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Timeline Of An Illegal Alien Murderer

By Greg L | 2 August 2010 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Prince William County | 62 Comments

Many of us are shocked and outraged this evening that an elderly nun who devoted her life to helping victims of domestic abuse could have been killed by a habitual criminal illegal alien.  Many are struggling to figure out how this could have happened, as such a tragedy doesn’t make sense.  Aren’t we the jurisdiction that supposedly deals with the problem of illegal immigration better than any other in Virginia?  Aren’t we deporting illegal aliens at a clip that exceeds every other jurisdiction in the state — combined?

The answers, as distressing as they are, are pretty easy, and demonstrate how only strong cooperation between federal, state and local officials can effectively put a stop to this troubling problem.

Long before Carlos Abraham Martinelly Montano plowed his car headlong into another carrying three nuns to church this past Sunday morning,  he had an extensive record of interactions with local law enforcement and our judicial system.  Because both the Bush and Obama administrations decided to “prioritize” efforts by the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, there’s a threshold that illegal aliens have to really aspire to in order to have federal authorities escort them across the border.  Our dysfunctional judicial system helps to make aspirations to achieve recognized big-time criminal status even harder to obtain by letting cases fall through the cracks, making it ever more difficult for career criminals and drunkards to attract attention until they earn the big prize of killing an innocent person, which gives everyone an opportunity to appear shocked and confused that an illegal alien casually snuffed out the life of a person like Sister Marie Mosier.

This illegal alien first seemed to come on Prince William County Police’s radar in January 5th, 2007 when he was cited for driving too fast for conditions, which was plead down to “improper driving”, when he was fined $50, charged $57 in court costs, and no one ever bothered to determine whether he was an illegal alien or in posession of an invalid driver’s license because Chief Deane’s general order providing sanctuary for misdemeanant illegal aliens was still in effect.  He wasn’t checked, and just breezed through the system.

Just a little while later, on January 26th, Mr. Martinelly Montano was picked up for driving 62 in a 45 MPH zone.  He doesn’t appear in court, and is let go with an $85 fine, $77 in court costs.  At this traffic stop, Mr. Martinelly somehow transitions from “White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic)” in the previous case to “Hispanic” which I’ve been told over and over by police officials isn’t a race and isn’t recorded as one on county documents.  Oh, well, it’s just statistics (that get reported and form the evidentiary basis for policy decisions), right?

On July 9th, this fine gentleman (now recorded as a “White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic)) gets popped for DWI  and his license is suspended for 12 months, he is sentenced to pay a fine of $250, court costs of $182, and serve 30 days in jail of which 30 days (surprise!) are suspended.  He is turned over to ICE because at this point the county is participating n the Section 287(g) Program much to the ire of Mexicans Without Borders.  ICE processes the guy for deportation and releases him on his own recognizance to deport himself, presumably with some threatened penalty that if he fails to do so, ICE isn’t going to be so nice to him the next time.

The fascinating thing here is that this guy is proven to be an illegal alien who cannot under Virginia law enacted in 2005 qualify for a license, but instead of revoking his license, it is merely suspended for 12 months.  The judge in this case (Case number GT07040894-00 in case anyone can track down who this judge was, which isn’t recorded in the Virginia Court Case Information System) utterly fails to catch this problem and essentially sets this criminal up for a repeat which will eventually end up causing the slaughter of a nun who helps domestic abuse victims recover from their ordeal.

On December 10th of 2007, this wonderful contribution to our national diversity is arrested for being intoxicated in public and is now considered “Hispanic”.  Instead of going directly back to ICE for the deportation that he has quite obviously evaded, he actually appeals his conviction to circuit court on January 11th 2008 which affirms the lower court’s ruling after a trial held on March 6th, 2008.  What his sentence was for that isn’t recorded, but obviously he doesn’t draw much of a penalty for his unlawful behavior.

Three days before this trial, on March 3rd, Carlos is arrested for driving without a license, and recorded as “White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic)”.  The case is continued until May 15th at which time no, he is not turned over to ICE for deportation, but he is set free with a “Nolle Prosequi,” which means the Commonwealth just didn’t bother to prosecute the case.  Great job there, Paul Ebert, Mr. Prince William County Commonwealth’s Attorney for not bothering to enforce the suspension of a drivers license for an illegal alien who wasn’t legally allowed to possess one in the first place.  One has to wonder at this point how an illegal alien under a deportation order with a criminal record managed to get “nolle prossed”instead of being put on a bus and sent back to wherever he came from after breaking our laws for the fifth time.

Of course career criminals like this don’t just retire, they move on to better things.  In April 2009 Carlos gets arrested yet again for DWI, and this time he’s sentenced to one year in prison and placed on an ICE detainer.  Eleven months and thirteen days of that sentence are suspended, and after that lengthy stay of seventeen days in jail Carlos is turned over to ICE for deportation.  Again.

