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MP City Manager ‘Jumped Out’

By Greg L | 20 August 2010 | Manassas Park | 179 Comments

The News & Messenger had a puff piece this week on City Manager Mercury Payton resigning from his position at Manassas Park.  The story, as the eagle-eyed reporters at the N&M present it, is that Payton left his six-figure job as the daily operations manager of the Manassas Park Crime Syndicate in order to take over the van shuttle business that his parents run out of their basement on River Forest Drive in Manassas.  I’m all for filial piety stories, but in light of past events this one doesn’t pass the smell test.

As City Manager, Payton has been the go-to guy for the Frank Jones cabal.  When they needed something done, they got Payton to do it.  If they might have needed a message delivered that someone needed to toe the line, or they’d burn down their business, Mercury Payton would be a good messenger.  If someone had to provide cover for illegal aliens selling stolen automatic weapons and cocaine out of a restaurant, Payton would be a great pick to talk to the right people.  Young and capable yet eminently malleable, Mercury Payton was the perfect low-profile foot soldier for the crime gang that runs Manassas Park.  He’s even a very likable guy.  In terms of raw talent, a locality like this never deserved someone of this caliber.

Back in 2007, Payton was hailed as the city savior that figured out the right combination of shifting spending cuts to the schools and accounting gimmicks to save the Manassas Park budget.  The next year’s budget, in the best example of channeling Nikita Kruschev by a Virginia locality, was hailed as “mak[ing] the proposed fiscal 2008 budget the most uniform and equitable for all Manassas Park residents.”  Right before that budget went down the toilet that is, with record-setting tax hikes and the city laying off a huge swath of the public works department.  Payton was the Park’s golden boy, and the Jones cabal couldn’t stop telling everyone just how wonderful a public servant he was.  Well his brilliance was going to single-handedly rescue the Park from fiscal ruin!

Yeah, we know how that turned out.  The property tax rate is $1.65 per hundred.  The people were uniformly and equitably screwed.

Anyways, Payton’s assigned “special duties” seem to have got him the attention of federal authorities in October 2008.  Luis Guzman, an illegal alien from El Salvador by the name was the business owner (???) of the El Vaquero Restaurant was arrested in a sting operation for selling coke and machine guns.  A long-standing senior member of the “Spanish Mafia” in Manassas Park, Guzman wanted to drive some business competitors under, and made a “friendly request” to the City Council to put pressure on these rivals.  The person who reportedly delivered the messages coming from Guzman happens to be a young man who has announced he will soon depart the employ of the City of Manassas.  When law enforcement started dismantling the operations of the “Spanish Mafia” in the Park, you think they might have stumbled across these well-traveled anecdotes because this evidence would be a critical element in any criminal prosecution.

Of course they might have even bothered to prosecute Guzman, or perhaps even revoke the liquor license for El Vaquero.  For the longest time, that didn’t come to pass.  This is the Park, and strange things do happen.

Perhaps Payton decided that being the errand boy for Frank Jones was ultimately too risky no matter how much he was being paid off, and figured that a basement office isn’t that much of a step down from working in the Connor Center.  I’d like to think so, anyways.  Given that the Park isn’t indicting him on trumped up charges in order to run him out of town, which is what would happen if Payton was seen as a threat, my fear is Payton is being directed to go and lie low and keep his mouth shut, or else.

People who intimately deal with the criminal enterprise known as the Manassas Park Government end their tenures in a manner substantially similar to how gang members are retired.  It doesn’t end with a handshake, that’s for sure.

Mercury Payton just got “jumped out.”

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  1. Beanie said on 20 Aug 2010 at 7:19 pm:
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    MP needs to get rid of several others in that government and perhaps start all over!

  2. nonconformistmartha said on 21 Aug 2010 at 11:20 am:
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    I’d also love to see some more MP government officials resign.

  3. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2010 at 1:56 pm:
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    No one is going to resign. If you want change you need to vote for it.
    As far as El Vaquero, no one supported crriminal actvitiy.
    The owner was very kind and smooth. I would never have thought him to be into the things accused. I do not buyt the conspiracy theory. I think the leadership is flawed but that is it. WHat do you say in plain words was done with the El Vaquero bust. Maybe it was unprovable case as it was the loiterers who got nabbed not the owner and he fessed to help fry bigger fish.

    SO what is the scoop? Do not go back to the Rack roll thing as that is really old and most of those people are gone off govt. anyway.

    City manager was inept but corrupt? Fact is people worry the jobs will be gone as the economy of the city worsens. That is the bottom line. No job security in the park, not a consiparcy..geez
    Address that, that is the real issue Greggy

  4. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2010 at 1:58 pm:
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  5. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2010 at 1:59 pm:
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    Don’t you think the real issue is job security? There is none at the park and that is the real issue. Confront that if you want to be of some use.

  6. park'd said on 21 Aug 2010 at 2:16 pm:
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    The park sowed its own destruction by allowing itself to become the mecca for illegal aliens and section 8 dwellers in NoVa. We tried to warn them three years ago but they weren’t interested in listening then. Now all of us are paying the price with 70% drops in property values and the highest property tax rate in the state. If it weren’t for the east side of town then this city would be kaput. The west side looks like you boarded a plane and landed in a 3rd world country complete with all the dilapidation, poverty and overcrowding that those countries ‘enjoy’. Unfortunately there are only two ways out of this craphole town now: a pine box or walking away/foreclosure. I don’t know of a SINGLE person in my ENTIRE neighborhood who is not under water right now on their mortgage. Not a single one. No exaggeration. We tried to tell them this was coming in 2007 but we were called racists for our concern. Oh well.

  7. Greg L said on 21 Aug 2010 at 4:10 pm:
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    Job security? What the heck is that? I haven’t seen anyone seriously mention that term outside of public employee unions for about twenty years.

    The problem in the park is that they’re feeling the effects of what third world-style corruption does. Corruption destroys opportunity, and as we’ve seen, local communities.

  8. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2010 at 4:28 pm:
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    I would not say there is corruption but I do see leadership lacking, poor planning and no real plan or progressivfe thinking.
    Corrupt? Really?
    If you mean those working iin the city favoring family members for positiions, yeah I see that. Shamefully so I must say. And friends of the mayor staying on payroll long after their usefullness has been expended, yeah I see that.
    And people ready to get retirement being “laid off” within months of retirement, yeah I see that.

    Wait, I was trying to say there is no corruiption but I am getting lost in my own revelations to the fact that you may be right in respect to a few individuals but not the whole govt.

    Outline the corruption you are taliking about otherwise, because I simply see the real issue as a lack of talent and vision.

  9. J. Tyler Ballance said on 21 Aug 2010 at 10:01 pm:
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    Here’s the job announcement. It is interesting to see how MP compares to the “requirements” for his job.

    The “family-oriented community” statement may be a double entendre, SOPRANOS fans.

    “CITY MANAGER, City of Manassas Park
    Manassas Park is a family-oriented community of 13,000 residents and award-winning schools, surrounded by the City of Manassas and Prince William County, in beautiful Northern Virginia. Manassas Park operates under the Council/Manager form of government. The Governing Body is comprised of seven members elected at large, including the Mayor, and a Council-appointed Vice-Mayor. The City provides a full range of municipal services with a Fiscal Year 2010-2011 General Fund Budget of $33M, 154 full-time employees, with a primary focus on economic development.

    Requirements include bachelor’s degree in business, public administration, finance, or related field. Master’s Degree preferred. Minimum of 5 - 7 years of progressively responsible experience as City Manager or Assistant City Manager in a comparably sized or larger organization. Experience must demonstrate successful performance in areas that focus on economic development and sustainable growth; finance and budget; measurable strategic outcomes, and positive communication at all levels. Residency is required. Salary is negotiable DOQ/DOE; excellent benefits. “

  10. the ship is sinking said on 21 Aug 2010 at 10:28 pm:
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    “The park sowed its own destruction by allowing itself to become the mecca for illegal aliens and section 8 dwellers in NoVa.”

    They wanted growth. What they got was cancerous growth.

  11. park'd said on 22 Aug 2010 at 2:27 pm:
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    The simple fact is that this town was crushed by the very same people that the city council tried to coddle and protect - illegal aliens. When the illegals all took off in late 2007 they left a tsunami of foreclosures here that drove prices down 70% and the city has frankly never recovered from that and probably never will, at least not soon enough to save it. This is the problem in a nutshell but you will never hear that in the media.

    I called it in 2008 when I said that only a property tax rate of 2+% would save this town and allow it to avoid making massive cuts. They ratified 1.65% which is still a state-wide laughing stock and that rate wasn’t even close to making ends meet. Frankly I am surprised they lasted through 2009. I think that extra 6 months where they didn’t reassess home values and were still billing at the old valuations bought them another 6-12 months. IMO the gig is up soon. The main rat jumping ship does not bode well and the chatter on the board about the rec center and other financial woes just reaffirms that belief. Until they rid the city of the riff raff then nobody with any means or anything to offer is going to want to move here. Literally the west side is nothing but a speculator’s wet dream for renting to houses full of illegals and section 8 losers. Quite a problem they have gotten us into.

  12. For Sale in Blooms Crossing said on 22 Aug 2010 at 2:58 pm:
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    I noted that the School Super Debolt is also leaving from park. Seems to me these folks know the future is not so bright in the park and all the spending on new and expensive “green” schools and excessive indoor rec centers and vacant city centers is coming home to roost so now is a good time to leave the park and let someone else raise taxes even more or do the heavy lifting to cut spending

  13. ... said on 22 Aug 2010 at 6:55 pm:
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    “I called it in 2008 when I said that only a property tax rate of 2+% would save this town and allow it to avoid making massive cuts.”

    I think that 2+% would have put the city on the downward slope of the Laffer curve.

  14. Anonymous said on 22 Aug 2010 at 7:32 pm:
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    2% really? you guys are so far out of the realism of the situation.
    80million in new constructsin 7 years try 300%

  15. ... said on 23 Aug 2010 at 12:23 am:
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    Theoretically, beyond a certain point, increases in the tax rate will decrease revenue. That being the case, it seems clear that local government, which cannot print money, has limits on how much it can borrow, and must operate a balanced budget, has very definite constraints on the amount of money it can spend. When it exceeds those constraints, because those in charge don’t believe the theory, we all find out what the results of the science experiment are which does not disprove the theory.

