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The Summer of Crazy

By Greg L | 31 August 2010 | Manassas City | 68 Comments

Old Town Manassas has a lot of different shops where you can find old books, clothes, furniture and all sorts of wonderful things, all befitting a quaint historic town.  So one local entrepreneur decided to add to that mix something we certainly don’t have.  A place to buy sex toys.

Battle Street just got a whole lot more interesting.

No one is arguing that these folks don’t have a legal right to do this, and so far I haven’t heard any credible claims that some sort of review board should be established.  Most of us don’t like that type of government interference, and even if such a review board was established with good intentions the ultimate result would be undeniably and inexorably bad.  Still, the free market does occasionally provide us with examples of incomparably bad judgment that will annoy and enrage a broad swath of the public until it ultimately fails.  That’s just what happens from time to time.  The exercise of liberty isn’t always pleasant to everyone.

Still, this is a marketplace not only of goods and services, but of ideas.  Pretty obviously there are lots of folks out there, including Councilmember Marc Aveni, who insist this is a horrible idea that dramatically degrades the quality of Old Town, and they’re free to market that idea in lots of ways.  The right response to the bad exercise of liberty is to respond with a better exercise of liberty and make it clear to the business owners that if your business enrages the community, the community is going to do whatever they legally can to ensure your business fails and you lose a ton of money.  Liberty provides its own self-correcting mechanisms.

I can already envision the prayer vigils out in front of this sex shop and the impact that will have on the profitability of this terribly ill-conceived idea.  The folks planning this really, really ought to reconsider this before they start down this path of guaranteed financial ruin.  It’s kind of like building a mosque at Ground Zero in Manhattan and expecting the construction costs will be recouped by soliciting donations from passersby, at least to the residents and business owners of Old Town.

This sure is one crazy summer.



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68 Comments

  1. VRC said on 31 Aug 2010 at 6:03 pm:
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    This is outrageous! City staff needs to be fired if this was not brought before council before granting the permit. We’re spending how many thousands of taxpayer dollars to make Old Town a place to attract families and staff just up and says, “You want to set up a sex shop? No problem!”

    City council won’t hear the end of this!

  2. Patty said on 31 Aug 2010 at 7:49 pm:
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    How to ruin the City’s reputation in three easy steps:

    1. Permit Gaudencio Fernandez to erect billboard sized signs which violate zoning ordinances and are filled with hate speech And in full view of commuters on the VRE.

    2. Continue to ban recreational fishing at Lake Manassas and deny children an opportunity to go fishing with their dad.

    3. Allow a sex toy business to operate in the heart of Old Town…… just in time before the anniversary of the first Battle of Manassas.

    Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

    Good job City of Manassas! You’re batting a 1000!

  3. hardon said on 31 Aug 2010 at 8:01 pm:
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    what is the big deal as Wayne and Garth would say… SHHWIINNGGG!
    lol

  4. Dave in PWC said on 31 Aug 2010 at 8:12 pm:
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    Let the customers or lack thereof determine the business’ success. That’s only fair I think.

  5. Dave Core said on 31 Aug 2010 at 8:19 pm:
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    People need to write to City Council and show up at the next Council meeting on September 13 at 7:30 pm to speak out against this. The shop sells porn videos and other paraphernalia. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right. This is clearly a blot in Old Town and if the shop owner and building owner need to know that this is not something the City needs or wants. People can buy that stuff online.

  6. Tillie said on 31 Aug 2010 at 9:51 pm:
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    It’s just amazing how those who howl about government interfearing with private businesses, now call for City Council to shut down a legitimate, albeit “bluish”, business. Don’t frequent the store yourselves and, by all means, tell your friends who might be tempted to buy sex toys, to do it somewhere else. The place will go out of business.

    Patty - “allow a sex toy business to operate in the heart of Old Town…”

    Terrible, simply terrible! Shut it down! Before all the reenactment actors arrive. I mean, they probably would be soooooo outraged to find a store “like that” in Manassas. I mean, MANASSAS! Of course, Manassas could post some Minutemen by the entrance to scare away any customers. Cameras could also be put up and pictures taken of customers. The pics could then be put on public display and the outraged citizens of Manassas would be able to throw darts at them.

    Freedom cuts both ways.

  7. PWCOvertaxed said on 1 Sep 2010 at 4:30 am:
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    the law is the law and I think we have all used the Constitution to argue against some over reaching govt. policies…so…I agree with Greg, not much you can do that to let the market dictate the sustainability of this operation. No, its not great but this is VERY similar to the situation in Old Town Alexandria where a sex shop was established on King St, right in their historic/commercial district. It caused much hub bub (which is why the store owner put it there) and now…its just an after thought and business is not doing so well for that shop….