ICE lets the guy go.  He’s a “lower level offender,” not a priority for ICE, and left to deport himself with approximately half a million other criminal aliens who have absconded either before their deportation hearings or afterwards failed to depart the country.  This is what the Obama Administration means by “prioritizing” deportations: let’s allow the criminal alien element to graduate to the really big crimes when we can’t ignore them any longer before we bother to deport them.  The justice system again abets what will become the slaughter of a nun.

So on this past Sunday morning, August 1st, at about 8AM three nuns are driving to church on Bristow Road.  Carlos, driving in the other direction was so blitzed that he hit a guard rail, careened across the road, hit the opposite jersey wall, and then ran head-first into a car full of nuns of the Benedictine Order that operate Transitional BARN in Manassas.  One of the nuns dies on the scene.  Police charged Carlos with involuntary manslaughter, driving on a revoked license, and driving while intoxicated, and now he is turned over to the same justice system that set him free with just about no consequence at all the last six times they had this guy in their custody.

This tragedy was entirely preventable, and the mistakes by the federal government, the courts, and the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s office are what made this slaughter of a nun at the hands of an illegal alien possible.  The system to deal with this problem remains broken at all levels (although locally some important improvements have been made), and the result is that innocent lives are lost or ruined as a result.

This isn’t an isolated case, and it’s only remarkable in that not many illegal aliens have managed to slaughter Benedictine Sisters on their way to Church on Sunday mornings.  This travesty of how we deal with illegal aliens happens all the time.  We almost never see an illegal alien killing innocent people as their entre into a life of crime — it always starts with minor offenses and builds to the horrific. The only way this is ever going to be fixed is when we, the American people, demand our state and federal governments to do their job and hold people like Commonwealth’s Attorney Paul Ebert and the judges in these cases to account for the horrific decisions they have made.

That time is now.

UPDATE: WTOP has more:

WTOP reached out in ICE for answers to Stewart’s questioning. ICE spokeswoman Cori Bassett responded in a statement:

“Carlos Abraham Martinelly Montano is currently in immigration removal proceedings. ICE first encountered Montano in October 2008 when he was released to ICE following a local arrest for a DUI charge. ICE immediately placed Montano into removal proceedings by issuing him a notice to appear in immigration court. He was released on his own recognizance and has reported as required, on a monthly basis to ICE.”

Sources also tell WTOP that Montano did not meet ICE’s minimum threshold for mandatory detention and deportation. An illegal immigrant must be convicted of a violent felony to fall into this threshold. Numerous DUI convictions do not qualify as a violent felony.

Yeah, wait for an illegal alien to graduate from obtaining a drivers license fraudulently,  be drunk in public, violate various traffic laws, drive on a suspended license, improperly register a vehicle, and drive while intoxicated before we even pay attention, at which point we will release him and ask him to report on a monthly basis.

I’m sure the Benedictine Sisters will be greatly consoled by ICE’s strong demonstrated commitment to public safety.

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  1. Greg L said on 2 Aug 2010 at 10:32 pm:
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    An update from another thread: Apparently Fairfax County had multiple interactions with this fine gentleman as well:

    “MARTINELLY MONTANO”,”CARLOS“,” “,”021″,”8604″,”PLACID LAKE“,”CT”,”BRISTOW“,”VA”,”09/16/2008″,”DRIVE-OL RVKD/SUSP”

    Fairfax got him on driving without a license and failure to have the vehicle he was driving registered on September 16th. The results in Fairfax: set him free, and not even place an immigration detainer!

  2. june bug said on 2 Aug 2010 at 11:04 pm:
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    This is absolutely obnocious that our Powers to Be can not control this type of person.

    I bet the police and the judges could have this type of charcter appear before them every other day and use a different name and the officials would not recognize it AS
    the xame person.
    Why is it the Innocent person gets killed and the law breaking idiot walks away mainly unharmed? It is not fair. I better watch out ,I’ll be called a racist,but I am noy.

    I said a year or so ago, that one needs to sit in on our Courts in Manassas and see what goes on. Traffic Court is a few minutes,a slap on the wrist and away they go to get out there and do it all over again. There is something wrong with Law Enforcement and the Judges that put up with this. How are we to explain this to our young children?

    We can’t !

    The time is now to demand that our Laws be up-held and crime will be given a heafty fine and jail time.

    I know many policemen would love to see this happen. Many of them just go along to get along. That apparently is Dean’s take on this and it rubs off on the men in the street.

  3. Good Time Charlie said on 2 Aug 2010 at 11:09 pm:
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    The entire justice system is failing/refusing to protect ordinary American citizens. From Charlie Deane to Janet Napolitano to Barack Obama. There is nobody willing to possess the stones to protect us. This is obvious when it takes committing a violent felony in order for an illegal immigrant to finally be detained.

  4. legal2 said on 2 Aug 2010 at 11:11 pm:
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    Sad thing is that the NCCB (Catholic bishops), VOICE, and other useful idiots defend these people being here! They’ll probably use this nun’s funeral to preach their cause.

  5. Gnarly said on 3 Aug 2010 at 7:24 am:
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    If this case doesn’t make Paul Ebert feel some responsibility, then the guy is just void of any conscientious and utterly incapable of feeling guilt and remorse. Take a long look in your mirror this morning Paul!!