  16. MPCinsider said on 23 Aug 2010 at 5:51 am:
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    1. Did anyone notice that MP has to get a loan for $3 mil to pay bills?

    2. That the rec center wants a contractor to manage the indoor pool?

    3. Rec Center giving up their child care license for VA. so that they don’t have to scramble everytime a inspector comes in and finds holes in the records keeping?

    4. That the treasurer is taking more vaction time the Obama does?

    5. The worker bees at the water department don’t care if customers are waiting eventhough the water Supervisor does not want to wait on customers and her staff take way to long of breaks?

    6. That a person who was tranferred to city hall from the rec center is still allowed to hang with the treasurer and does no work?

    7. The rec center is not producing enough money to support itself, and the city is afraid to fire the director and the assistant director (Vice mayor’s wife), eventhough the director guarantee that the rec center will be support itself?

    8. That Blooms gets all the money and the Westside is left hanging out to dry?

    9. The city center cant get any retail tenants to take space (no weekend traffic), and the strip mall beside MP police department is getting business?

    10. The city is bleeding money faster than it can take in?

  17. Big Dog said on 23 Aug 2010 at 9:49 am:
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    MP could seek state permission to revert from city to town,
    but that is a long complicated process that still might leave
    the jurisdiction with its current debt - that would be
    determined by PWC and state decisions. MP residents, like
    those in Dumfries, Herndon, Leesburg, etc. would then
    pay county tax and a smaller town tax — not sure how much,
    if any, it would lower the overall rate for MP.

  18. ... said on 23 Aug 2010 at 11:08 am:
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    11. The city can’t take out any more bonds so “charging it” to cover the shortfall isn’t an option.

  19. MPCinsider said on 23 Aug 2010 at 11:21 am:
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    LOL on #11.

    I wonder if this is why he jump ship. Maybe he saw something coming down the pike and knew his time was almost up. Makes you wonder what else is behind the curtain of MP Doom that has yet to be revealed.

    Hey MP Upper Mangement lets play show and tell. You lay your cards on the table and I will tell you where I get my information from, or I just be a torn in your side until the city goes belly up.

    Time is on my side not yours, and I know what is coming around the mountain.

  20. Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2010 at 1:23 pm:
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    Mercury Payton was actually a business partner with that illegal alien Guzman character who was convicted of drug and gun running. Guzman was the money guy (with proceeds from cocaine dealing) and Payton was the smooth talking Obama type guy with all the contacts. They wanted to buy the shopping center at 28 & Manassas Drive and when the owner refused to sell it to them Mercury Payton told him they would burn down the strip mall if they didn’t sell out.

    Somehow when the MPPD and the feds were investigating Guzman selling drugs and weapons out of El Vaquero, they somehow failed to notice Payton’s fingerprints all over the place. Amazing how the insiders always seem to slip away from the authorities while the insiders can always get Paul Ebert to prosecute anyone they don’t like on any kind of trumped up charges they can dream up…

    Just holding my breath until Jones & Treuting start promoting another casino deal in the Park with Colonial Downs, or how long it will be before building inspectors descend on the next local business owner Jones & Treuting want to take down. It’s been a while since the proceeds from a land deal mysteriously failed to show up as revenue in the city’s financial statements and vanished from the budget. I also wonder how much Colonial Downs paid for that nice house Treuting lives in.

  21. MPCinsider said on 23 Aug 2010 at 1:40 pm:
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    Keep the dirty laundry coming. I love it when a plan come together.

  22. ... said on 23 Aug 2010 at 1:45 pm:
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    This town has a whole laundromat’s worth of it.

  23. hazegray said on 23 Aug 2010 at 2:37 pm:
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    “Manassas Park is a family-oriented community of 13,000 residents….”

    Did anyone ever hear of economies of scale? MP can’t afford a water-meter reader, much less a school superintendent and recreation center!

    Maybe the state can establish a DC-like “fiscal control board” and put some real grown-ups back in charge….

  24. anonymous said on 23 Aug 2010 at 2:44 pm:
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    El Vaquero is selling machine guns and coke? Post links supporting this (and not just to your own site) or you’re just a liar like the rest of the internet.

  25. Greg L said on 23 Aug 2010 at 2:52 pm:
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    From the DC Examiner on October 30, 2008: (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/Two_illegal_immigrants_among_trio_arrested_in_bust_.html)

    Three Northern Virginia men, two of whom are illegal immigrants, are behind bars after a law enforcement informant purchased more that 5 ounces of cocaine and 16 guns from them in recent months, according to court documents unsealed this week.

    One of the men, Luis Guzman, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador, was a local business owner, court documents said.

    Guzman, 43, owns at least one restaurant in Manassas Park where several of the drug and gun transactions took place. The restaurant was not named in the documents. He also is listed as the director of LKG Enterprises Inc., which received its certificate of incorporation from Virginia in 2003. A spokesman for the commonwealth’s corporate commission agency said there are no identity checks for people seeking to start a corporation.

    Any more questions?

  26. MPCinsider said on 23 Aug 2010 at 4:32 pm:
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    Never ever call Greg out. He knows where to find his sources.

    HEY MP time is ticking away

    tick tock, tick tock

  27. Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2010 at 4:51 pm:
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    From another thread on 8/6…

    “The Parks and Recreation department will never succeed with its current staff. The secretary is the one that leaks all the information to you. She doesn’t even know what she’s talking about.”


    If so, my guess was all wrong…

  28. Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2010 at 8:15 pm:
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    What proof is there Merc was a partner of Guzman ? I want to see that proof.

    MP will not go to PWC until there is not a penny left to pay for that last employee left. Right?

  29. MPCinsider said on 24 Aug 2010 at 5:46 am:
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    “Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2010 at 8:15 pm: Flag comment

    MP will not go to PWC until there is not a penny left to pay for that last employee left. Right?”

    They are almost there. They cant make payroll unless they get a loan for $3 million. That right there means they have their backs against the wall.

    They started taking bids on who is going to manage the indoor pool. Lower bid means less money.

    The rec center is giving up their license for daycare. All kids will be at the rec center before and after school. meaning they kids will be bussed there. The staff they have right now dont even watch the kids. There has been some situations where a kid as bitten another kid and nothing was done about it. A parent was there and caught the last part of the situation an pulled their child out of the rec center. The other staff member told the remaining kids to stop acting up since the kids were making the staff look bad infront of the parents. Now would you send your child to the rec enter for any activity if the rec center gives up their child care license. I would not, and I would report them to the state police if anything would happen. You can’t trust MP police to take care of that matter.

  30. MPCinsider said on 24 Aug 2010 at 5:47 am:
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    “Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2010 at 4:51 pm: Flag comment

    From another thread on 8/6…

    “The Parks and Recreation department will never succeed with its current staff. The secretary is the one that leaks all the information to you. She doesn’t even know what she’s talking about.”


    If so, my guess was all wrong…”

    You need to think higer up then a secretary.

  31. nonconformistmartha said on 24 Aug 2010 at 7:48 am:
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    Yes, who are you, MPCinsider? I am also curious…

  32. MPCinsider said on 24 Aug 2010 at 11:01 am:
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    When the keys of city hall is turned over to PWC and MP council has been removed from power then and only then I will reveal who I am. Not a moment sooner.

    As we speak the city is losing money faster than it can take in. Cna’t make payroll on credit can you Mayor!!!!

  33. Big Dog said on 24 Aug 2010 at 1:08 pm:
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    Be clear that a reversion of MP to a PWC town would still
    leave a local government - town council, mayor, police,
    public works, etc. - Leesburg, Herndon, Vienna, Dumfries,
    for example, are all towns. The key changes would be
    MP schools merging with PWC and a lower tax rate for MP
    with a possible slight increase for PWC.

  34. MPCinsider said on 24 Aug 2010 at 1:17 pm:
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    I wonder since the MP in the ‘50 and ‘60 petetion the courts to be a town. Is it possible to have that decision thrownout and have MP just like other places like woodbridge or dale city?

  35. Big Dog said on 24 Aug 2010 at 2:05 pm:
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    FYI -
    Bedford is currently in the process of reverting to a town
    and Martinsville and Charlottesville groups have it under study.
    Clifton Forge, South Boston and Emporia have all reverted in
    the past two decades. Per Sec.15.2 1401 of the Code of Virginia,
    Manassas Park is eligible.
    I would be surprised to see MP totally desolve. Becoming
    a town again seems the most logical choice.

  36. Cynic said on 24 Aug 2010 at 3:42 pm:
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    Do you think that MP still has sufficient funds to hire a hacker? Good hacker good could find out who you are?

  37. MPCinsider said on 25 Aug 2010 at 5:41 am:
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    Why do you ask Cynic?

  38. Bwana said on 25 Aug 2010 at 10:23 am:
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    Am not sure about Emporia reverting…at least their municipal website still says they are a city, and Wikipedia still lists them as an independent city. Clifton Forge reverted to town status in 2001, and South Boston in 1995/6.

  39. Cynic said on 25 Aug 2010 at 11:00 am:
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    Just wondering how alert and prepared for retaliation you should be. From reading the posts of others and you, have drawn the conclusion that the MP Govt. crowd with which you deal and report on, is one tough bunch that could do you harm.

  40. mpcinsider said on 25 Aug 2010 at 11:00 am:
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    As I walked out of city hall on my lunch break today, and I walking to my car to get some lunch I peered over at the empty retail space of the city center (the Gem of the mayor’s masterpiece) I wondered what the city center would look like if Phase II would have been built? I mean with all those businesses that have open over a Phase I. I would bet that big name businesses would clamour for the reatil spaces of phase II. Than I came to be senses and realized the MP is a small city that can’t make a name for itself in the world of business. All the big name businesses I know would not pay a dime for the retail space of the city center.

    What a waste of space maybe we could offer MP to move its city hall over there? That may bring in some business NOT!!!!!

    Hey mayor and coucil members great job on getting the city center built you all are BUNCH OF LOSERS!!!