  8. Anonymous said on 1 Sep 2010 at 4:55 am:
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    You say let the business fail, but if you had many more unwanted and failing businesses in the town, then you would then wind up with plight. More plight causing lower rent attracting more lower class and seedy businesses to take their place. It could be the start of a downward spiral that we have all seen in different areas in PWC. Woodbridge along RT.1 is a great example of a downward spiral.

  9. MPCinsider said on 1 Sep 2010 at 7:03 am:
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    You know I got soultion to Old towns problem. Have the stop owner just move his shop to MP City Center. I bet he can get a great deal being the first shop to open there. I am also sure the City council would endores that shop.

  10. Jin said on 1 Sep 2010 at 7:06 am:
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    This is a good test of Conservative values vs Christian Conservative values. Conservative values support leaving this business alone as long as it complies with local zoning laws and letting the free market decide it it stays in business. Christian Conservative values would “shut it down” because it offends some people’s sensibilities.

    Conservative values are “bit tent” values that recognize we don’t always agree; however, we respect those with whom we disagree. Conservative values win elections. Christian Conservative values are “small tent” values that attempt to turn specific Christine Doctrine into public policy. Small principle based wins come at the expense of winning elections.

    Conservatives have a chance to take back Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012. Little tests such as this are particularly interesting to Independent voters as it gives them a window into what a Conservative Government might look like.

    I hope “we” leave this shop alone. If it generates enough customers to stay in business and our neighbors shop there, then the free market has “voted”. Let the free market decide its fate.

  11. Patty said on 1 Sep 2010 at 7:13 am:
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    Tillie,

    Here is a question for you, Do you want the freedom to do evil or the freedom to do good?

    By the way, our founding fathers were Christians. They based our government on those Christian beliefs. You can’t have a viable republic government devoid of those Chrisitan values - that is a fact.

    The road is wide and large that leads to the pit of hell.

  12. peeping tom said on 1 Sep 2010 at 7:38 am:
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    So the City spent over $300,000 on Battle Street upgrades and this is what we get? Rumor sez city staff in community development and the attorneys office and the city manager did not tell Council about this before they approved this “use”, the Counicl had to find out from angry citizens like me! Note to Council, please get some decent staff in place for all the money they are being paid!

  13. Kevin Ricks said on 1 Sep 2010 at 8:35 am:
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    There’s nothing wrong with a sexy shop being so close to home.

  14. Tillie said on 1 Sep 2010 at 8:47 am:
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    Patty

    Since when has it become evil to open a legit place of business selling goods that some people want to buy?

  15. Spellcheck said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:07 am:
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    To Anonymous: “Blight,” not “plight.”

    To Jin: “Big tent,” not “bit tent.” But I heartily agree with your points.

  16. Padre said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:13 am:
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    Why are sex toys considered sinful? Is this the sex is dirty crowd?

    As long as the shop complies with city codes there isn’t much you can do other than harass the customers and proprietor.

  17. Mad Mom said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:51 am:
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    I was told that the City pays Historic Manassas Incorporated some sum of our tax dollars for new business recruitment - did they recruit these folks?

  18. Jin said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:55 am:
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    I’m with Padre… when did sex & sex toys become sinful? I know the Catholic church doesn’t object to anything that’s part of foreplay as long as it ends in “something natural”. With all of the problems in the world, focusing on other people’s sex lives just doesn’t feel like a priority to me.

    and Spellcheck… what’s wrong with my “bit tent”? “Bit tents” deserve respect too :-)

  19. LizzyB said on 1 Sep 2010 at 10:36 am:
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    It is nice to have a place where people can debate a subject. All you guys who don’t like this “Adult” store in Old town don’t shop there. You would rather complain then to find the positive approch to resolve the issue. Positive approch to resolve the issue…DON’T SHOP AT THE STORE! The store goes out of business sits empty (for how long? who knows). One more for lease sign in yet one more window. Well that looks attractive doesn’t it now? Or we can have a business come into town just like the one over by the gun store in town. However no one says anything even though that is right next to a residential neighborhood. Way to go folks! Anyway go ahead and hammer my comment as I know most of you will. Thanks

  20. madmom said on 1 Sep 2010 at 10:45 am:
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    I see there’s a post from “Mad Mom” above. That is not the original “madmom” here on BVBL. That would be me.