  6. VA_Magoo said on 3 Aug 2010 at 7:35 am:
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    Wouldnt just be lovely if someone would sue “ICE” and the Federal Government for derelection of duty and murder. The other fine point of this wonderful transient is the other fact that he was arrested for DWI while under the age of 21! Hell he is only 23 and has been arrested at least 5 times in PWC and what appears to be at least 3 more in Fairfax!

    I hope they keep him locked up, I would take him to D.C. and drop him off at the WH.

    The worse part of this story is not over folks, IF he is deported, he will be back within 2 - 3 years and do it all over again………..

    This madness has got to come to an end. The STATES have a RIGHT to defend their citizens. Immigration enforcement WAS and still is a STATE requirement. The Federal requirement is to make immigration laws not enforce them. Their is NOT suppose to be a Federal Police force. STATES have police authority.

  7. VA_Magoo said on 3 Aug 2010 at 7:38 am:
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    Better yet, I volunteer to pay for his one way ticket to Mexico City.
    IF I get to escort him to the airport.

  8. Moonpie said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:25 am:
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    News reports state that he will be deported back to his native Bolivia.

    It is also reported that his address is 12760 Merrymont (sic) Lane, Bristow, VA. There is a “Merrimont” Lane in Bristow, less than a mile from where I live. It is listed as being owned by an out-of-state landlord, a “Thomas Perez” with a mailing address of 1442 SW Embers Terrace, Coral Gables, FL 33991

    Commonwealth Atty Ebert is on record as stating that Montano was released and allowed to drive because he needed to take his child to daycare…. like somehow this is an acceptable reason for flouting the law.

    There are lots of questions to be asked, and the public needs to keep digging and not allow it to be swept under the rug. How was Montano supporting himself — was it through illegal economic activity, or did he have a local employer who aided and abetted his continued presence in the US?

    Since Montano had a long history with the PW Police, it could probably be surmised that his presence in the area was also aided and abetted by the local school boards, who in essence continue to create sanctuaries for illegal alien children, thereby, reinforcing the benefits of remaining in the US illegally.

    I am sure that Montano also took advantage of the loophole with respect to VA Driver’s Licenses. Although new applicants must provide proof of legal residency, existing illegal alien DL holders were in essence “grandfathered” and were allowed to renew without providing documents — which, during the hearings in Richmond, were supported by advocates from the Catholic church. Kind of ironic.
    Advocates for closing this loophole were told that it would remain policy that illegals could renew without providing docs because “that was what the Commissioner at the DMV wants”.

    Although in the end it wouldn’t have mattered, because Montano, like thousands of other illegal aliens, thumbed his nose at our laws by driving even when his license was suspended. Following the law is not something that these people feel constrained to do — and why should they, when they are amply rewarded for defying and mocking the basic rules of our nation?

  9. Advocator said on 3 Aug 2010 at 9:14 am:
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    Your bit of detective work, Moonpie, could have been done by a local police and the information given to US attorney offices in Virginia and Florida so the owner of the house could have been prosecuted for harboring an illegal alien.

  10. Patty said on 3 Aug 2010 at 9:30 am:
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    To Delegate Jackson Miller and Delegate Bob Marshall,

    How did this illegal alien aquire a Virginia driver’s license? I thought the GA put in place requirements for the DMV to check legal status. Now I wonder…. if illegal aliens can still get VA driver’s licenses how many of them were able to register to vote?

    I would appreciate a response from our delegates.

    Thank you!

  11. Riley said on 3 Aug 2010 at 10:02 am:
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    Paul Ebert’s Commonwealth’s Attorney Office and some of the county’s judges let so much slide it is ridiculous.

    On a Friday afternoon in October 2008 just before 1 p.m., I was stopped in traffic on I-95 southbound around the truck scales just before the Dumfries exit. Prior to that, traffic had been at speed. A woman who wasn’t paying attention to the road slammed into me going 65 MPH. The state trooper ticketed her for reckless driving and indicated that the safe speed when she hit me was 0 MPH. I spent the next 8 months or so going to physical therapy and my car had over $13,000 in damage to it.

    So, what did our lovely Commonwealth’s Attorney office do? They reduced the charge to “improper control / driving” (she didn’t even get speeding or a fine for speeding, just $62 in court costs!) They didn’t notify me that the case was coming up, either, otherwise I would have attended and made sure she didn’t get off so lightly. Then again, the CA’s office is all about cutting deals to clear the docket and screw the victims.

    Prince William County General District Case # - GT08072511-00

  12. Jack said on 3 Aug 2010 at 10:18 am:
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    Now will the Catholic church abandon its open borders, pro-amnesty position?

    The Catholic Church has been a prime influencer in preventing illegals from being deported, preventing the border from being secured and attempting so-called “comprehensive immigration reform”, i.e. AMNESTY.

    While I am saddened for the nuns, the timing of this incident is surely significant.

