as a reward for their Invasion & for committing numerous felonies against American Citizens!

    Any other Nation in the world would consider an Invasion aided, abetted, organize and promoted by a foreign POWER to be an Act of War!

    Are our Politicians are too Political Correct, Weak, Corrupt and Spineless to protect American Citizens! Or Maybe????????????/

    Most of the Politicians & Law Enforcement in Mexico are bought off by the Drug Cartel one must wonder, if some, if not most of the racial defenders of this Invasion in the Press & by our Politicians are not like their Mexican counter parts!

    This refuse by our Politicians, Pass & Present, to abide by our Constitution against Invasion, enforce our Laws & Honor their Oath of Office by defending American Citizens & this Nation from Invasion is Treason. Pure & Simple!

  69. Black Saint said on 3 May 2010 at 7:40 pm:
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    Comprehensive immigration reform is compromise? A compromise for whom? Sure the illegals get Amnesty and illegals employers get cheap labor to reward them for breaking the law. But what do the American people get?

    Higher taxes, more crime, lower wages, congestion, failed schools, overburdened emergency rooms, ecological ruin, etc. etc.

    That’s a compromise? Really? A compromise for the greedy, lawless and sleazy to be sure. But the American people… Not exactly.

    Oh yeh, they get a promise that the borders will be enforced and illegal employers punished. Someday. A promise that have been repeatedly made and violated every time.

    Indeed, the current administration already claims that our border are secure and employers are being punished (perhaps one in a million). Is rewarding illegal aliens and criminal employers really going to change any of this? In a word, no.

    So what would real comprehensive immigration reform look like? Control the borders (all of them) now. Make it effectively impossible for illegals to work in the U.S. Abolish birthright citizenship. Implement full interior enforcement by allowing every police officer to arrest illegals where probable cause exists.

    Why use local police? Many reasons. However, two reasons stand out. First, local police as a practical matter generally know who the illegals are. Not in every case of course. However, being an illegal alien isn’t that subtle a thing. Illegals typically have obviously fake IDs or no IDs at all. They don’t speak English. They can’t answer reasonable questions about where they were born. When did they obtain legal status? Where? This is all standard police work and police officers know how to do it.

    The second reason for using local law enforcement is simply numbers. We have around 700,000 police officers in the U.S. If each police officer removed 2 illegals a year, the illegal population would decline by 1.4 million a year. In a few years all of the illegals would be gone. In practice once serous enforcement started the vast majority of illegals would leave on their own with no assistance from law enforcement.

    The advocates of “comprehensive” immigration reform are really saying “trust us, give us the Amnesty and cheap labor we grace and we WILL enforce the law in the future”. However, the proof that they are lying is that they bitterly oppose all efforts to enforce our immigration laws right now and have spent the last 20 year successfully doing the same thing.

    However, even if the U.S. is not going to enforce our immigration laws, why reward illegal aliens and illegal employers with Amnesty. Where is the upside in enabling illegals to be a greater burden on our society?

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