  41. MPCinsider said on 25 Aug 2010 at 11:57 am:
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    “Cynic said on 25 Aug 2010 at 11:00 am: Flag comment


    Just wondering how alert and prepared for retaliation you should be. From reading the posts of others and you, have drawn the conclusion that the MP Govt. crowd with which you deal and report on, is one tough bunch that could do you harm.”

    Are you saying that MP is going to go after me? If so what have I done wrong? As for someone hacking a website to find out who I am that is illegal and if the trail leads back to MP city hall then I will just call the State AG to file charges. Then I will file the biggest civil law suit in history.

  42. ... said on 25 Aug 2010 at 12:22 pm:
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    “Then I will file the biggest civil law suit in history.”

    Then they’ll just have another closed meeting of city council to discuss “probable litigation against the city”.

  43. MPCinsider said on 25 Aug 2010 at 12:23 pm:
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    OMG LOL ding ding ding we have a winner!!!!

  44. ... said on 25 Aug 2010 at 12:52 pm:
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    MPCinsider, if you could get rid of 6 of the 7 council members, and you could only get rid of 6 of them, who would you keep?

  45. MPCinsider said on 25 Aug 2010 at 12:58 pm:
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    I would have to get rid of everyone who voted for the city center.

  46. ... said on 25 Aug 2010 at 1:07 pm:
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    The ones who got suckered in by some slick-talking salesman from Clark

  47. Cynic said on 25 Aug 2010 at 1:42 pm:
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    Not saying they are or not going after you. You know better than I do, if that is the case. Am saying that if they are, please be careful.

    Yes, if they try anything, do take legal action. Based on what I have seen, if you have a good case, the System does lose cases from time to time because of a combination of factors - like they do dumb things that weaken their case and usually the principals involved hate each other more than they hate their adversaries and they end up providing evidence/testimony that destroys their case.

  48. park'd said on 25 Aug 2010 at 3:30 pm:
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    If I have said it once, I have said it 1000 times. Manassas Park is known AREA-WIDE as the place where the illegals live and the place where the taxes are the highest in the state. NOBODY in their right mind would EVER want to move here to live or to open a business unless they too are an illegal or some jackass welfare type looking for some cheap digs. Crap attracts crap. It really is that simple. We tried to warn them 5 years ago that this was coming and they allowed it to happen anyway.

  49. Kris Day said on 25 Aug 2010 at 4:19 pm:
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    Why is park’d so hell-bent on disparaging Manassas Park? I’m living very happily and proudly in Manassas Park and so are our new neighbors. People don’t want to move here you say? Home sales in our area of Manassas Park are healthy. Our most recent home for sale in our immediate neighborhood lasted all of 20 days on the market and homes are fetching 95-100 percent of their asking price. Sure the economy is impacting City Center but eventually this too will turn around. Some people recognize the many positives about living here… it’s a shame when a person makes it their mission to tear down the city in which they claim to live.

    My son wants to get on the computer now, so I’ll quit now and enjoy a fresh glass of lemonade on our front porch as I enjoy greeting our wonderful neighbors out for an evening stroll…

  50. park'd said on 25 Aug 2010 at 6:32 pm:
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    Enjoy that east side over there in blooms where it’s nice and clean and the neighborhoods are all groomed. Come on over here to the illegal mexican/section 8 west side and then tell me how much you lovvvve living in the park. The trash and overcrowding are awesome. I especially loved the SU13 gang tat spray painted on the fence beside my house. It added such a flair to the neighborhood. I think I’ll go outside, sip some lemonade and watch my neighbors who live 15 to their houses come and go all night long and then ask the rowdy ass kids who play in the street and around the cars to please be careful of traffic and not to throw the ball at my parked cars. It is a nice cool and balmy night after all. Give me a break. This place sucks and I can’t wait to get out of here. In the states, short of Newark, there is no worse place on earth to live and believe me, I have lived in lots of places.

    Oh, and the only sales in my area are short sales and foreclosures which have contributed to a 70% drop in values from peak. We gained about 15% of that back this year but it’s starting to drop to the cellar again. I had a realtor run comps for me about 2 months ago and there was only 1 normal sale on that entire list. The rest were REOs. The bank can have mine back because I’m just about done with this dump, its crazy ass taxes, its overcrowding, the incompetent fiscal management and the ridiculous commute due to 10 cars per household.

    I’m glad it’s working out for you though. The east side really is nice once you pass the tracks.

  51. sahdman said on 25 Aug 2010 at 8:19 pm:
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    I thought my section of town was bad.

  52. David Ruttenberg said on 26 Aug 2010 at 12:32 am:
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  53. David Ruttenberg said on 26 Aug 2010 at 12:33 am:
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    [shakes head]

  54. truthtalker said on 26 Aug 2010 at 1:20 am:
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    Getting a contractor for the indoor pool is old news. They thought about even before the community center opened. As for MPC insider, it can be a lower level employee. This employee knows everything for the Community Center, because this person deposited the checks. This person was able to keep a tally of who paid and who doesn’t pay, because they kept track of the books. The community center will never make money. What is there to do for fun? No slides, no diving boards, nothing like other community centers. The classes aren’t even free. Who wants to be nickel and dimmed to death? Why are they bidding out the aquatic services because they pay an Aquatics Supervisor very well to do that job. Are they going to fire her too? They’re on a role of purging the community center of staff. Ops Manager, Janitor, Front Desk Supervisor, etc. they wanted these people gone. They couldn’t pay them and they didn’t like them. The new contract for marketing for the community center. No one knew about you before you opened, so why start trying to sell yourself now? You are destined for failure. They should just bid out the whole management of the community center, so the city doesn’t foot the bill for the center. Let the Y or someone else manage it, because you obviously can’t. City Manager gone…. look art your department heads next.

  55. nonconformistmartha said on 26 Aug 2010 at 8:07 am:
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    I have a feeling that the proposal for contracting out the community center pool is a bogus one—as in, they don’t intend to actually accept any of the bids. I read over the Request For Proposal, and it is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. I worked for a pool management company for three years and have seen countless pool RFPs. Whoever wants to bid on it has to jump through some serious hoops. And you know what? Higher ups are telling the Aquatics Supervisor and other pool staff members that they will be able to keep their jobs if a pool management company steps in. That is a load of crap. The Community Center is putting out this RFP to cover their ass, so that when they get a bunch of incomplete or overpriced bids, they can justify to City Hall running the pool in-house is a better idea.
    I also thing MPCinsider either works very closely with the Community Center, or just has some personal distaste for it.

  56. truthtalker said on 26 Aug 2010 at 10:43 pm:
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    They bid out the outdoor pool and know for a fact they asked the same agency if they could do the indoor pool as well. No one can do anything right unless the director or the deputy director does it themselves. So, they will create an RFP and write a contact so they can dump the management company as long as they can cancel the contract. Nothing about the community center is on the up and up.If you know the director or the deputy you will get free things– membership, rentals, programs. Just know one of them. No wonder why the center makes no money. Try registering for an online class yet? Try paying the $12 “online” fee…. agin nickeled and dimmed to death. Cancel your membership if you haven’t done so already. Boycott and join another community center that won’t suck you dry. Let the building sit empty until they can create a RFT for another agency can manage the whole property. MPCINSIDER is both….. they worked at the community center and has a dislike for the center and the department. You think since they sign your checks every two weeks–you keep your mouth shut. BTW, having the outdoor pool management cost the city over $5-10k a summer. So, maybe you’d think they would have tried to save money there too.

  57. Anonymous said on 27 Aug 2010 at 8:07 am:
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    What is RFT? Wyy does that rec center worker sit in the exercise room office doing nothing? I always see some black guy in there doing nothing but chatting up the women. I would mention it to the higher up but know they would brush it off as oh he is doing this or that …come on guys get a grip on the place. Why 4 lifeguards for an empty pool!

  58. Big Dog said on 27 Aug 2010 at 8:59 am:
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    RFP = Request For Proposals.

  59. mpcinsider said on 27 Aug 2010 at 11:18 am:
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    I am trying to get joe public of the area to understand that MP is way messed up compared to PWC or MC. I hate everyday I have to see the city center sittng 99.99% retail empty, Director and Assistant Director can’t fill up the rec center like they say they can. The rec center being a financial drain on the tax payers. We have bonds coming due on the school we must pay for. a treasurer who rather take vaction and talk for hours to people who make desposit form the rec center or employee other than department heads. Then do any work. A water department that take longer lunch breaks than they are suppose too. A city council who can’t get ahead of the curve and start project when the economy is tanking. City pandering to Blooms and tumbing it’s nose to the westside. Westside looking like a city model that a kid came up with. No standards that a employee or citizens can be proud of. A shopping center on 28 that make Juarez Mexico a better place to shop. No Fortune 500 company would stake a office in MP. Taxes that are so high that the city can’t make payroll. A green school that could had a Gold standard if they school board would have waited until the new school year to open.

    Did I miss anything.

    BTW I don’t work at the rec center.

  60. park'd said on 27 Aug 2010 at 12:13 pm:
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    That sounds about right mpcinsider. People like Kris have the audacity to wonder why west siders like me are pissed. Dealing with the overcrowding, the trash, the section rentals and the nationwide record breaking drop in property values. Kris if you are a west sider then by all means accept my apology if I offended you. If you are an east sider then you owe ME an apology for speaking about something which you have no clue about.

  61. MPWitch said on 27 Aug 2010 at 2:33 pm:
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    Ms. Day lives on the east side of town. She bought the house for a song(not a short
    sale or forecloser). The house was beautiful inside and was very well maintained. They were original owners.
    My friend wanted out of there so bad that she took a heavy hit on the house. There
    were illegals accross the street where they would pee in the front yard and then go in the house. Laundry hung over the fence and bushes, men sitting bare chested in the front yard drinking beer. Men ogleing the young girls as the got off the bus, yards not maintained and last, but not least hispanic circus music day & night.
    My friend was fearful that the east side was turning into the west side with good reason. She would call the HOA Management and would email them with photos and
    nothing was done. She would call the city code enforcement and nothing was done.
    I have sen things change, but with city’s dreadful financial problems I would imagine the schools will go down hill(many on council don’t think schools sell homes and do not want to do any more funding). As far as the rec center goes Mr. Polks wife is the
    deputy director and he continues to vote on rec center buisness when he should recuse himself due to conflict of interest. They all supposedly signed an ethics oath, but if you don’t know what ethics are how can you sign the oath?