    Just expect that the pro-amnesty crowd will make this about DUI offenders rather than illegal immigrants. In 3…2..1…

  13. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 10:27 am:
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    Victim: Sister Helen Chaska
    Illegal Alien Rapes Two Catholic Nuns, Kills One

    On September 1, 2002, illegal alien Maximiliano Cilerio Esparza, 32, attacked, beat and sexually assaulted two Immaculate Heart of Mary nuns in Klamath Falls, Oregon, killing one, Sister Helen Chaska, 53, who was strangled to death with her rosary beads.

    Both women were doing missionary work when the crimes occurred. The Immaculate Heart of Mary is an Orthodox Catholic order devoted to helping the sick, hungry, and homeless.

    Klamath County District Attorney Ed Caleb said Esparza had just left “the only strip joint in Klamath Falls” before he attacked the women.

    Esparza was convicted in 1988 of robbery and kidnapping in Los Angeles. He was sentenced to six years in prison, was released in 1992 and was on probation until 1995. By law, this man should have been deported to Mexico after his release.

    “According to police, Esparza head-butted one of the nuns, then beat both to the ground with his fists. He then raped both sisters, twisting each woman’s rosary beads around her neck to control her during the assault. Sister Helen Chaska died at the scene; today’s autopsy results (reported in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer) revealed the cause of death to be ligature strangulation, with Sister Chaska’s rosary beads found embedded in her neck. After the assault the other nun—who, as a sexual assault victim, remains unnamed—returned to her hotel and instructed the night clerk to call the police, who sped the 52-year-old sister to Klamath Falls’ Merle West Medical Center. Before her release, she helped police construct a sketch of the assailant, who was recognized and apprehended within 16 hours.”


  14. Just Observin' said on 3 Aug 2010 at 10:27 am:
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    Yesterday’s e-mail from Delegate Miller:

    August 2, 2010


    The same old story seems to be played over and over again. A heinous crime is again committed by an illegal alien who has a previous arrest record here in the United States. Again, our community is stricken by someone who never should have been in our country in the first place.

    Carlos A. Martinelly Montano was driving drunk here in our county Sunday morning. He drove his vehicle head on into a vehicle occupied by three nuns. Sister Jeanette Marie Mosier was killed at the scene. Sister Charlotte Lange and Sister Connie Lupton were flown to INOVA Fairfax Hospital due to serious injuries. Our community has suffered a stinging blow by what happened on Sunday morning and my thoughts and prayers go out to these women who dedicated their lives to their faith and to serving others.

    I, like many others, am outraged by the fact that Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, a repeat DUI offender, was allowed to remain in the country illegally and ultimately take an innocent life. My question to our President and Congress is, when will you do your sworn job to protect this nation and its citizens from these criminals that flaunt the fact that they are here illegally? You see, Martinelly Montano has been arrested twice before for drunk driving here in the United States. Why on earth was he not deported after his first arrest? I can tell you why. Because President Bush before him, and now President Obama simply do not care about the millions of illegal aliens living here in our country.

    Arizona, in its desperate attempt to enforce the laws which are the responsibility of the federal government to uphold is now being sued by President Obama. The President is taking the side of illegal aliens over the citizens of Arizona. Think about it, Obama is spending an untold amount of money suing the people of Arizona rather than spending those funds to deport the illegal alien criminals who are stopped by Arizona’s police. This is a travesty. What really leaves me perplexed is the fact that the President will not even allocate the resources to deport those illegal aliens who are arrested by local police for commiting local crimes. Local jails around the Commonwealth of Virginia and all over the U.S. are loaded with illegal aliens who have committed local and state crimes. The Department of Homeland Security will only come and pick up those who commit the most serious of offenses. This must change.

    Many in Richmond are no different than President Obama. Year after year the House of Delegates passes legislation cracking down on illegal aliens, especially those who continue to commit crimes here in our community. Yet, year after year the State Senate strikes down these bills that would protect our communities. The State Senate seems to think those like Martinelly Montano should be treated no different than an American citizen. When the 2011 session comes in January you can rest assured that the House of Delegates will again pass bills that will protect us from those like Martinelly Montano. I fear however that the State Senate will continue to ignore tragedies like the one that was cast upon us Sunday morning here in Prince William County.

    May Sister Jeanette Marie Mosier rest in peace. May Sister Charlotte Lang and Sister Connie Lupton recovery fully and quickly. Let us all keep these three women, their families, and the people whose lives they have touched in our prayers.

    Delegate Jackson Miller

  15. Patty said on 3 Aug 2010 at 11:04 am:
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    AOL has a story up about how to beat a traffic ticket:


    They listed three strategies. They forgot the fourth one, be an illegal alien.

    Maybe it’s time for the Commonwealth Attorney’s office to be audited.

