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	<title>Comments on: Three Years Later: We Are Safer</title>
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		<title>By: Just the Facts</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96035</link>
		<dc:creator>Just the Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96035</guid>
		<description>News flash - 

U.S. District Judge Susan R. Bolton just issued injunctions against four sections of Arizona S.B. 1070 but left the following sections intact:

Section 7 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 23-212: amending the crime of knowing employment of
unauthorized aliens

Section 8 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 23-212.01: amending the crime of intentional employment of
unauthorized aliens

Section 9 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 23-214: amending the requirements for checking employment eligibility

Corey's Rule of Law campaign (http://coreystewart.com/ruleoflaw) proposes implementing laws that track Arizona S.B. 1070 in Virginia.  However, he has nothing in his proposal about cracking down on illegal employers.  The judge just ruled that such measures are legal.  From all evidence we've seen they are effective.

What are we waiting for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News flash - </p>
<p>U.S. District Judge Susan R. Bolton just issued injunctions against four sections of Arizona S.B. 1070 but left the following sections intact:</p>
<p>Section 7 of S.B. 1070<br />
A.R.S. § 23-212: amending the crime of knowing employment of<br />
unauthorized aliens</p>
<p>Section 8 of S.B. 1070<br />
A.R.S. § 23-212.01: amending the crime of intentional employment of<br />
unauthorized aliens</p>
<p>Section 9 of S.B. 1070<br />
A.R.S. § 23-214: amending the requirements for checking employment eligibility</p>
<p>Corey&#8217;s Rule of Law campaign (http://coreystewart.com/ruleoflaw) proposes implementing laws that track Arizona S.B. 1070 in Virginia.  However, he has nothing in his proposal about cracking down on illegal employers.  The judge just ruled that such measures are legal.  From all evidence we&#8217;ve seen they are effective.</p>
<p>What are we waiting for?</p>
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		<title>By: Just the Facts</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96034</link>
		<dc:creator>Just the Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96034</guid>
		<description>Advocator – Businesses claiming not to be INS agents is a very lame argument used to weasel out of complying with the law and to continue hiring cheap, illegal labor.  Have a look at the Form I-9:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf

It states clearly that;

“The purpose of this form is to document that each new employee (both citizen and noncitizen) hired after November 6, 1986 is authorized to work in the United States.”

and

“All employees (both citizen and noncitizen) hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete Form I-9”

Businesses are already required to have this form on file for all employees (unless hired on or before November 6, 1986).  Moreover, EVerify is an easy, free resource.  Even the Moonhowlings.net people posted a video on how easy EVerify is to use.  They ran a thread supporting employment verification.

If easy, free resources such as EVerify exist, employers are already required by law (but not complying) to have a Form I-9 on file for all employees, and everyone including BVBL and Moonhowlings thinks it’s a good idea, why doesn’t Stewart press for it?

The clear reason is that his developer and business campaign contributors don’t want it.

If Corey Stewart is serious about cracking down on illegal immigration rather than just using it as a campaign issue, he will immediately propose to the Board of County Supervisors (and get passed) a law mandating that Prince William County will issue no business license to anyone who does not have the Forms I-9 on file for all employees and documents that all employees were vetted through EVerify.  Moreover, the County will deal with no contractors or sub-contractors who do not do the same.  The County will enforce this law by regular, random audits of businesses’ employee records.

No businesses will be exempted for any reason.

This proposal does not place anyone in the position of having to verifty employment status absolutely.  It does put in place a process of due diligence that will eliminate most of the hiring of illegal labor in Prince William County.