  62. park'd said on 28 Aug 2010 at 8:58 am:
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    Thanks MPWitch. OK so with that issue put to bed then I await my apology Kris because it is evident to me that you are an uppity !@#@ and you have no clue wtf you are talking about as far as quality of life issues in the park are concerned. I’m also glad you managed to vulture off the bad luck of some other poor sap who was suffering like me due to the plague of the illegals. But hey, that’s the American way: out of the ashes will rise a phoenix. Enjoy the east side and you’d better pray that the undesirables stay over here on my side so you can maintain that quality of life that you love so much.

  63. Anonymous said on 28 Aug 2010 at 5:53 pm:
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    park’d , get off the horse.
    East or West side we are all prety well screwed, actually those on the East side has lost more dollar value than the shantys on the West side.
    So if you ask me the ones with the bigger houses have MORE to complain about. The West siders are those who could not afford the worst Fiarfax had to offer and ended up hair so get off the soapbox and don;t be so aggresive to Kris for trying to be supportive of MP. I agree we are screwed but acting like you do is no help either.
    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  64. park'd said on 28 Aug 2010 at 9:35 pm:
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    Get out of here with your lies. The west side has lost a good 20% more value than the east side. You east siders have no clue how life is like here on the west side. Houses FULL of illegals and section 8 losers. I drove through the east side a few weeks back and it looked like paradise in comparison to here. I’m here to spread realism. If you want someone to blow sunshine up your ass then go talk to Kris. I await my apology from her.

  65. MPWitch said on 29 Aug 2010 at 8:38 am:
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    Dear poor park’d
    Kris & I are waiting for an apology from you. The east side was built to collect higher taxes and provide good schools for ALL of MPC. Our schools are now what
    bring good people and families. I don’t know how long that will last now that DeBolt is leaving and the current council doesn’t want to pay for another good super.

  66. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 9:08 am:
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    The east side is residential. Residential development does not pay for itself. Never has, never will, not even in MP.

    My understanding is that the east side was supposed to have more commercial development than it got but the city needed the money so they couldn’t wait for a commercial developer, as at the time the only interest was by residential developers. Short term gains for long term loss, that’s the MP way.

  67. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 9:18 am:
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    “Residential development does not pay for itself.”

    That’s in terms of taxes collected vs. expenditures for services provided, by the way.

  68. Anonymous said on 29 Aug 2010 at 2:52 pm:
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    Parkdh, you have no idea what is what.
    Your little cottages over in West side peaked around 350k now sell fo 175
    single family home on this East side peaked around 550 now selling for 325k

    let me do this slowy
    West side dumpy house>350K 2006 value-175K today value=175K loss

    East side SFH with nice yard:-) >550K 2006 value-325k today val.=225Kloss

    225K loss for East side is more than 175K loss for West side homes

    I think you use the same kind of math the city does when you say West side lost 20% more.

    You really have no clue and your kind of math is not just a lie but plain dumb

  69. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 2:57 pm:
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    According to your figures, on a percentage basis the houses on the west side lost more than the houses on the east side.

    If you aren’t going to use a percentage basis to compare, then I don’t know how you can make any valid comparison at all.

    By the way, I think a lot of people in this city are really bad at math. No other way to explain what goes on around here.

  70. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 2:58 pm:
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    I also saw it when the mayor had no clue what the population of Prince William County is. Not a numbers guy, obviously.

  71. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 3:00 pm:
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    “If you aren’t going to use a percentage basis to compare, then I don’t know how you can make any valid comparison at all.”

    ..and if you need an explanation why, I’m not even going to bother. It would be a wasted effort.

  72. Anonymous said on 29 Aug 2010 at 7:00 pm:
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    Dollars are what count not percentages when it is time to pay bills you dolt!

  73. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 11:09 pm:
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    Percentages are what count when you’re trying to determine how much tax revenue you’ll get. A 20% drop in housing prices is a 20% drop in property tax revenue if the rate remains the same, dolt.

  74. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 11:10 pm:
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    I should say “assessed values” instead of “housing prices”.

  75. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 11:14 pm:
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    Also, percentages count more than dollar values if you’re looking at the real estate market as whole, particularly in terms of stability. The wild price excursions we saw on the west side are an indication of something. Probably fraud.

  76. ... said on 29 Aug 2010 at 11:28 pm:
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    Oh, here’s the analogy I thought of earlier:

    Company “A” lost $10 of their per-share stock price.

    Company “B” also lost $10 of their per-share stock price.

    However, company “A” had a stock price of $50 prior to losing $10 per share, for a price of $40 per share.

    Company “B” had a stock price of $20 per share, prior to losing $10 per share, for a price of $10 per share.

    Which company lost more of their stock value, company “A” or company “B”?

    Company “B” did. Their stock lost 50% of it’s value. Company “A” only lost 20% of it’s value.

    Get it now?

  77. Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 6:24 am:
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    The original point was who lost more money ,someone said West side owners did and that is not true

  78. mpcinsider said on 30 Aug 2010 at 8:18 am:
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    We all lost money, but if you look at west side vs east side. The east side is fairing better and the city is pandering to them not west side. the only thing west side is getting is an upgraded intersection at manassas dr and mathis. Other than that there is no improvments planned. The city would rather cut off the west side if it could. The west side have houses that defies rational thinking. Yes a lot of these houses have been made into 1 room apartments for hispanics. The west side has abandon car in the back yard facing denver for over 3 years and no one for MP has given the home owner a citation. There are 2 areas over on the east side that is turning bad. Hedford rd. and it surounding streats are the areas of concern. I am willing to bet that most tax money coming in goes to the east side and very little goes to west side.

  79. ... said on 30 Aug 2010 at 9:40 am:
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    West side owners who bought during the “boom” did lose more of what they paid for their house, just like the owners of company “B” ’s stock.

  80. Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 10:08 am:
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    Well at least West side got that Rec center hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaahahahahahahhaahahhaahhahahahaha

    whew that was funny(in tears I am laughing so hard)

  81. ... said on 30 Aug 2010 at 11:13 am:
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    We’re all gonna pay for that rec center.

  82. mpcinsider said on 30 Aug 2010 at 12:07 pm:
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    Yep and Manassas Park Elementary school too. Both bonds are coming due next year.

  83. Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 12:11 pm:
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    Would anyone argue not returning to PWC?
    Anyone in favor?

    P.D. And F.D are redundant so beside some school redistricting what would be the downside anyway?

    WE would not have bd kids from Westgae coming here so what would tteh big deal be? YOu might see more business and better home values with the tax rate improvement PWC gobbling us up would bring.

    What are all your thoughts? IN my opinion it could not be worse.

  84. ... said on 30 Aug 2010 at 1:19 pm:
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    Sounds like we need a get-rich-quick scheme!

  85. mpcinsider said on 30 Aug 2010 at 1:28 pm:
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    That was the city center.

  86. Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 2:37 pm:
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    Do you all think most of the citizens would support or oppose MPC going back to PWC?

    I know schools are the biggest issue but we would not have Westgate kids coming here.

    Fire and poilice are redundant.
    City hall can be evaporated.
    Public works could be incorporated.]

    opinions? I know you all have plenty so share up.

    remember the question, how do you thing MOST people would feel?(support or oppose)

  87. ... said on 30 Aug 2010 at 2:57 pm:
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    “That was the city center.”

    Off-track-betting before that

  88. park'd said on 30 Aug 2010 at 3:56 pm:
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    I had a list of houses in my hood that were on the market for sale, in the process of closing or sold between January 2008 to March 2009 and 24 of them were foreclosures and there are only 96 in my development. 25% of the homes here were in foreclosure within 18 months!! Houses in my hood were going for upwards of $380k at their peak in 2006. At their low point last fall they were selling for less than $120k because they were still all foreclosures. That is a drop of 70% from peak and a total loss of $260k! I know of nowhere else in the country that got hit this bad and yet I never heard about MP being in the national news for this distinction? Did you? If there is one thing I know, it’s math and common sense. The east side losses don’t hold a candle to the west side losses either via percentage or total loss in monetary value per equally valuable properties. To say otherwise is just plain ridiculous. Sure a house on the east side that used to be $600k may have a higher dollar loss but you can’t compare that $600k house to a $380k house here either just to prove your point that your side has lost more value in dollars. That’s ridiculous. The west side really should be declared a disaster area and federal help should be incoming. I’ll take the Pepsi challenge with ANY locality in the country for most drastic property value drops and be confident that I will win either gold, silver or bronze for worst hit real estate nationwide.

  89. Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 4:37 pm:
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    A dollar lost is still a dollar lost.
    SO I lost more dollars than you, I lost more dollars than you.

    Anyone who paid 380K for a one level cape code on West side was either an idiot or an illegal with no intention of paying anyway

  90. ... said on 30 Aug 2010 at 5:31 pm:
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    “Anyone who paid 380K for a one level cape code on West side was either an idiot or an illegal with no intention of paying anyway”

    Ironically, it was the “affordable” housing which had the greatest (as a percentage) price gains and the greatest (as a percentage) price drops.

  91. Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 5:50 pm:
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    affordable with 12 people living there ,lol
    overflow from Westgate

  92. mpcinsider said on 31 Aug 2010 at 5:57 am:
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    “Anonymous said on 30 Aug 2010 at 2:37 pm: Flag comment

    Do you all think most of the citizens would support or oppose MPC going back to PWC?

    I know schools are the biggest issue but we would not have Westgate kids coming here.

    Fire and poilice are redundant.
    City hall can be evaporated.
    Public works could be incorporated.]

    opinions? I know you all have plenty so share up.”

    I support folding MPC into PWC. I know PWC has issue but it pale compare to MP’s issues

  93. mpcinsider said on 31 Aug 2010 at 10:10 am:
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    Has anyone been to Signal bay waterpark?

    I hear the lifeguards can care less about watching out for people who may be drowning. Also when was the last time the lazy river was cleaned? I am hearing reports from people who won’t even swim there anymore.