  16. park'd said on 3 Aug 2010 at 11:34 am:
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    It’s just so very frustrating to me that local, state and federal politicians and LEO’s keep stonewalling on this issue and instead of enforcement they themselves advocate appeasement and create welcoming environments for idiots like this to commit such terrible crimes. Sanctuary policies and people at the local, state and federal level refusing to do their jobs directly lead to this tragedy. PWC should be an unwelcome environment for people like this but instead, we have a chief who has time and time again come down on the resolution and done everything he could to see that it failed and to create a welcome environment for illegal aliens instead. He has gone on record numerous times with how he feels that the resolution was an exercise in racism. I really want him to explain his beliefs and his actions now. I just am very sad and frustrated that it has lead to this. Questions need to be answered and the BoCS and the state and federal government had BETTER be forthcoming. My prayers go out to this poor woman and her church.

  17. K.O'toole said on 3 Aug 2010 at 11:46 am:
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    And let’s not forget the 4 college students attacked in Newark, leaving 3 dead, one forever wounded. What is it gonna take?

  18. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 11:50 am:
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    Please note, also, that when Carlos was cited for the 62 in a 45 zone back on 1/3/07, he gave his address as Montgomery Village, MD. Also note, when you go searching, sometimes he is Carlos Abraham Martinelly Montano and sometimes Carlos Abraham Martinelly. I wonder what kind of ID he showed with the Montgomery Village, MD, address? A MD license perhaps????

  19. Proud to be a Gringo! said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:09 pm:
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    Apparently the Catholic church feels it is okay to break the laws of man (supporting illegal aliens in the US) while they are outraged when people (gays) break the laws of nature. What’s wrong with their thinking? Money?

  20. Robert L. Duecaster said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:11 pm:
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    My outrage is beyond my ability to describe. That the life of the most innocent and decent among us can be snuffed out due to our governments’ successive failures evokes an ire in me that I have never known before. No one is safe from the Invaders. Not you, not me, not our clergy, not our sons and daughters. Ask yourself what you can do about it. Find an answer and act upon it.

    When the bell tolls for Jeanette Marie Mosier, it tolls for all of us.

  21. Cynic said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:19 pm:
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    Do we know how much money the loony women on the Nut Site have collected to defend this parasitic illegal?

  22. Proud to be a Gringo! said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:30 pm:
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    Found this on another thread. You need to see this.

    Here is a video of part of the support Arizona rally showing the thugs laying out the American flag on the ground during our National Anthem.

    Also- I am willing to start a bank account to solicit funds so that Virginia can bypass the Feds and bus these illegals to the border ourselves….. Just like Sheriff Joe.

  23. Jubbs said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:32 pm:
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    For the record, the address given is wrong, his correct address (or at least listed via his Driver’s License) is:

    8604 Placid Lake Court, Bristow, VA

    This is truly a tragedy, not only on the account of it being perpetrated by an illegal immigrant, but that the loss of life here is one of purity and conviction. It’s a shame, on all fronts, and makes me that much more ashamed at our current political and judicial systems, so much so that I regret focusing my studies on political science.

  24. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:34 pm:
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    I hate to tell you folks this - but this kind of criminal behavior is overlooked for not only illegals, but legals as well in our court rooms in PWC. I used to do probation work in the county and after 7 years of of it, I threw the towel in. I determined that you basically had to kill someone to actually do any significant jail time. I had clients that I was certain would end up in jail and 9 times out of 10, they were continued on probation. They would re-offend while on probation, violated by our office and re-sentenced again to probation. It was not at all uncommon to see 1 offender for several serious charges. I was told by my supervisor that there was no room in the PWC jail for “nonviolent offenders” and this included drug and alcohol charges across the board. The saddest part of this is that this illegal immigrant will be given a one way ticket back to Boliva, but will quickly return to the US and begin his criminal behavior again. Don’t say I didn’t warn you - I’ve seen it first hand.

  25. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:37 pm:
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    Drunk-Driving Illegal Alien Kills Nun

    My headline:Drunk-Driving Bolivian invader, aided and abetted by U.S. Federal government, kills nun, gravely injures two others.

    “VA. driver had record of DUI’s before fatal crash.”

    Jose Walter Tejada of Arlington County : Given the increasing DUI statistics for Virginian “White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic)” males, Arlington County will be ramping up our car-free diet policy, focusing on the afore mentioned offender group.

  26. Jaspar said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:42 pm:
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    Flame on over at this blog:


    Where people in Arlington want to protect scum like Carlos Abraham Martinelly Montano.

  27. Proud to be a Gringo! said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:44 pm:
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    Anonymous we believe you and I am so disgusted by all of it. What makes it worse in the case of an illegal alien is the fact that they should not be here! If they were not HERE there would be less crime. THAT IS A FACT for those that still want to say illegals commit fewer crimes than Americans. ONE crime by an ILLEGAL is ONE TOO MANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. Proud to be a Gringo! said on 3 Aug 2010 at 12:46 pm:
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    Interesting that the “nutbags” are silent on this.