  21. Not a moral issue said on 1 Sep 2010 at 11:05 am:
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    My issue is why that store in that location? We are trying to get old town as an arts and entertainment area and this does not fit the image much like a tattoo shop or used car shop would not be welcome there in my opinion, but we have city staff with lots of letters after their name that know better I guess

  22. Curious said on 1 Sep 2010 at 11:08 am:
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    is the store called the Things I Love? I heard they were moving to a new location and changing their line of goods!

  23. Laughingoutloud said on 1 Sep 2010 at 11:28 am:
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    My minister councils that sex toys are a great way to keep a marriage fresh and couples together. Supporting this sex shop is supporting family values! I just don’t understand why anyone would be against helping keep families together.

    I would like to thank the liberal minded gentleman who owns the building. Who would that be, anyway?

  24. Big Dog said on 1 Sep 2010 at 12:09 pm:
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    FYI: Just got an e-mail from Jackson Miller on this issue and he
    has called a town hall public meeting at Manassas City Hall
    on Sept. 7th at 7PM to discuss it.

    (You can Google the store’s website - KK’s Temptations Manassas.
    It ISN”T “Things I Love” - an antique and fine gift store operated
    by Joanne Wunderly who, I’ve been told, isn’t pleased with the
    new “adult store” in Old Town.)

  25. MPCinsider said on 1 Sep 2010 at 12:26 pm:
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    I still say have them move to the city center in MP. MP council will let KK move in and with lower business taxes.

  26. Tillie said on 1 Sep 2010 at 1:05 pm:
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    Big Dog

    A town hall public meeting to discuss ousting a legitimate business because some people consider it evil!

    Let freedom ring! Except in Old Manassas, of course.

  27. Anonymous said on 1 Sep 2010 at 1:18 pm:
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    Yes, please come to city center. I need this store more after I married a republican! hhhhhhaaaahahhahahaha

    [Ed note: IP address for this comment resolves to Fairfax County Public Schools. Nice to see folks sucking on the taxpayer teat and supposedly with the education of our children foremost in their minds spending their work hours commenting on blog posts about sex toys, and using taxpayer-owned equipment to do so.]

  28. Dave Core said on 1 Sep 2010 at 2:00 pm:
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    Maybe the shop fits into grittier, urban environments. Just ask yourself this question: is the local government’s action for the good of society in which it operates or not? Is it offensive to a prevailing standard of the adult community of Manassas. PWC specifies in its ordinance such businesses shall not be less than 500 feet from a place of worship. (I don’t know if the City has.) BRUUC is a couple blocks away! On another note: we have a right to protest this action (First Amendment) and a responsive local government takes that into consideration as well. Also Manassas has a definition of “obscene” in its ordinances that I think this calls into question.

  29. Ah Ha said on 1 Sep 2010 at 2:22 pm:
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    “Rumor sez city staff in community development and the attorneys office and the city manager did not tell Council about this before they approved this “use”, the Counicl had to find out from angry citizens like me! Note to Council, please get some decent staff in place for all the money they are being paid!”

    Agree 100%. Liz Via, director of economic development, is directly responsible for placing the City Council in reaction mode. She issued the occumancy permit first, then informed council. She is the same staff-member who pushed for the development across from KC’s. You know the one…it practically sits in the middle of rt 28. She has got to go. Bob Bendell, City Attorney, has got to go. This isn’t the first time that his “expert legal mind” has placed the city in the position to get sued. Larry Hughes? Toss his ass out too. He ceased to be an advocate for the city years ago.

    Although I lean toward the side that believes this business will quickly fail, I do believe there is precedent for denial of the permit/license. I remember a few years back when the city stopped Jess Psychic from opening a parlor in Manassas, due to the location she wanted to use. She’s still in that shack on 28 in Yorkshire. The proximity of the proposed sex shop to Osbourn, as well as the residential apartments above the stores, makes this type of business unsuitable for Old Town. Let them move out by MVC or Fashion Fantasy, over by the car lots and such.

  30. lilpatriot said on 1 Sep 2010 at 3:51 pm:
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    Padre said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:13 am:
    Why are sex toys considered sinful? Is this the sex is dirty crowd?

    As long as the shop complies with city codes there isn’t much you can do other than harass the customers and proprietor.

    Jin said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:55 am:

    I’m with Padre… when did sex & sex toys become sinful? I know the Catholic church doesn’t object to anything that’s part of foreplay as long as it ends in “something natural”.

    In response to Jin: Please refer us to a section of the Catechism of the Catholic Church or some other text on what the Church teaches since you “know” what the Church teaches regarding the use of such objects.