  94. sahdman said on 31 Aug 2010 at 8:12 pm:
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    I went to signal bay a few times this summer and one time one of the boy lifeguards was chasing his little lifeguard girlfriend all around the pool. The rules state the slides are for the kids but that didn’t seem to bother those two. The lazy river was clean when I was there, but that was in mid July.

  95. sahdman said on 31 Aug 2010 at 8:28 pm:
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    For the record I think signal bay is a great place for the little kids. I noticed that some of the water sprayers were not working and some of the ones that were needed some work done to them. Also the snack bar was closed even after the MP website said it was going to be open this year.

    This won’t change anything but for a fraction of the cost of that rec center where the sun deck is in the shade from about 2pm on. (duh)
    We could have built numerous outdoor pools had temporary summer staff to run them and a reasonable entrance fee. And a lot of kids could have enjoyed swimming during this summer that otherwise might not have had the opportunity. Every time I think about it costing 8 dollars to swim in that little indoor pool (with a sun deck in the shade all afternoon) it makes me mad.

    By the way my kid had swimming classes at the rec center the water was so cold the kids would get in and start shivering. The classes lasted about a month and the water was cold the whole time.

  96. MPCinsider said on 1 Sep 2010 at 5:32 am:
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    For the record here is two posting about the city center apartments:

    Would not recommend this place
    From: msully0001
    Date posted: 8/30/2010
    Years at this apartment: 2010 - 2010

    I moved in to City Center in March. Shortly after, tenants with a small child moved in above me. The child is constantly running and jumping, causing the light fixture to vibrate. Floor/ceiling is paper thin. I have complained to the apartment management since May. They claimed on a number of occasions they would move the family, nothing ever happens. I’ve confronted the tenants on various occasions, nothing has worked. I have to get on my sink and pound on the ceiling with my hand before they will stop! Management finally asked me if I was willing to relocate and they would waive the $500 relocation fee! How nice of them after this has been going on for over three months. I just want out, period!! Do your homework before renting.

    Other observations:

    1) Management would NOT give my 13 year old a key fob to access the outside doors because they claim you have to be at least 14!! By the time you leave the management office, you are more frustrated than when you entered.

    2) They wouldn’t give me a second parking pass for my motorcycle, citing they had already given me one for my truck. Their policy is that if you park in the lot, you must have a parking pass or your vehicle is subject to being towed.

    3) For what you get here, the apartments are overpriced. They continue to claim that shops will be moving into the area shortly, but not one has rented the vacant shops since I’ve moved in. It will cost you between $125 - $175 to rent a garage.

    4) Nothing is within walking distance with the exception of low income housing and a large vehicle repair facility which is next door to the “mini-pool”. People drive in and out of the facility like mad men!! People are there all hours of the night.

    5) The pool appears to be an after thought for the facility. More than ten people and it’s over crowded.

    6) Don’t know how they figure the water usage. My water bill keeps going up while my usage keeps going down. Have cut back on washing clothes to see if that makes a difference. It didn’t.

    7) When I moved in, only FIOS Verizon was available for Internet and Cable TV. When I called Verizon to create an account, they claimed I had to sign a two year agreement. I discussed this with the management and they claimed they didn’t know anything about this.

    8) When I asked management what it would cost to break my lease and move out because of the first issue I listed, they claimed it would cost over $5000 and I would have to provide them a 60 day move out notice. Each month it goes up because of the incentive between the actual cost of the apartment and what I am paying with the incentive I received in March. The actual cost of the apartment is around $1800 per month for a two bedroom two bath.

    Trying to get out of this place as soon as possible!!

    One good note. They have a nice work out facility.

    Last updated: 8/30/2010

    Read more: http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/VA-Manassas-Park-City-Center-at-Manassas-Park-1132228.html#ixzz0yGxOoKRj

    WARNING: The Residence at City Center is far too expensive for what you get.
    NOTHING is included (water,/sewage, electricity, gas, cable, internet) which is very annoying. Beware, because they say they take care of the water service, but in less than a month of living there you WILL get a bill for water and sewage totaling over $100 for a one-person apartment. I think the water service does not read their meters correctly because they keep saying we are using 7400 gallons of water a month! So, if that is true, the appliances in this complex are NOT energy efficient because I know there is no possible way in hell I could ever use that much water in one month. Also, every time you cook, your fire alarm will go off for no reason.
    The staff is very nice while they are telling you what you owe them, but it doesn t really make matters better when you are not allowed to do anything on the property. There are no outside outlets, so you cannot clean your car. You are not allowed to park a motorcycle in the parking lot. You are not allowed to keep anything on your deck, unless it looks appropriate. Really, all you are allowed to do is sleep there.
    The pool is ridiculously small! If you are wondering why there are no pictures available online of it, it is because they are probably embarrassed to have such an undersized pool. Not only that, but there are never any chairs available on the weekends.
    Also, their apartments do not have stainless steel appliances like they advertise AND there are no lights in the living room or bedrooms. Washer and drier also suck. The wood floors are fake and really hard to clean. I guess some apartments do have stainless steel appliances, but they cost $200 dollars more/ month.
    All in all, I would never recommend that anybody live here.

    Last updated: 8/19/2010

    Read more: http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/VA-Manassas-Park-City-Center-at-Manassas-Park-1108392.html#ixzz0yGyMJOiF

  97. Anonymous said on 1 Sep 2010 at 6:31 am:
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    you are right about the sundeck. it is so silly it makes me laugh
    the water would be warmer if more people would just pee in the pool

  98. MPCinsider said on 1 Sep 2010 at 10:26 am:
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    Inregards to the sundeck. MP was looking out for it citzens. They didnt want the people using the sun deck to get much sun since we all know that UV causes cancer and MP is just doing it’s part to promote a health pool experience. I can imagine that some did not take into count which way the sun deck was facing. I am not an architect, but if I was one I would have know which way the sun rises and sets over the rec center. I mean how can some architect miss this important part of the rec center.

    That is what we paid for. When you goto the rec center and use the sundeck just remember that MP was looking out for your heath, and if you do see the director or assist director thank them on being so caring about your health.

    As for the pool water being cold. It take a lot of money to have the pool heated. The director thought it would be better for the pool to be at a tempture that causes hypothermia so you can use the pool deck to warm-up. Oh wait that doesn’t work when the pool deck is covered by shade.

    Where is out treasurer? Is she taking vaction again? She is giving the Obama a run for their money.

  99. MPCinsider said on 1 Sep 2010 at 10:29 am:
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    *out to our

  100. nonconformistmartha said on 1 Sep 2010 at 11:42 am:
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    The temperature of the pool is what it is because of the swim teams that use the facility, and also due to cost. It is usually between 80 and 83 degrees, which is normal for a competition pool. Any higher and competition/lap swimmers, which is what the pool caters to, would overheat easily.
    And the sun deck is stupid.

  101. ... said on 1 Sep 2010 at 12:21 pm:
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    “They cant even right a letter and ask the VRE company and others not to blow there horn between such and such time ( there is a f@c!n law on the books u know)

    Read more: http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/VA-Manassas-Park-City-Center-at-Manassas-Park-1126781.html#ixzz0yIcn3wjF

    that wonderful train horn at 1am, 2am, 3am, and so on…

    someone tell me why Manassas City has their stuff together enough that they managed to get a train whistle ban, but here in MP that’s not the case?

  102. ... said on 1 Sep 2010 at 12:39 pm:
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    “City Center offers Arlington luxury at a reasonable price.”


  103. ... said on 1 Sep 2010 at 12:42 pm:
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    “Steps away from shops and restaurants.”

    About 3,400 steps, but whose counting

  104. sahdman said on 1 Sep 2010 at 8:12 pm:
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    You need to complain at the next city council meeting about the train noise. From what I have heard the city has to put in a cross walk and put up some signs to meet DOT regulation. Manassas had the permits before the regulations changed and were grandfathered in. Maybe someone knows more about this.

  105. ... said on 2 Sep 2010 at 12:28 am:
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    Manassas Park could have gotten the permits also but they were a “dollar short and a day late”.

  106. truthtalker said on 2 Sep 2010 at 1:11 am:
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    Even the director admits it would have cost less than 200k to put in a water park in the indoor pool when it was in the design phase. However, they don’t want people to have fun at their facilities, so they took it out. Look at the rules at Signal Bay…. no kid can have fun there. You all over paid for a building that is useless.

  107. MPCinsider said on 2 Sep 2010 at 12:41 pm:
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    What do youall think if the city of manassas turns away that shop. I think it would do great at the city center.

  108. ... said on 2 Sep 2010 at 1:32 pm:
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    Does Arlington have sex shops like that at their city center? If so, then yes.

  109. 0truthful1 said on 2 Sep 2010 at 4:35 pm:
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    MPCinsider, You know the Treasurer is on vacation again. If I am correct this makes, UUMMMM since the start of 2010 the 4th full week and we are not even at the end of the year. I would love to get the leave she seems to receive each year. BUT like they say “it is a FAMILY thing” It is not in the job you do or in her case NOT do, but who you are related to, married to or drink with that will get you what you want. I have never seen anyone in a higher up position take as much vacation leave as she. How does MPC even know how much money is going out or coming in if the Treasurer is never in?

  110. sahdman said on 2 Sep 2010 at 9:40 pm:
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    I said a long time ago that the only thing moving into city center would be sex shops, gun stores that also happen to cash checks, pawn shops and now if McDonnell gets his way a convenience store that sells hard liquor.
    Is there anything to keep that property from turning into condo’s?

  111. mpcinsider said on 3 Sep 2010 at 5:28 am:
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  112. mpcinsider said on 3 Sep 2010 at 5:38 am:
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    0truthful1 you are correct about the Treasurer is never in. She has yet proven she knows what is going on. She is nothing like the last Treasurer who worked hard. She has to get her husband (Fire Chief) to create her budget. Her staff knows more about the job than she does. She is just there to collect a pay check and be at the city council becon call for money. She can’t stand up to them since she is friends with the vice mayor wife (assistant director of the rec center). It just so happen that when her husband got the fire chief job somehow she was given a position over at the rec center. Hmmm… more of the same old same old. There are retired people in MP who knows how to handle the Treasurer job easily. If she run again for that position I will make sure she does not get re-elected.