How about it Corey?  Are you ready to do something that will really make a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advocator – Businesses claiming not to be INS agents is a very lame argument used to weasel out of complying with the law and to continue hiring cheap, illegal labor.  Have a look at the Form I-9:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf</a></p>
<p>It states clearly that;</p>
<p>“The purpose of this form is to document that each new employee (both citizen and noncitizen) hired after November 6, 1986 is authorized to work in the United States.”</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>“All employees (both citizen and noncitizen) hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete Form I-9”</p>
<p>Businesses are already required to have this form on file for all employees (unless hired on or before November 6, 1986).  Moreover, EVerify is an easy, free resource.  Even the Moonhowlings.net people posted a video on how easy EVerify is to use.  They ran a thread supporting employment verification.</p>
<p>If easy, free resources such as EVerify exist, employers are already required by law (but not complying) to have a Form I-9 on file for all employees, and everyone including BVBL and Moonhowlings thinks it’s a good idea, why doesn’t Stewart press for it?</p>
<p>The clear reason is that his developer and business campaign contributors don’t want it.</p>
<p>If Corey Stewart is serious about cracking down on illegal immigration rather than just using it as a campaign issue, he will immediately propose to the Board of County Supervisors (and get passed) a law mandating that Prince William County will issue no business license to anyone who does not have the Forms I-9 on file for all employees and documents that all employees were vetted through EVerify.  Moreover, the County will deal with no contractors or sub-contractors who do not do the same.  The County will enforce this law by regular, random audits of businesses’ employee records.</p>
<p>No businesses will be exempted for any reason.</p>
<p>This proposal does not place anyone in the position of having to verifty employment status absolutely.  It does put in place a process of due diligence that will eliminate most of the hiring of illegal labor in Prince William County.</p>
<p>How about it Corey?  Are you ready to do something that will really make a difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96022</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96022</guid>
		<description>Again, Park'd, you and I are singing off the same sheet of music.  When I originally drafted "The Resolution," and proferred it to Mr. Stirrup, it had the same intent as the AZ law, i.e., to determine the legal status of EVERYONE stopped by the police, if reasonable suspicion existed to believe they were in the country illegally.  Once in the hands of the BOCS, it morphed into this toothless abomination and would remain toothless regardless of Deane's predilections for enforcing it.  At least the 287g portion remained intact.  

The practical effect of passing "The Resolution" was that it effectively reversed Deane's secret order to the police force that would have turned this county into a sanctuary for illegal aliens.  

As for ridding this County of Deane, I believe Mr. Stewart made a serious miscalculation based upon extremely poor sophomoric advice when he tried to paint Deane as treasonous because he (Deane) met with some Mexican diplomats.  So much political capital was expended by Stewart in that abortive endeavor that Deane's position was solidified.  Now we're stuck with the sumbitch (Deane) until he decides to leave on his own terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Park&#8217;d, you and I are singing off the same sheet of music.  When I originally drafted &#8220;The Resolution,&#8221; and proferred it to Mr. Stirrup, it had the same intent as the AZ law, i.e., to determine the legal status of EVERYONE stopped by the police, if reasonable suspicion existed to believe they were in the country illegally.  Once in the hands of the BOCS, it morphed into this toothless abomination and would remain toothless regardless of Deane&#8217;s predilections for enforcing it.  At least the 287g portion remained intact.  </p>
<p>The practical effect of passing &#8220;The Resolution&#8221; was that it effectively reversed Deane&#8217;s secret order to the police force that would have turned this county into a sanctuary for illegal aliens.  </p>
<p>As for ridding this County of Deane, I believe Mr. Stewart made a serious miscalculation based upon extremely poor sophomoric advice when he tried to paint Deane as treasonous because he (Deane) met with some Mexican diplomats.  So much political capital was expended by Stewart in that abortive endeavor that Deane&#8217;s position was solidified.  Now we&#8217;re stuck with the sumbitch (Deane) until he decides to leave on his own terms.</p>
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		<title>By: park'd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96020</link>
		<dc:creator>park'd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96020</guid>
		<description>Is Deane still on the job? Yes. Therefore the resolution = FAIL. I know if I am Chairman of the BoCS and if my police chief tells me to pound sand and that he will not enforce a resolution that passed overwhelmingly in session then that police chief will not have his job for much longer. Here we are 3 years later and Deane is still on the job and Stewart is once again jawboning about taking the resolution statewide. In the meantime take a look out your window in Manassas Park, City of Manassas and certain parts of PWC. There are more illegals now and more dilapidation, overcrowding and squalor than ever before. 