    In response to Padre: No one said sex is sinful in it’s rightful place. I know that the Catholic Church believes that sex is a gift for the purpose of procreation (not recreation) in a valid marriage between one man and one woman.

    “As long as the shop complies with city codes there isn’t much you can do other than harass the customers and proprietor.” Or maybe take the legal and political route since it sounds as though city employees failed in their duty.

  31. es_la_ley said on 1 Sep 2010 at 4:42 pm:
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    Put it down by KC’s Restaurant and the courthouses / jail.

    They’d make a mint. ;-)

  32. Disgusted said on 1 Sep 2010 at 4:46 pm:
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    Patti can either hold her nose when she goes by, or use the sidewalk on the other side of the street. Besides, her argument is invalid. I hear TJ used to get freaky with the help.

    Did the sex toy store kick out a legitimate business? No. The space was obviously available. Were there other businesses more acceptable to the church-going crowd? Probably not, or they weren’t able to swing the finances to start. The economy has been a bit weak of late. Will the business fail? Likely, since stores like that typically have weak business plans that haven’t been thought out very well. If Del. Miller does hold a town meeting that ultimately leads to some sort of knee-jerk removal of the business (assuming the business license & etc. was gained legally), the question you Manassas citizens should be asking yourselves is do you want to pay the cost of the legal case and the financial judgement to the toy store owners? Do you trust the “capable” city attorney to prosecute that one? Let a sleeping dog lie.

  33. LizzyB said on 1 Sep 2010 at 5:40 pm:
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    Ok here I am again…first off I am noticing that several of you are fast to point blame at the city employees. How do we know they did anything wrong. Isn’t retail stores allowed in downtown Manassas? Second how many of us visited the Sweet Shop Bakery when it was located there and failed. By the way I would have never known that and adult store was in the same location if it hadn’t been for all the unpaid advertising we have given it here. Let the business owner be, don’t shop there, (keep getting your toys mailed to you) and the business will go under. If we all just leave it alone it will fade away, much like Java Roo, The Sweet Shop, Centre Street Grill, several Barber Shops, The Sprint Store…need I go on. We are all so quick to judge and shout up to the sky, but what it really comes down to is this…. A property owner rented an empty space in an economy where commercial real estate isn’t moving. A property owner rented a commercial space in an area where businesses are leaving because there isn’t any business to be had. This business owner is in for a struggle with the economy let alone people that are going to harass the customers that might go in there. Bottom line, stop advertising for the business and leave it alone. It will go away.

  34. PWCOvertaxed said on 1 Sep 2010 at 6:17 pm:
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    Agree with the comment above about Conservative vs. Christian Conservative. I call my self a conservative and a Christian but I believe if this owner did the proper legal paperwork, than the GOVERNMENT should not interfere. Isnt that what we all complain about…big over reaching government? How can some of your conservatives call for it here? It seems hypocritical. No, not the best place for it…but its within their legal right. As has been stated before, it will only get business from all this free publicity the press and we have given it. City employees only did their job, carrying out the law and policies as set up by the City Council. Lets not be hypocrites here…

  35. Jin said on 1 Sep 2010 at 7:24 pm:
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    lilpatriot - My twelve years in Catholic school make me intimately familiar with the Catechism. I’m afraid it just doesn’t address sex toys. They are addressed in several Catholic writings (and are all consistent). The “short answer” is “enjoy the journey… just end naturally”. Just one source (consistent with many others)=> http://catholicwriter.wordpress.com/2006/09/13/question-is-the-usage-of-sex-toys-allowed-during-sexual-intercourse/

    Please note the line, “a mature couple should be able to make their own choices regarding the use of sex toys in their sexual relationship.”

    What was the address of this shop again? Anyone see coupons?

  36. Dave Core said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:14 pm:
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    For all you so-called libertarians out there, unless you can say that you know without a doubt that the items the porn shop will sell are NOT obscene, then you shouldn’t say you support the decision without knowing the law. I think a list of items that will be made available at the store needs to be provided to the City to be sure that they did not issue a license without considering whether the store would break obscenity laws. Check out Article VI “Offenses against morals and decency.”

    “The word “obscene,” where it appears in this division, shall mean that which, considered as a whole, has as its dominant theme or purpose an appeal to the prurient interest in sex, that is, a shameful or morbid interest in nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, excretory functions or products thereof or sadomasochistic abuse, and which goes substantially beyond customary limits of candor in description or representation of such matters and which, taken as a whole, does not have serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.”

    It is against the law to sell obscene items.