  113. hmmm... said on 3 Sep 2010 at 3:27 pm:
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    the treasurer ran un-opposed

  114. 0truthful1 said on 4 Sep 2010 at 7:54 am:
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    Treasurer may have run un-opposed, but I think that there are many people who now know what she is all about. Hense the people who know how to handle the job and others who will make sure she does not get re-elected. There are several people who are much more capable at doing the job than she. Her staff knows more about the job and what needs to be done than she. They also come to work and don’t take more vacation than the Obama’s…….

  115. park'd said on 5 Sep 2010 at 4:32 pm:
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    Man it really IS nice on the east side past those tracks. I was down there again driving around with the top down and that side of town is so nice and clean. Hell I would be as happy as a clam if I lived over there. I can’t believe it’s the same town. The west side is such a $h1thole in comparison. Why do they allow the west side to go on like this? 15 people to a house, trash everywhere all over the streets blowing around, houses all either newly rebuilt into Mexican motel monstrosities or in a serious state of disrepair, etc. It is very frustrating to be stuck over here with no way out other than destroyed credit and a middle finger to the city and the bank. WHY DO THEY ALLOW THIS?

  116. Cynic said on 5 Sep 2010 at 6:08 pm:
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    park’d wants to know: “WHY DO THEY ALLOW THIS?”


  117. 0truthful1 said on 6 Sep 2010 at 8:19 am:
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    I would say CORRUPTION! Think about it like this, “if we don’t see it we don’t have to worry about it.” They never go to the west side of the city. They have everything they need on the east side. There is a Code Enforcement department what do they do? They are located at the Police Department on the west side. Don’t they have to make sure that the city is clean and rules are followed? Public works doesn’t even do mowing on the west side as they do on the east. Again they are located on the west side. So in my opinion the whole city is to blame. Looks like not 1 department is looking out for the west side.


    I think the best thing to do is just let the county take over and the city desolve! It would be the best thing for the citizens all the way around. When I read in the paper that they gave up the 911 dispatch center to the county. I started to ask questions and found there are things I am sure the citizens did not know about the 911 dispatch center. Things that we as citizens should have been receiving and not. Now we will receive the instructions that are DESERVED when calling 911.


  118. mpcinsider said on 8 Sep 2010 at 5:41 am:
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    Can someone explain why there is a city center leasing ad sitting at the rec center? Is the mayor that desperate to bring business to the city center or is CLARK paying for that space at the rec center. Make you wonder if the MP is now in bed with Clark which means illegal activities. Which would call for immediate dismissal of all who had dealings with Clark? Maybe we should get the VA AG to look into this matter?

  119. mpcinsider said on 8 Sep 2010 at 12:22 pm:
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    I found this about the city center. They must be joking!! Come on Mayor your crowning jewel is a piece of fools gold.

    City Center is Prince William County’s first live/work, transit-oriented,
    mixed-use community, and is carefully designed and tailored to the unique needs of its large pedestrian and commuter customer base.

    Please visit www.citycenterva.com or www.Clarkrealty.com for more information.

    - Across from Manassa Park VRE Station.
    - Part of a new mixed use transit oriented community.
    - 291 luxury apartments above the retail.
    - Venting is available in 90% of space to accommodate food preparation.
    - Manassas Drive has 25,000 ADT
    - Signalized Intersection.

    Project At a Glance

    - 22,000 commuters per month utilize the adjacent Manassas Park VRE Station
    - 500 plus residents living in the most luxurious residences in the County
    - 4,000 employees working in adjacent Conner Business Park and City Hall
    - 3,000 high school students within walking distance to City Center
    - 25,000 average daily vehicle trips on Manassas Drive
    - Market Street, anchored by Pavilion Square, will host special events, festivals, and outdoor market bazaars for businesses located at City Center and for the City of Manassas Park
    - Stunning outdoor dining space with fountains provides elegant seating for premier restaurants

    45,000 square feet of retail is available - for business owners who share our vision.

  120. mpcinsider said on 8 Sep 2010 at 12:27 pm:
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    Hey 0truthful1 we still have a new rec center that has a shaded sun deck. Does that count for the West side. LOL

    Hey Treasurer when is your next vaction I bet it is around vetern’s day. Are you taking time off again for that? Do you have vacation time saved up? I wonder how many vacation day you were given at the start of the year? Come on now you know you got to keep up with Obama’s vaction time. You are one vacation behind him.

  121. truthtalker said on 8 Sep 2010 at 11:09 pm:
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    If you were at the Grand Opening of the Rec Center…. the City Center ads were up. These were put up by the Mayor, City Manager, and the P&R director. This placement was free.

  122. mpcinsider said on 9 Sep 2010 at 5:35 am:
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    yes I was there. The city can’t bring any business to the city center so they had to pawn a space for Clark. It seems that Clark and MP are in bed further then we realize.

  123. 0truthful1 said on 9 Sep 2010 at 10:51 am:
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    mpcinsider - This is funny! I don’t think it counts because the cost for a citizen is to high for the crap services. The old building could have used a remodel and update on the pool. So many more could have enjoyed that and it would not have broke the city! They went way overboard! Now they have a huge building that was NOT NEEDED, but they lied and said that it could fund itself. They have hired new people since the lay-offs, so much for a freeze! WELL WELL WELL where is the city now? The city is way over their heads and will do anything to make sure they keep it, even if it means screw the worker bees and the citizens. A little birdy says there may be another lay off……Any word on that one?

  124. mpcinsider said on 9 Sep 2010 at 10:54 am:
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    Well if you remember that $3mill that is needed. It seems it may not go far enough. Someone miscalulated some figures. Could it be that the treasurer made a mistake?

  125. 0truthful1 said on 9 Sep 2010 at 2:12 pm:
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    I remember oh to well that they had to get $3mill way before they would have ever needed to get money. From what I have heard it is not going to go far enough. Let me guess a mistake on the treasurers part and the other worker bees have to pay the price by loosing their jobs. Go figure!

  126. mpcinsider said on 9 Sep 2010 at 2:18 pm:
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    After this is all over you and must have coffee at startbuck by the ledos

  127. mpcinsider said on 9 Sep 2010 at 2:19 pm:
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    You and I

    sorry my grammer and spelling sucks

  128. 0truthful1 said on 9 Sep 2010 at 6:14 pm:
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    Love Starbucks! Will have to do that, would love to get to meet you!

  129. mpcinsider said on 10 Sep 2010 at 6:05 am:
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    It seems that the higher-up people of MP have been monitoring this website about information that has been posted. While we are honor that you have taken time to read our posting we here must say the following:

    To the rec center: Since we all know that the assistant director is the wife of the vice mayor. I see that the city council is turning a blind eye to the problems that are plaguing the rec center. The first problem is the amount of revenue that is coming into the rec center is far less than what expenses are going out. Second if the Director and assistant director stop playing favoritism to some employee and actually start acting professionally. The lacks-a-daisy approach to running the rec center day to day would be better. Maybe if the front desk actually knew what they were doing and the extend care people actually watch the kids and participate with kids, we here would not have to tell everyone the lousy job your staff is doing. Third your hiring of the pool management at signal bay is so pathetic the life guards would rather chase each other around then to watch the customers.

    To the treasurer: STOP TAKING VACTION TIME WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE THE VACTION TIME SAVED. Do your work by learning your job. Actually listen to your worker bees maybe they know what they are talking about, but if you continue to just sit in your office and chat with people from the rec center who are allowed to sit with you for over an hour maybe we won’t have to keep bring it up. It has been said you have never sat down and made a department budget by yourself. Granted the first was with your husband, I get that. Now it is time after how many years oyu have been at this job you can’t even do the simple task without asking for help.

    To the city council: Where do I start? First you (council) should have cut every directors pay by 10%, instead of laying off so many worker bees. Second if you actually took the time and see how your bad decision have affected so many we would not be staring at an empty city center. Third the city center while it has been report that so many cars travel and with VRE and the residents of the city center that a bunch of business would move in. WOW YOU ALL HAVE LAID A DUD OF AN EGG!!! The cars and the people using VRE don’t care about MP they would rather shop on Liberia or on 234, where they live. Fourth do you actually think a fortune 500 company would setup shop in MP? I mean look at how you have let down the west side of down by not controlling zoning. People park their cars everywhere; people have businesses running out of their house. You have house that have added to that look like a three year old built it. Fifth you let your directors run rough shot and created so many errors that it take us to report them. You won’t fire the director and assistant director for failing to make the rec center profitable. You let the city treasurer take so many vacation that we are wondering who will travel more, Obama or her.

    Now if you want us to stop talking about what is true about the problems that are happening in MP, and then get your act together, but that will never happen.

    BTW $3mil was never enough to cover your expenses until real estate taxes come due. Just like 0truthful1 stated more layoffs are coming. Maybe it is time to cut some pay of the directors to save some cash. Heaven knows you all have raped the school budget. Why not cut your budget by half and save the schools.



    P.S. Time and the truth is on our side not yours just keep doing what you are doing.

  130. 0truthful1 said on 10 Sep 2010 at 6:53 am:
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    Just think it was brought to all of them before the last lay offs about taking a 10% cut in pay for those who made a certain amount and above. NOBODY in a position to take the cut to help save someones job would even think about taking it. I don’t think anybody will consider it this time either.

    With all of these things going on and have gone on can you please tell me why the rec center has hired more people since the last lay offs???

  131. mpcinsider said on 10 Sep 2010 at 7:30 am:
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    City council has turn a blind eye to them. It seem the people they had after the lay offs were unable to complete their assignment or unable to help the citzens. So instead of reviewing what maybe the problem the director and assisant director hired more people even though there was a hiring freeze. I guess if you are the vice mayor’s wife you can do pretty much anything youwant. I mean is the HR department actually going to question the vice mayor’s wife. HR person would have been replaced if they did question the hirings.

  132. Anonymous said on 10 Sep 2010 at 6:15 pm:
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    they need less help now with camps over,ugh so sad

  133. truthtalker said on 10 Sep 2010 at 7:28 pm:
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    Well, since the City is monitoring this feed, maybe they will realize that the People are smarter and more realistic then the ones receiving the paychecks.