  29. Proud to be a Gringo! said on 3 Aug 2010 at 1:00 pm:
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    Arlington PD Not Planning on Changing Immigration Policy After Cuccinelli Opinion
    August 2nd, 2010 | Author: ARLnow.com

    The Arlington County Police Department does not plan on changing its hands-off immigration policies after Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli ruled that law enforcement can ask about the immigration status of anyone they stop or arrest.
    Cuccinelli’s legal opinion also allows police to arrest individuals suspected of committing criminal violations of immigration laws (such as illegally crossing the border).
    Currently, ACPD will not ask about citizenship status unless such information is relevant to solving a crime. The department does not arrest undocumented immigrants for federal immigration violations, and only reports undocumented immigrants to U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement if they’re:
    Involved in terrorist, subversive or street gang activities
    Arrested for a violent felony
    Convicted of a non-violent felony
    Helping others enter the U.S. through fraud
    “The police department does not plan to change policies at this point,” said police spokesperson Det. Crystal Nosal. “Citizens living or traveling through Arlington should not be worried that our actions will be changing.”
    Nosal said the department wants witnesses and victims of crime to feel safe coming to the police, “regardless of immigration status.”
    Arlington police will, however, continue to enforce all warrants from federal agencies, including immigration-related warrants.

  30. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 1:00 pm:
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    What always astounded me was that we saw ILLEGAL immigrants at the PO’s office. They weren’t embarrassed or afraid because they knew nothing was going to happen to them. We only had one spanish speaking PO and he was completely overworked. Not to mention that our office was small and when an offender came in, he tended to bring his entire family with him - wife, kids, mothers, aunt’s, etc. We were concerned about the young children as we regularly saw sex offenders as well. We put up flyers in both English and Spanish suggesting to clients that they NOT bring their kids to the probation office (who does that anyway?), but they still continued to bring them. A lot of people think that once it is determined that an individual is illegal, they are automatically turned over to ICE and deported, but as this recent case points out - that is hardly the case. Most criminals are brought to deportation hearings from jail and released and even more, never go back for follow up hearings. There are so many people to blame here - I wouldn’t know where to start. Although, I can tell you, the fine folks that do probation and pre-trial work have their hands tied.

  31. ... said on 3 Aug 2010 at 1:01 pm:
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    I don’t know why, they could be blaming this man’s alcohol problems on the pressures of a racist society or some such drivel.

  32. Jaspar said on 3 Aug 2010 at 1:47 pm:
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    August 3, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    Actually, illegal immigrants on balance probably pay *more* taxes than the rest of us, since they tend to file less often for tax refunds and Social Security benefits for which they paid into the system:




  33. Cynic said on 3 Aug 2010 at 2:26 pm:
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    Pay more taxes - yeah ,sure! But, studies show that the illegals are net tax absorbers. Don’t forget to consider the cost of their medical care and other welfare costs like food stamps, the costs of educating them and their offsprings, the damages to the environment, and the lower quality of life damages (lower real estate values) and the increased costs related to their crimes like driving drunk and killing people, raping women, molesting children, and home invasions.

  34. legal2 said on 3 Aug 2010 at 2:37 pm:
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    I’m concerned about the effects of no-doc loans; skipping out on mortgages; re-purchased by “friends” for much less money (short sale?). There ought to be a study done on this. PWC is full of such shenanigans. Sorry, but the ones I know are all hispanic.

  35. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Aug 2010 at 3:40 pm:
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    Somehow, the multiple addresses associated with Montano don’t surprise me at all.
    Although slightly off-topic, before we even moved into our newly constructed home, we were receiving mail/final bills/collection notices for a variety of people with last names usually associated with the Hispanic/Latino community. Who knows how many people”borrowed” our address before the house was even finished construction? Such is the level of scamming allowed in PWC and other areas.

    I called the Commonwealth Attorney’s office at 703-792-6050 and was directed to the voice mail for Ronald Reel, who is apparently the associate attorney who will be handling this case. I want to know how the CA intends to proceed — this guy has now committed a serious crime, and it needs to be prosecuted as such. He needs to be denied bail while awaiting trial, and do hard time. Lord knows we’ve all been forced to subsidize him for all the years he has been here already, at least I’d like to know I’m ponying up for him to be incarcerated someplace where he won’t have the opportunity to commit a 6th or 7th DUI. I hope more people will make it known that they expect Montano to face the full-court press of justice, and not be allowed to be deported to Bolivia, simply so he can turn around and sneak right back into the country to commit yet additional felonies. This is an outrage to the community and needs to be treated as such.

    It is ironic that just yesterday I was forwarded an e-mail about Civil Forfeiture, and how Virginia is one of the leading states (according to this particular think-tank) in aggressively seizing the property of criminals under the Civil Forfeiture statutes.
    Montano certainly would be a *good* case for full-on civil forfeiture— if we are going to “make a stand”, then Montano is a good case to make an example out of.
    If he is a tenant, then if his landlord loses his home, it will set an standard for landlords to be aware when renting. I know we worked very quickly to evict a group of tenants when neighbors had reported drug activity — I wasn’t willing to lose our property to civil forfeiture. If there is reluctance on the part of those who allegedly “represent” and defend OUR interests, then it tells us everything we need to know about how *serious* PWC and the State of VA really is about sending a clear signal that illegal aliens are NOT welcome and the penalty will be high for those who aid and abet them.