    Would you consider sex toys, lubes, pornographic DVDs, obscene? This is what the store advertised on their website before it was pulled from the Internet. (Hmm, wonder why?) I think the City needs to explore this to see if the store would be in violation of City obscenity laws.

  37. PWCOvertaxed said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:27 pm:
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    Government regulated morality…great, sounds like Stalin to me

  38. Patty said on 1 Sep 2010 at 9:43 pm:
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    So, am I to choose your morality? Can you walk on water? Can you make the blind see? Can you raise the dead? Can you raise yourself from the dead? I choose the morality of Jesus Christ.

    How many of the posters that support this are City staff? Are you trying to defend yourselves?

    I understand some of the City staff are members of BRUU. Of course BRUU shows films depicting homosexual behavior as part of their series to indoctrinate kids into that life style. Maybe the sex shop should move inside the BRUU. That would be a win win situation.

    If you need sex toys to help your marriage, you don’t have much of a marriage.

    Some interesting facts about pornography-

    pornography depicts women as no more than sex objects and thereby devaluing their human worth.

    pornography is addicting.

    pornography found on an employee’s computer is grounds for termination. That is true for both private businesses and government.

    pornography that depicts women under the age of 18 is a crime.

    pornography can lead to more serious crimes for those who need to take it to another level.

    Hear Ted Bundy in his own words:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5km7v_ted-bundy-s-last-interview_news

    So, answer the question. Do you want the freedom to do evil or the freedom to do good?

    Our founding fathers understood that if we choose to do evil we would loose our Republic. Those of you who disagree are a product of school system that has for decades deleted the Christian beliefs of our founding fathers from history books. Our founders understood that people would benefit from those values even though they may not choose Jesus Christ as their Savior and follow in that faith. They knew that man on his own has a natural tendency toward evil. That is why they set up a government with checks and balances.

    “There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.” Proverbs 14:12

  39. LizzyB said on 2 Sep 2010 at 2:20 am:
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    If everyone is going to go after this one business because it is “obscene” shouldn’t we all go after Fashion Fantasy as well this is from their home page.

    Fashion Fantasy Night and Day Erotic Attire carries the finest adult products from Mild to Wild! Sexy lingerie sizes can be found from small to 6X. Everything from leather and patent wet look, teddies and g-strings, lycra dresses, corsets and more are available.
    “So if its from the Dance Floor to the Bedroom to the Dungeon, we can Satisfy all your needs”

    This is from thier lifestyle travel page:
    Fantasy Lifestyle Travel

    Adult Disclaimer Before viewing Adult Lifestyle Travel you must agree to and be bound by the following Terms and Agreements:

    I understand that this site may contain sexually explicit materials and that I must be at least 18 years of age to view sexually explicit material.
    I UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT IS ILLEGAL TO VIEW SUCH MATERIALS IN MY AREA I SHOULD LEAVE NOW.
    I attest that I am at least 18 years of age.
    I understand that the following pages may contain descriptions and/or photos that some may find to be obscene and/or offensive.
    I understand that if I am offended by such material, or if I am under 18 years of age, I have the option not to view such material.
    Furthermore, I understand that by clicking any link on the following pages I am making the following legal statement:
    I am over 18 years of age, It is legal for me to view these materials,
    I want to view a list of potentially explicit terms, images and it is legal for me to view potentially explicit terms, images in my community, state, nation or province.
    If I proceed and follow the link below I assume full responsibility for my actions.

    I have read and agree with all the above statements.

    Shouldn’t we be fair and go after all the stores like this in the city? Just a thought!

  40. FormerMCPD said on 2 Sep 2010 at 5:48 am:
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    Wow… if you supposed righteous folks want to clean up old town, start with the bar and the roach motel it is connected too.

    There are actual illegal activities going on in the old town inn… the heroin addicts and hookers love to hang out there.

    BTW… I wonder how many of you people against this idea will go in there and shop under disguise.

  41. Patty said on 2 Sep 2010 at 7:40 am:
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    “FormerMCPD said on 2 Sep 2010 at 5:48 am: Flag comment

    Wow… if you supposed righteous folks want to clean up old town, start with the bar and the roach motel it is connected too.

    There are actual illegal activities going on in the old town inn… the heroin addicts and hookers love to hang out there.

    BTW… I wonder how many of you people against this idea will go in there and shop under disguise.”

    If you were a police officer why didn’t you do something about it? Were you a particpant? You seem to have knowledge about it. That’s the problem. We have some police officers that don’t enforce the law. FormerMCPD, you’re pointing the finger at yourself.