    1. DUMP the Director and Assistant Director of Parks and Recreation. Their relationship between each other is not professional. They spend too much personal time together. There is a conflict of interest between their own relationship and the relationship with City Council.
    2. Purge all of our contracts: operations, maintenance, marketing, and pools. If you hire the right people– you don’t need to spend a quarter of a million dollars on these services. Wouldn’t that not only save, but create jobs.
    3. Own up to your own actions. You are unprofessional and ill prepared to do the job before you. If you would have done more research and not played political games, you would have a building that makes money. But, we already realize you can’t do that.
    4. Send out a new RFP for total operations of the building. Let an organization like the YMCA manage and operate the building. Take the burden off the tax payer, and let someone who knows what they are doing take over. Not only will the tax payer not be paying for the day-to-day operations, but you might actually make money to pay of the bonds.
    5. Don’t hire people that you like, know, live next door, or have family work for the City. The P&R hiring practices are illegal. They will only hire people that have a personal relationship between the director or assistant director. If you don’t have this relationship, no job for you! Doesn’t this violate a few laws? Maybe the EEOC should look into this.

    MP will never make money as it is. They need significant change. Maybe the next round of layoffs will hit the P&R staff.

  134. park'd said on 11 Sep 2010 at 8:13 am:
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    I HIGHLY doubt the council and mayor of MP are reading this blog with interest. I’m sure in their minds they have better things to do. It’s not like the citizens of MP hold them to task for the condition of the west side and their failures to enforce zoning and financial failures anyway. Just like America in general, the people get EXACTLY the government that they deserve. Just like most of you folks here keep singing the praises of Frank Wolf even though all of our neighborhood problems occurred on his watch AND he voted for TARP. We see how well that worked out now. I will be casting a vote for ham sandwich for many political races this year because I refuse to vote for corrupt incumbents or their liberal opponents. Enjoy your depression suckers.

  135. truthtalker said on 11 Sep 2010 at 11:50 am:
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    Park’d… see now thats were you are wrong. The MP Administration is reading anything by MPCinsider. See they think they know who it is. In an attempt to find out, they’ve rearranged assignments, left this person out of meetings, monitoring the MP computer usage, and have installed moles to get this person. They already contacted the legal department to see if they violated laws, because not everything is protected under Freedom of Information Act. As soon as they know 100% for sure, this person will be terminated. See, this person has been “mouthy” against MP for almost 18 months now, and they are tired of being the butt of the jokes. Too bad they spent all their time trying to make MPCinsider uncomfortable, instead of focusing on the real problems like directors and assistant directors.

  136. my job stinks said on 11 Sep 2010 at 5:58 pm:
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    there has to be other people working for mp who have gripes about it

    can’t be that great of a work environment

  137. 0truthful1 said on 12 Sep 2010 at 4:01 pm:
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    So many of them hate it, but it is a job and some of them are scared to talk.

  138. truthtalker said on 12 Sep 2010 at 6:05 pm:
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    The ones that are not scared to talk either get demoted, job gets outsourced, or they find a reason to fire. See, many of the MP staff are unethical and will lie and protect their master to be loyal subjects and not do the right thing. Friendships of 16 years are more important than ethics, responsibility, and not hiding the truth. NO MP is one of the worst places to work, but it is a job and we all need one. The sad part is everyone knows what is going on, but no one cares. MPCInsider cares, but they are after this person, and have been for many months.

  139. Cynic said on 12 Sep 2010 at 6:54 pm:
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    If he has a really great lawyer and, of course, the evidence, moving against MPCInsider could be costly for the entrenched MP bureaucracy.

    For example, once they catch one MP supporter in a lie, and perjury charges become a reality, the MP Support Team will most likely crumble.

  140. they're watching said on 12 Sep 2010 at 9:23 pm:
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    i hope mpcinsider has a special file with you know what kind of information in it, hidden in a special place nowhere near mp.

  141. Cynic said on 12 Sep 2010 at 11:55 pm:
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    they’re watching,

    Before I became an independent bum, worked in a bureaucracy for a period of time. One employee there had some issues with management so he kept a file. Management knew of the file. He filed a formal grievance against them. They scheduled a Hearing to adjudicate his case and thought he would be lost because during this period, they had ‘confiscated’ his file from the desk where he kept it - or so they thought.

    When he came to the Hearing with his real file and a top notched lawyer - and management finally realized that the file in his desk was nothing but a bunch of innocuous junk, he told me that he thought some of them were close to having a heart attack.

    He did win his case. And, most people are not aware of this, but after you win a grievance and do not give management anything they can use use against you, you are for all practical and legal reasons - untouchable.

  142. mpcinsider said on 13 Sep 2010 at 5:55 am:
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    while I am bushing by the support here I can tell you that 0truthful1 is right about the lay offs. The city cant balance a budget when it has no money coming in. So if $3 mil is not enough to cover expenses than lay offs is away to balance their budget. I don’t see a bright future coming anytime soon.

    Oh and BTW I talked to a person in public works on Saturday. This perosn stated that they put up the flags for 9/11 but had to take them down that night. Granted it is nice that MP honored the people of 9/11, but I can’t see wasting overtime unless they are telling the employees to take off this week to counter the hours worked on Saturday. Since my insider was not going to tell me either way (protect their job).

    P.S. If MP comes after me they are going to get a can of WHIP A@@ on them. From National media, to WP, and yes journal messenger . See when I starting posting after SOOO MANY years of wasteful spending by MP. I finally had it.

  143. 0truthful1 said on 13 Sep 2010 at 7:09 am:
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    They have been reading a trying to find out who mpcinsider is for a long time now. It kills them that they can not figure it out. Because everything the insider says is true and they don’t want it out there. There have been people accused of being the insider and moved to different departments. They were so hard on one worker bee that they thought was the insider the worker bee went to a lawyer and the city manager and complained. After that the city manager had a meeting with the higher ups and let them know what was going on. They have gone so far as to tell employees that they are not allowed to discuss this at work. There have been articles in the messanger about the city and I have not been able to comment on. How I don’t know, but this is how they are. Like a snake, BUT although a snake can shed its skins over and over it will always be a snake.

  144. mpcinsider said on 13 Sep 2010 at 10:24 am:
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    It looks like the ax will fall before Oct for some people at MP.

    It is not hard to find information that I post. You just got to ask a question within a question by doing that you can get the information. It does not matter if you leave a person out of a meeting. Someone inside that meeting will discuss it to a fellow employee and then I get it. See you can’t contain me or stop me. Everyone talks you just got to ask the question. Now how hard is that.

  145. 0truthful1 said on 13 Sep 2010 at 2:02 pm:
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    Wow, I bet not to many worker bees know about the ax before Oct. Do they have a list like they did last time? Funny how they tried to be so hush hush about it last time and claimed there was not a list and low and behold a list! Department heads claimed they had no idea who was going and they were the ones who did the recomendations for their department. This way they could save what they wanted to. Again, how does parks and rec along with another department have new hires with the hiring freeze this going on again? Please explain higher ups and or Mayor.

  146. hmm... said on 14 Sep 2010 at 9:19 am:
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    …wouldn’t it be so interesting if internal manassas park documents turned up on wikileaks

  147. Cynic said on 14 Sep 2010 at 10:02 am:
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    Well, yes it would be interesting.

    But, it would be far more interesting if they turned up in the EXAMINER or the W.TIMES or both newspapers and also the Drudge Report - for starters.

  148. 0truthful1 said on 14 Sep 2010 at 12:49 pm:
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    That would be great! There are so many things that need to be brought to light. These things will help not only the worker bees, but also the citizens. If they did turn up think of all that could happen positive for the city. GETTING RID OF THE RIFF RAFF of the higher ups. A change needs that would be great!!

  149. 0truthful1 said on 14 Sep 2010 at 12:49 pm:
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    That would be great! There are so many things that need to be brought to light. These things will help not only the worker bees, but also the citizens. If they did turn up think of all that could happen positive for the city. GETTING RID OF THE RIFF RAFF of the higher ups. A change that would be great!!

  150. 0truthful1 said on 16 Sep 2010 at 2:54 pm:
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    Guess all that has been said is really scaring some of the higher ups. Nothing has been posted since the talk about papers getting out……Notice how things change when everything starts to unfold…

  151. unemployed1 said on 17 Sep 2010 at 9:32 pm:
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    0truthful1-”Just think it was brought to all of them before the last lay offs about taking a 10% cut in pay for those who made a certain amount and above. NOBODY in a position to take the cut to help save someones job would even think about taking it. I don’t think anybody will consider it this time either.

    With all of these things going on and have gone on can you please tell me why the rec center has hired more people since the last lay offs???”

    This one got my attention! There were many great suggestions from us worker bees about trying to avoid lay-offs. But even more excuses to why our suggestions sucked and supposedly wouldn’t work. I was laid off from the City of MP in March of this year (1 week after coming back from maternity leave) and it was stated in the letter I received from Mercury that if there were any positions to come available within the next 6months - I would be notified and given priority. Not that I would go back, but I wasn’t notified about any openings.
    I agree that there are certain people that need to be fired, but not to sure about PWC cleaning up MP’s mess. Wouldn’t that just cause the “domino effect”? Just as many illegals still live in PWC. Its just taking longer for that county to look like a 3rd world country because its bigger than MP! Who’s gonna take control of PWC when it falls?

  152. back to pwc said on 18 Sep 2010 at 1:43 pm:
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    A lot of people has empty promises of jobs being there after 6 months from March lay offs. I think everyone was told the same(pretty sure of it)
    Merck is just riding his time out and no one is getting hired back. Council would never approve it. Why the rec center is getting positions without calling previous employees is beyond me as well. Those who were laid off were good employees but probably pissed somone off that works in the city for too long and is irrelevant anyway(i.e. dog park Vanessa) I think the city is in for a surprise witha lawsuit for tha backdoor dealing after layoffs. I am sure of it. But of course the embarassment of a poor business model and lack of feasability study at the rec center has dooomed us all and PWC will be united with MP once more. Just a matter of time for the past 10 years of botched up plans across the board. Who is to blame? Well ya’ll voted for em.