Stewart's relevance meter on this issue = E\_____F and it will remain that way until he does what he should have done 3 years ago, which is handle the insubordination within his ranks. He should not be given a pass on this failure and it should be brought to his attention every time he opens his mouth about the so called 'success' of the resolution or his ideas of taking it statewide. The fact that there was no wordage in the resolution about cracking down on those that hire illegal aliens and the fact that Deane was never ousted is a clear sign to me that Stewart never meant business and that this was just a vote gathering exercise. My 2c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Deane still on the job? Yes. Therefore the resolution = FAIL. I know if I am Chairman of the BoCS and if my police chief tells me to pound sand and that he will not enforce a resolution that passed overwhelmingly in session then that police chief will not have his job for much longer. Here we are 3 years later and Deane is still on the job and Stewart is once again jawboning about taking the resolution statewide. In the meantime take a look out your window in Manassas Park, City of Manassas and certain parts of PWC. There are more illegals now and more dilapidation, overcrowding and squalor than ever before. </p>
<p>Stewart&#8217;s relevance meter on this issue = E\_____F and it will remain that way until he does what he should have done 3 years ago, which is handle the insubordination within his ranks. He should not be given a pass on this failure and it should be brought to his attention every time he opens his mouth about the so called &#8217;success&#8217; of the resolution or his ideas of taking it statewide. The fact that there was no wordage in the resolution about cracking down on those that hire illegal aliens and the fact that Deane was never ousted is a clear sign to me that Stewart never meant business and that this was just a vote gathering exercise. My 2c.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96019</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96019</guid>
		<description>I totally agree with you, JTF, in principle.  The devil is in the implementation of the principle.  One argument by the business owners is that they are not INS agents and therefore cannot determine who is legal and who is not.  Consequently, they will just play it safe by not hiring Hispanics, who make up the majority of the illegal alien population in this area.  As a result, many legal Hispanics will be discriminated against because employers will just want to play it safe.  I see this as a legitimate concern. 

Requiring the use of E-verify by employers would not result in discrimination.  If the employer just showed that he checked all new employees using the government's data base, the employer should not be held liable for any mistakes due to using the system.  

The entire state should adopt a requirement for all employers to use E-verify.  The county, at the very least, should require all of its contractors to certify that they use E-verify in their hiring.  These simple measures have been opposed by the various Chambers of Commerce because they believe it will result in higher labor costs.  Duh!  Employers would have to hire legal residents at competitive wages instead of keeping a stable of slave laborers.  Their argument is the same the ante-bellum plantation owners used, and has about as much validity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you, JTF, in principle.  The devil is in the implementation of the principle.  One argument by the business owners is that they are not INS agents and therefore cannot determine who is legal and who is not.  Consequently, they will just play it safe by not hiring Hispanics, who make up the majority of the illegal alien population in this area.  As a result, many legal Hispanics will be discriminated against because employers will just want to play it safe.  I see this as a legitimate concern. </p>
<p>Requiring the use of E-verify by employers would not result in discrimination.  If the employer just showed that he checked all new employees using the government&#8217;s data base, the employer should not be held liable for any mistakes due to using the system.  </p>
<p>The entire state should adopt a requirement for all employers to use E-verify.  The county, at the very least, should require all of its contractors to certify that they use E-verify in their hiring.  These simple measures have been opposed by the various Chambers of Commerce because they believe it will result in higher labor costs.  Duh!  Employers would have to hire legal residents at competitive wages instead of keeping a stable of slave laborers.  Their argument is the same the ante-bellum plantation owners used, and has about as much validity.</p>
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		<title>By: Just the Facts</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96018</link>
		<dc:creator>Just the Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96018</guid>
		<description>The most effective means of controlling illegal immigration at the local level is enforcement directed at employers of illegal labor.  A report last night on the Arizona immigration law featured some day-laborers who had not worked in weeks because, according to them, the employers are now afraid to hire them.  Dry up the work and the illegals go away.  It’s the same principle as a bird-feeder.  Quit putting bird seed in it and the birds won’t come around.