  42. MadDad said on 2 Sep 2010 at 8:04 am:
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    “If everyone is going to go after this one business because it is “obscene” shouldn’t we all go after Fashion Fantasy as well this is from their home page.”

    LizzyB, are you THAT dense? It’s as much about the LOCATION of the sex shop, as it is about the NATURE of the business. Fashion Fantasy and MVC are outside of Old Town. They are not LOCATED smack in the middle of an area frequented by CHILDREN. They are not a block away from a SCHOOL, or a CHURCH. The CITIZENS of Manassas, and their elected leaders who oppose this, want our city to be a place where families want to live and visit. This smut-shop is not in keeping with the character of the district.

    Liberals like you try to force “tolerance” down the throats of those who hold family values in high esteem. It’s people like you who fight efforts to limit the harm this society perpetuates on families. It’s people like you who scream “censorship” and carp about “free speech”, yet you don’t realize it is businesses like these that teach young men to objectify women, sexualize young girls at an early age…or maybe you do. YOU are part and parcel of the reason why there is rampant “sexting” in schools. YOU are contributing to the problem, instead to being part of the solution. Now why don’t you do everyone a favor and go watch Jersey Shore. I for one won’t tolerate any more of this.

  43. Paul said on 2 Sep 2010 at 9:04 am:
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    What’s next for old town? Another abortion clinic?

  44. How About That? said on 2 Sep 2010 at 11:10 am:
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    I received an email from Jackson Miller yesterday saying he is going to fight the sex shop in Oldtown Manassas. My hat’s off to him for steeping up to the plate.

    However, this shop is just small potatoes compared to the porn distribution center in the Brentsville District on Wellington Road. Google – LGI Digital Manassas – and see what appears. Just don’t have your kids in the room when you do it.

    Neither Wally Covington nor Corey Stewart has said a peep about this facility. Both seem content to have a local economy developing on the basis of unrestrained, tax negative residential development, asphalt plants next door to the Innovation Business Park, and global distribution of pornography and sex toys.

    Am I the only one who hopes Republicans can find better candidates for the BOCS election next year?

  45. laissez-faire said on 2 Sep 2010 at 1:12 pm:
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    I don’t want a sex shop in Old Town but I don’t want the government doing anything about it after the fact unless the business is doing something unlawful. I especially do not want our elected officials to use their official status as a bully pulpit to stir up citizen action against a private business.

    I won’t shop there and I am inclined to give the shop owner a cold shoulder. It’s also fine with me if private citizens chose to protest there. But I am against elected government officials stirring the pot against any lawfully-operating private business.

    I do not oppose appropriate zoning that is part of a comprehensive plan for the future, but humbug an any attempts by any government official seeking to screw around with a lawfully permitted and operating business.

  46. VA_Magoo said on 2 Sep 2010 at 1:38 pm:
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    First, and foremost, I support free enterprise and small business.

    In the words of the President, “Yes, they have the legal right to build there, but I question the wisdom.”

    I only hope that the store will have a grand closing sale in the near future. I know that I have no business to conduct with them.
    Since I hardly ever visit downtown Manassas, it will not effect me personally.

    I do hope that the store does not attract an unruly crowd that will ultimately have a negative effect on its neighbors.

  47. PWCOvertaxed said on 2 Sep 2010 at 8:20 pm:
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    Well said laissez-faire!

  48. Anonymous said on 2 Sep 2010 at 9:08 pm:
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    Not that I know anything at all about the type of merchandise being sold, but my guess is that this sort of thing is more often purchased off the internet and not in ye local village shops.

  49. Big Dog said on 3 Sep 2010 at 7:56 am:
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    FYI: NBC-4 has a story of their website that includes interviews with
    local citizens, Delegate Miller and the store’s owner.