    Like many here, I have questions and we definitely deserve answers. Miller’s response posted here was weak and wholly inadequate.

    How did Montano support himself? He couldn’t have remained in PWC for years to commit so many offenses without a source of funding. What was it and who paid him?

    Sign Me -
    Disgusted in PWC

  36. park'd said on 3 Aug 2010 at 4:10 pm:
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    From the Post - “Corey A. Stewart (R-at Large), chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors, said he hoped it would focus attention on the illegal immigration issue.

    “This crime need not have happened, this nun need not have been killed, if federal authorities, who now have blood on their hands, had done their job in the first place and had this sleazebag deported.”

    Ah Mr. Stewart, you need look no further than the mirror and to your own chief of police for a heaping helping of blame. Deane for refusing to create an unwelcome environment for illegal aliens in PWC, his refusal to let it be known that enforcement was the name of the game after the resolution was passed and you Mr. Stewart for not either making him or firing him back in 2007. There is a lot of FAIL pie to eat on this one and you two guys need to take a bigger bite out of it than most imo. Love how he is already blaming others and starting up his vote gathering machine. Until I see enforcement against people and companies that hire illegals PLUS an active campaign to retire Deane then I know he is not serious and is just pandering for votes.

    On a different note, it is sad and courageous to see how those nuns have reacted to the slaying of one of their own. Forgiveness is always foremost in their hearts and minds. I wish I had that in me but unfortunately I don’t. I’m more of a black and white only type of guy. There is no gray area with me. Those who are supposed to be protecting us are failing because they are beholden to special interests that serve none of us. We are so past time that it stopped that I don’t even have words.

  37. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:23 pm:
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    Robert L. Duecaster said:

    My outrage is beyond my ability to describe. That the life of the most innocent and decent among us can be snuffed out due to our governments’ successive failures evokes an ire in me that I have never known before. No one is safe from the Invaders. Not you, not me, not our clergy, not our sons and daughters. Ask yourself what you can do about it. Find an answer and act upon it.

    When the bell tolls for Jeanette Marie Mosier, it tolls for all of us.

    Amen, brother. Amen

    You described the outrage of many perfectly.

  38. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:41 pm:
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    When it’s your time to go it’s your time to go. Was tis nun the only person killed by a drunk driver this week?

  39. Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:42 pm:
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    BTW - why don’t some you approach your State Legislators about amending the code to where a person stopped with a suspended license has their ass hauled to jail right then? I have.

  40. The Lone Ranger said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:46 pm:
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    These illegal alien criminals keep committing crime after crime. The justice system treats them as equals, but in reality they are not equal. Te justice system knows exactly who I am and where to find me. On the other hand, the illegal alien cannot be traced because no one knows who they are. And, apparently no one (in power) seems to care.

    I thought 2 DUI’s in ten years was mandatory jail time???

  41. The Lone Ranger said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:48 pm:
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    Oh, by the way, try this crap in Mexico and I promise you’ll get more than deported!!


  42. The Lone Ranger said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:53 pm:
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    Jaspar said on 3 Aug 2010 at 1:47 pm: Flag comment

    August 3, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    Actually, illegal immigrants on balance probably pay *more* taxes than the rest of us, since they tend to file less often for tax refunds and Social Security benefits for which they paid into the system:





    AND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave and tax your taxes with you, you’re not welcome here, any more. You have overstayed your welcome!!

  43. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:56 pm:
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    Anon @5:42
    With all due respect, what difference would it make?
    We already have enough laws, statutes, codes, whatever you want to name it, to prevent this type of thing from happening and to deal with illegal aliens on an expedited basis.

    What is missing is a will to ENFORCE any of it.
    We don’t need more “codes amendments”, we need a serious will to enforce what is already on the books.

  44. Junes_Reston said on 3 Aug 2010 at 7:06 pm:
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    K.O’toole said on 3 Aug 2010 at 11:46 am: Flag comment

    And let’s not forget the 4 college students attacked in Newark, leaving 3 dead, one forever wounded. What is it gonna take?


    For one of their family members of close friends to fall victim to an alcoholic illegal alien.

    When it hits close to home, it becomes personal and things get done. I don’t want any member of Congress or our State and Local governments to lose a loved one this way, but I fear that’s what it’s going to take.

  45. Cynic said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:08 pm:
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    Yes, the guts to enforce is missing. That is because the voters lack the guts to elect people who have the guts to enforce.

    The politicians know that this story of the tragic death of the Nun will eventually be replaced in the News cycle. All will be forgotten. Nothing of substance will happen or be implemented. The same wimps will be returned to Office by the same wimpy voters. On and on it goes.

  46. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:21 pm:
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    Which begs the question — who will be “our” Chris Christie?

  47. Dave in PWC said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:30 pm:
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    What’s the story on civil forfeitures? Are there laws already on the books?

    We need to find out where he works and then picket them with Help Save Manassas folks. I’m game but have no clue how to find out where he works.