With the ongoing recession and official unemployment still near ten percent (actual unemployment is between fifteen and twenty percent) such enforcement is more critical now than ever.  I don’t believe that there are any jobs Americans won’t do.  There are only jobs Americans won’t do for illegal, sub-minimum wages with employers’ paying no FICA or unemployment and disability insurance on their behalf. 

Unfortunately, we don’t have enforcement against illegal employers in Prince William County.  Our Board of County Supervisors (BOCS) needs to implement this kind of enforcement just like Arizona did.  The truth is, however, that campaign contributions to some members of the BOCS, including Chairman Stewart, from developers and other potentates in the Chamber of Commerce have prevented genuinely effective measures against illegal aliens to be put in place here.

Checking the immigration status of those arrested and deporting any illegals who are caught is effective but only minimally so.  Our Resolution does include such immigration checks and handing over criminal illegal aliens to ICE for deportation.  This part of the resolution has made Prince William County safer to a limited extent by removing some criminals from our midst, but we need to do much more. 

The problem of illegal aliens in Prince William County will never be fully resolved until a complete (I hesitate to say “comprehensive”) program is implemented, and that means action against illegal employers.  When will we have a BOCS willing to stand up to the developers and the Chamber in order to accomplish this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most effective means of controlling illegal immigration at the local level is enforcement directed at employers of illegal labor.  A report last night on the Arizona immigration law featured some day-laborers who had not worked in weeks because, according to them, the employers are now afraid to hire them.  Dry up the work and the illegals go away.  It’s the same principle as a bird-feeder.  Quit putting bird seed in it and the birds won’t come around.</p>
<p>With the ongoing recession and official unemployment still near ten percent (actual unemployment is between fifteen and twenty percent) such enforcement is more critical now than ever.  I don’t believe that there are any jobs Americans won’t do.  There are only jobs Americans won’t do for illegal, sub-minimum wages with employers’ paying no FICA or unemployment and disability insurance on their behalf. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, we don’t have enforcement against illegal employers in Prince William County.  Our Board of County Supervisors (BOCS) needs to implement this kind of enforcement just like Arizona did.  The truth is, however, that campaign contributions to some members of the BOCS, including Chairman Stewart, from developers and other potentates in the Chamber of Commerce have prevented genuinely effective measures against illegal aliens to be put in place here.</p>
<p>Checking the immigration status of those arrested and deporting any illegals who are caught is effective but only minimally so.  Our Resolution does include such immigration checks and handing over criminal illegal aliens to ICE for deportation.  This part of the resolution has made Prince William County safer to a limited extent by removing some criminals from our midst, but we need to do much more. </p>
<p>The problem of illegal aliens in Prince William County will never be fully resolved until a complete (I hesitate to say “comprehensive”) program is implemented, and that means action against illegal employers.  When will we have a BOCS willing to stand up to the developers and the Chamber in order to accomplish this?</p>
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		<title>By: Proud to be a Gringo!</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96013</link>
		<dc:creator>Proud to be a Gringo!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/07/26/three-years-later-we-are-safer/#comment-96013</guid>
		<description>I'm surprised that they put that statement in the program. And how about that economic growth happening in PWC? The illegal alien apologists were very wrong about the resolution hurting the economy weren't they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that they put that statement in the program. And how about that economic growth happening in PWC? The illegal alien apologists were very wrong about the resolution hurting the economy weren&#8217;t they?</p>
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