  50. MPResident said on 3 Sep 2010 at 2:20 pm:
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    A few items, this business did not need an occupancy permit. The building has an existing occupancy permit and state code does not require every business to get a new occupancy permit. The City has a local ordinance that requires a new business to obtain zoning certification that it meets zoning requirements, which this business does. The B3 zone permits mercantile uses by right. Liz Via and any othe City employee had absolutely no choice to issue the permit or risk having the City sued. My God people, it is a legitimate business that will fail or succede based on the community’s support. The MVC on Mathis Avenue has been in that location for years and pays a good amount of taxes to the City. PWCOvertxed, not sure where you got your information about the store in Alexandria, but the owners are currently in negotiations to buy the building. You should go by on a weekend night and look at the business! Ah Ha, Liz Via does not approve developments in the City. Your City Council approved the new zoning district (B3.5 I believe) this devlopment was constructed under and approved the site plan it was built under. You should know what you are talking about before throwing people under the bus. I like the comment about conservatives and christian conservatives. The poster is exctly correct. Because it is the christian conservatives that will stop the conservatives from taking this country back. Greg, real nice of you to call out a poster when you don’t know the facs of the person posting from a fairfax school IP address. This person could be on break, not even on the clock, just setting up their room or any other reasons that are not against school policies. Most local governments have no policies prohibiting getting on the internet as long as the site is not pornograhic and it is not done during work hours. I for one would love to have the business in the new MP city center, then I wouldn’t have to drive as far to take a look at the wares in the place! I for one have supported Delegate Miller on every vote, even had a sign in my yard, but I will have to rethink my position based on his meting over this issue which is absolutely useless because it appears the new business owner has done everything legally as far as I can see.

  51. Just Observin' said on 3 Sep 2010 at 5:20 pm:
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    I ponder the following in terms of stores in Old Town Manassas -

    If someone opened a store catering to supplies and equipment for Civil War reenactors….and ONLY hung the Confederate Battle Flag out front….the “Stars and Bars”…would there be an uproar over this business?

    Ohhh that cursed flag…the symbol of slavery…yadda yadda yadda (never did buy into all that arguement about it.

    Would there be an uproar?

  52. Patty said on 3 Sep 2010 at 5:51 pm:
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    MPResident,

    I’m sure Delegate Miller in his capacity as a police officer has seen many crimes associated with pornography. Have you heard of Ted Bundy?

    Do you have a pornography addiction? Then you and Ted Bundy have something in common. Ted Bundy in his own words: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5km7v_ted-bundy-s-last-interview_news

    You want to lose the Christian Conservatives? Go ahead and Obama will easily win a second term.

    Keep your trash to yourself. You look at women as objects and not valuable human beings. Keep it up and you’ll lose the women vote too!

  53. MPResident said on 3 Sep 2010 at 6:33 pm:
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    Patty, Pleeese, go home and take care of your husband. It is a harmless business that will close if it doesn’t meet community standards. The City tried years ago to shut the MVC on Mathis Avenue and failed there also. I love to watch Manassas waste their taxpayers money. Kinda reminds me of the Park. I have never cheated on my wife, killed anyone, promoted an/or watched child pornography or committed any other crime.

  54. Padre said on 3 Sep 2010 at 7:33 pm:
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    That is a particularly vicious attack on president that is warrantless and undeserved. An apology is in order. What a poor example of Christian behavior. Those words were just mean.

    Mpresident, thanks for representing real conservatives.

  55. Patty said on 3 Sep 2010 at 9:20 pm:
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    I see the social LIBERALS have hijacked this thread.

    I still think they should put the porn shop inside the BRUU. They have a lot in common.

    BR and JR (the “family values” candidate..ha ha ha) could sell tickets.

  56. Ohno said on 4 Sep 2010 at 7:52 am:
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    If Miller is going to jump on this train I will vote for Rishell next time.

  57. Big Dog said on 4 Sep 2010 at 9:17 am:
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    Patty,
    Take a moment and Google:
    1) BRUU
    2) Famous American Unitarians
    (Includes one Republican President - the only
    serving President to give a speech in Manassas)

    While UU’s aren’t everyone’s cup of tea 100%, including mine,
    they don’t deserve to be demonized. They were here
    at the founding of the Republic (Thomas Jefferson and
    John Q. Adams) and became a strong force attacking
    slavery and, later, segregation.

    BRUU owns the building next door to them - and
    currently rents it to a coffee shop. Not sure
    a group that also has a history of supporting equality
    and respect for women’s rights would lease to an
    “adult store”.

    (The GOP President? Taft - who spoke before
    a Peace Jubilee, fifty years after the War Between
    the States, on the grounds of the PWC Courthouse).

  58. Patty said on 4 Sep 2010 at 10:56 am:
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    BRUU wants to dismantle the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable and healthy sexual orientation. They want to overturn the marriage amendment. On environmental issues UUs see humans as the enemy. They are in support of the Cap and Trade legislation. They also believe in abortion on demand.

    I suppose in your eyes those are true family values?