  48. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:47 pm:
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    Yes, there are civil forfeiture laws on the books — so much so that google “civil forfeiture, Virginia” you will come up with a list of law firms in Northern Virginia that deal with civil forfeiture. I’m not an attorney, obviously, which is why I asked why these forfeitures are not being applied more vigorously to create a higher threshold of pain for those who aid and abet illegal aliens. I know in many jurisdictions it is principally used to seize cars used in street racing, drug trafficking, etc. But I note that one of the items listed in the “FAQ” is transporting more than 1 qt of an alcoholic beverage in a vehicle. Which means my trips to Safeway to stock up before book club would violate this ordinance ……


    My point is … are we serious about this, or is it going to be more of the same Kabuki theatre …. stage-managed “outrage” but no action.


  49. Yawning Wolf said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:56 pm:
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    Why am I required to pay income tax to an institution that fails to do its duty, refuses to do its duty, and in fact encourages others to break the law?

    Yes, I wonder what Annabel, Elana and Alana have to say about this.

  50. Cynic said on 3 Aug 2010 at 8:56 pm:
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    Dear Laurie-Anne Manel,

    Not that familiar with the notables of Virginia so have no idea who will be “our” Chris Christie? Please tell us who it will be.

  51. Yawning Wolf said on 3 Aug 2010 at 9:02 pm:
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    “When it’s your time to go it’s your time to go. Was tis nun the only person killed by a drunk driver this week?” - anonymous

    Yeah, everybody’s gotta die sometime… right? Maybe we will all get lucky and you will be next.

    But it is my contention, and that of others here, that if this illegal was not here to begin with, as the case should have been, then this poor woman would still be alive today.

  52. legal2 said on 3 Aug 2010 at 9:29 pm:
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    But if we deport him, he’ll be separated from his child/ren. :-( boo hoo.

  53. Laurie-Anne Manel said on 3 Aug 2010 at 9:50 pm:
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    Cynic –
    As I have been out of the state for a few years, I don’t know “who” our Chris Christie will be. That was an open-ended question for those here who know more of the personalities and people of good character and conviction who would be willing to step forward and run.

    I don’t know. That’s why I asked.

    Your point?

  54. Cynic said on 3 Aug 2010 at 10:05 pm:
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    Laurie-Anne Manel,

    OK. We will let it to the Natives to guide us.

  55. Anonymous said on 4 Aug 2010 at 5:04 am:
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    Jawing wolf, I am not such a wad (like you) that I would wish death on you. However, I do not believe at all that the nun would still be alive if this guy had been shipped out. The two events aren’t related and it is simply an easy way to get your panties in a knot when “Oh my God it’s a nun!” Now you get a LITTLE lip service from sleazy politicians. See how long that lasts.

  56. JMACSr said on 4 Aug 2010 at 7:13 am:
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    In all this, you do have to wonder about the old adage that what goes around, comes around. The order that the nuns belonged to has issued a statement decrying the focus on the immigration status of the driver of the car.
    I’m sorry this had to happen to anyone, but if it did….”you reap what you sow.”

  57. James said on 4 Aug 2010 at 9:19 am:
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    We need a “wall of shame” on this web site listing all of the businesses that hire illegals.

  58. Anonymous said on 4 Aug 2010 at 5:17 pm:
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    Montano is being defended by a group affiliated with Catholic Charities - Hogar Hispano.

    And don’t forget - NO racial profiling was involved in their decision to defend their client.

  59. skeptimaniac said on 4 Aug 2010 at 6:53 pm:
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    If the good Sister, rest her soul, had been killed with the use of a gun the concert of outrage would be deafening.

  60. Yawning Wolf said on 4 Aug 2010 at 8:55 pm:
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    “I do not believe at all that the nun would still be alive if this guy had been shipped out.” - anonymous


    If this guy had been shipped out, then he would not have been driving that car, and he would not have killed the nun. It is a very simple concept. It is called reality. You should check it out sometime.

    BTW, my original statement about your death still stands.

  61. Elvis said on 6 Aug 2010 at 7:17 am:
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    My family was killed when an illegal alien plowed into my wives car after picking up the kids from daycare the illegal is still in jail but that is no consolation to me. I had lost a family. I’ve moved away from the entire immigration issue since right now it appears so gapless that our government will do anything. I feel like I’m in a socialist state with zero representation. Many may remember me from awhile back on this board I still monitor occasionally. Every time I see an illegal alien kill a citizen it sets back my grieving process. I pray for the sister and everyone else affected but I could never see fit to forgive either this illegals nor the ine that hit my family…he’s a complete piece of decorated garbage and I hope he rots in jail and then he’ll. Sorry for the poor spelling typing on a tablet.

  62. Anonymous said on 6 Aug 2010 at 11:02 am:
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    Anonymous said on 3 Aug 2010 at 5:41 pm: Flag comment

    When it’s your time to go it’s your time to go. Was tis nun the only person killed by a drunk driver this week?

    She was the only one killed by an illegal Latino in PWC. IDIOT!

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