  153. needsinfo said on 18 Sep 2010 at 7:05 pm:
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    I was also an emplyee layed off in March. After reading this can you please let me know if I missed something. I looked over my letter and it is stated right there in black and white. I have never been contacted about anything being open! If there were positions hired after our lay offs I would love to know. Maybe the other employee and myself can hook up with the same attorney.

  154. xyz said on 18 Sep 2010 at 7:13 pm:
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    I have a few friends who work at the rec center, the only openings there are part time, most with less than 20 hours a week. I would think if the City had a job opening, equal to what you were doing when you left, that they would call you.

  155. trustnoone said on 18 Sep 2010 at 7:37 pm:
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    i would say I have a few friends who are employed at the rec center, I would not say I have a few friends who “work” at the rec center. they do not work they just sit.

  156. unemployed1 said on 18 Sep 2010 at 8:02 pm:
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    xyz said on 18 Sep 2010 at 7:13 pm:”I would think if the City had a job opening, equal to what you were doing when you left, that they would call you.”

    Maybe/maybe not, but those 20hrs are more than I’m getting right now! Maybe its just the fact that nobody let us have the opportunity to decide if the position would be something we would qualify for or want.

  157. trustnoone said on 18 Sep 2010 at 9:13 pm:
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    Good point unemployed1. At least a phone call right? Hey we have something open, you might not like it but we thought to at least call you.

    Friends of friends get the calls. Which is where if we could find some co- oberating people could backup some corruption claims about goings ons. Mayor you are the one overseeing all management, why don’t you clean this up already!? (you ultimately are the head of the city aren’t you?) the motto seems to be
    ” stand up for nothing, lie down for everything”

  158. mpcinsider said on 20 Sep 2010 at 5:52 am:
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    unemployed1 I am truly sorry about your loss of your job. The city back stabbed you with a legal councel. One person work now work at city hall that use to work for the rec center was not let go because she was in with the director and assistant director (director’s pet). She now is able to do what she wants at city hall with out any challange. The jobs that the rec center is hiring for are pt. I am sure if the Assistant director needed someone she can get them hired since her husband is vice mayor. Remember the city is run my only a few that have their family member working for the park.

    For example:

    Mayor and his wife (school)
    Vice mayor and wife (rec center)
    Fire chief and wife (treasurer)

    I am sure there is more and other will add. So if you are not part of the family then you are sure to be laid off.

    $3mil is not going to make it all the way to Dec.

    Tick tock time is running out.

    BTW MP you might want to protect your server back end. You have a security hole that a novice hacker can get through. Your IT department won’t be able to find the hole.

  159. needsinfo said on 20 Sep 2010 at 6:33 am:
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    I know for a fact that they have hired front desk persons and more. I don’t care if they are PT or not. Those of us who were layed off were told something. Again, they are not holding up to what they told us. My letter states ANY job you are qualified for. I am sure that we are very qualified to do the job they have hired for. They never even attempted to call anyone to offer!

    back to pwc - can you please let me know something about the attorney. I would like to talk to them maybe also adding myself as a client. Why not have a group of us together instead of all of us with seporate attorneys. I am tired of being screwed by the city! If you don’t want to talk on here maybe I can get with you on the outside through email, I will give you mine.

  160. truthtalker said on 23 Sep 2010 at 1:02 am:
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    NEEDSINFO….. I am sure you would like the PT front desk job…. but let me tell you…. you don’t want to work for P&R. It’s miserable. I work there now…. and your afraid to breathe…. it may seem greener on the other side…. but be happy that you are not there.

  161. mpcinsider said on 23 Sep 2010 at 9:07 am:
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    Hey truthtalker I hope you are commenting from a computer that is not at work. I am sorry that the Director and Assistant director can’t even manage the P&R. They are to busy with their own problems and don’t want to be bothered with P&R issues. I hear the front desk still can’t act accordingly and they rather sit and talk to each other than to say hello or even give a friendly smile. It is sad that the Director stated that P&R would fund itself but has failed to do so. Maybe the Director and assistant director should step down for failing to keep that promise. That would never happen since the assistant director is married to the vice mayor. She would never be fired from MP. Makes you wonder how in the heck the city is still in business.

    I also just love how so much traffic infront of the city center over the weekend I can see why a business would like to be there. NOT!!!!

    Give it up mayor you are a failure to the city and you should resign along with every council member who voted for that empty retail space you call city center.

    Time is on my side not yours mayor.

    TICK TOCK time and money is running out.

  162. needsinfo said on 24 Sep 2010 at 2:20 pm:
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    Truthtalker - The fact of the matter is that it was stated in a letter I received at the time of my lay off. I would be notified and given priority if a position I was qualified for opened. I have never even gotten a call PT or not. I want to get the attorney information from anyone who can and will give it so I can also talk to them. A group instead of just one of us will be a stronger force. I am tired of being a door mat for the city, I did it for long enough when I worked there and now to still be stomped on by them after the lay off. NO LONGER!!

  163. Otruthful1 said on 25 Sep 2010 at 7:59 pm:
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    Well well well, word travels fast! Just more into for those of you who were layed off the first time. There is a person who has left the city from the water department so there is an opening at city hall. I wonder if they will call any of you who were layed off. I doubt it, but guess what there will be lay offs again in the city before long and would you really want to come back?

  164. unemployed1 said on 26 Sep 2010 at 10:42 pm:
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    Huh, with the way jobs are now? Anything (even temporary) would help. Any word on when the next round will be layed off and how many?

  165. mpcinsider said on 27 Sep 2010 at 5:46 am:
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    Hey Otruthful1 are you think the water department person left knowing what is coming and found a job before she got axed? That will only save MP about $35K not enough to make payroll for the next two pay cycles. MP needs to layoff more people in order to pay for everything.

  166. mpcinsider said on 27 Sep 2010 at 5:48 am:
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    Hey unemployed1 got to the newspaper and see if they can stir MP pot.

  167. mpcinsider said on 27 Sep 2010 at 6:50 am:
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    Hey mayor I hear that the fall festival will be held at city hall again this year. I bet that everyone who is going to attend will be seeing how empty the retail space at your crown jewel of dog poo (city center). It is nice that you are showing how pathetic you and the city council are. You can’t even get one retailer in that place. I laugh and tell all my friends to drive by and see how empty the dog poo really is.

    Give it up mayor you can’t manage this city anymore just step down along with the rest of the city council and let some else run the show. Everyone of you has made MP the laughing stock of Northern VA.

    High Taxes on residents. No Fortune 100 company will never setup shop here. You can only get “ma & pa” businesses.

    Everyone drive through the city but only stop at either a stop sign or a stop light. No one want to shop or live here.

    Your west side needs help and you turn a blind eye to them. They are the ones who built the city not the east side.

    The director and assistant director of the re center can’t manage no one and the place is a joke.

    You have people at city hall that rather talk all day instead of working but they don’t get fired.

    Your treasurer take more time off than Obama.

    Hey mayor do you really have a handle on the city? You are so pathetic I can’t even call you mayor. You don’t deserve the title of mayor. You new tiltle will be ‘Pathetic of MP”.

  168. mpcinsider said on 27 Sep 2010 at 10:33 am:
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    wow I see the Public works director is now jumping ship. MP has a posting with a salary of $83k. That job can’t pay thta much money. What in the world does that person do to get that salary. The one who has it now does little so that make sense. So we are going to get someone for $83k to watch over a city that can’t watch it’s speending and “Pathetic of MP” can’t get the crown jewel of dog poo up and running. What a sad day for MP residents.

    How many MP upper have or is jumping ship.

    School Sup.
    City manager
    Public work Dirc.

    WOW look at the money we are going to save if we don’t fill those positions. maybe the park can pay its bills on time now instead of holding off till they have the money.

  169. Otruthful1 said on 27 Sep 2010 at 7:42 pm:
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    Job in water department is more like 40’s or 50’s is what she made.

  170. truthtalker said on 28 Sep 2010 at 12:32 am:
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    I just wish the Director of Parks and Recreation and her best friend, the Assistant Director, got the hint and understand they don’t know how to do their jobs and quit too. Maybe you can actually turn a profit on the building if you didn’t have people sitting around all day–including you two.

  171. needsinfo said on 28 Sep 2010 at 11:40 am:
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    Still no word for me on any job being open. Guess nobody who had been layed off in March will hear anything this time either. Way to go make it easier on all of us who were layed off to make it easy at the lawyers office. Anyone with info of an attorney we can all see together? If not guess I will have to go out on my own.

  172. nonconformistmartha said on 30 Sep 2010 at 2:06 pm:
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    I hear Deputy Director of Parks and Rec is also jumping ship, effective Oct 22…

  173. mpcinsider said on 1 Oct 2010 at 8:35 am:
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    Well I guess the Director will now have to do some work, or maybe now that the assistant director is moving on the director may look for a out also.

  174. truthtalker said on 1 Oct 2010 at 2:48 pm:
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    I just hope its true. If so, its about time the nepotism stops!

  175. Kathy F. said on 3 Oct 2010 at 7:56 am:
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    So, who will replace the Superintendent of MP schools?

  176. mpcinsider said on 4 Oct 2010 at 6:36 am:
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    To truthtalker: The director is very upset that the assisant director is leaving. the assisant director knows that nothing will every change and that the city and the rec center is doomed. The assistant director is finally get some time with her family which she has been pushing aside.

    To Kathy F.: I hope they hire within but don’t count on it.

  177. mpcinsider said on 8 Oct 2010 at 10:14 am:
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    Hey workers at MP city hall. stop reading this blog and get back to work.

  178. truthtalker said on 8 Oct 2010 at 5:13 pm:
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    LoL. Mpcinsider…. you know they read it at the Community Center too….. no one comes, so the most exciting thing to do is read and write on here. :)

  179. truthtalker said on 11 Oct 2010 at 1:16 am:
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    Have you seen the job description for the Deputy Director of Recreation position? It pays $55k to 88K. Too bad they insist on having a number 2 for an incompetent director. If you would just get rid of this position– you could hire two people to do the work for one and still save money. This way you have two people that will decrease the work load, be able to hire two people, and less likely to burn out. But, you can’t hire two when you’re having a hiring freeze. And it’s easier to have one person to stay quite and cover up your dirty laundry. It’s harder to muzzle two people. Good luck getting someone to work and stay working for you.

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