    I’ve posted this before. I guess it is time for a short refresher course:

    BRUU and UUs mission statements and beliefs in their own words:

    Political and social activism:

    Mission
    BRUU has a mission to ourselves, our community, and our natural world.
    BRUU Mission Statement
    Bull Run Unitarian Universalists (BRUU) exists to nurture ourselves, our community, and our natural world in the pursuit of spiritual and intellectual growth. We give expression to our mission through celebrating our diversity and giving of our talents and resources with justice, equity and compassion. We work toward our goals through an open democratic process, respecting the views of each individual and seeking to protect the interdependent web of life.
    Welcoming Congregation
    Bull Run Unitarian Universalists (BRUU) is a Welcoming Congregation which celebrates and supports the lives, the relationships, and the individual and group contributions of its lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender members and friends. We affirm and promote their full participation in the life of the congregation and community. We pledge our congregation’s commitment to continue dismantling the belief that heterosexuality is the only normal, acceptable, and healthy sexual orientation.
    Green Sanctuary
    Green Sanctuary is a Unitarian Universalist program to build awareness of environmental issues in order to promote personal lifestyle changes and community action, particularly toward rectifying environmental injustice. Green Sanctuary also strives to connect spiritual practice and environmental consciousness. We are the 20th certified Green Sanctuary in the nation.
    http://www.bruu.org/index.php?page=belief

    How active are UUs on social issues?
    While it’s true that those most vulnerable to injustice in our society — the poor and the minorities — are not found in great numbers in the our ranks, many individual UUs are at the forefront of social justice issues. In addition, most churches regularly give their institutional support to many social justice causes.
    Although we could hardly be considered a religion of the oppressed, we cannot be fairly criticized as George Templeton Strong said of many 19th century Unitarians, most of them members of New England’s privileged class: “They are sensible, plausible, candid, subtle and original in discussing any social evil or abuse. But somehow they don’t get at it!”
    Today, we do get at it.

    Views on same sex marriage:

    http://www.uua.org/visitors/uuperspectives/59581.shtml

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8omkCTvQA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx33C9gnhhk&feature=related

    Views on abortion:

    http://www.uua.org/pressroom/pressreleases/22718.shtml

    http://www.uunashua.org/100quest.shtml

    What is the church’s view on abortion?
    “As an institution, we are strongly pro-choice, as are most individual UUs.”

    Views on the environment:
    http://www.uua.org/documents/aw/090417_board_report.pdf

    http://www.uua.org/searchoursite.shtml?cx=007175923080295419477%3Acbowmcgn4uu&cof=FORID%3A11&q=Cap+and+Trade&sa=Search#1279

    http://www.uua.org/visitors/uuperspectives/59580.shtml

    excerpt from:
    http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/6677.shtml

    “We don’t believe that humanity has the right or moral authority to exploit the environment or other life forms with whom we share this planet.”

    http://www.uua.org/visitors/justicediversity/7015.shtml

  59. old timer said on 4 Sep 2010 at 11:16 am:
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    I think the city council, staff, or whomever is responsible, is stupid to let this trash in old town.

    The unitarian church is more interested in having gay proms for confused young teens and helping illegals stay around to commit crimes so their support for this cause fits right in.

    I am disappointed, once again, in my city.

  60. mpresident said on 4 Sep 2010 at 3:50 pm:
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    Old timer, it is no ones fault this business has come to old town. The business is a mercantile/retail business which is a use by right. The only way to stop a business like this would be to have this use group be required to get a special use permit, which would all but stop businesses from locating in old town as the fees and time it takes to get such a permit would not be worth the trouble. Please stop blaming City staff, Council or anyone, the business has a right to be there weather you, me or anyone else wants it there. And as the old saying goes, one man’s trash is anther man’s treasure ;-)

  61. US DEPT OF JUSTICE SAYS said on 5 Sep 2010 at 1:40 pm:
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    The community has every right to say how they feel on this issue and demand that obscene materials not be for sale in the store, make no doubt that this shop on its website has/had all kinds of obscene dvd titles for sale which I have a copy of and will share on Tuesday . . . this lady is nothing but a cheap pronographer who makes big money by selling filthy dvds and other items that are degrading to woman (and men), where is the feminist outrage over this?

    FROM DOJ:

    The right of ordinary citizens - and of the press - to speak out and express their views is one of the greatest strengths of our Country, but the Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment does not protect obscene materials and federal law makes it a felony to use the streams of commerce for trafficking in obscenity. The U.S. Supreme Court has stated, “This much has been categorically decided by the Court, that obscene material is unprotected by the First Amendment. Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 23 (1973). Enforcement is necessary in order to protect citizens from unlawful exposure to obscene materials. The welfare of America’s children and families demands the vigorous enforcement of obscenity statutes, as traffickers in illegal adult obscenity employ advancements in technology and marketing to extend their unlawful and harmful influence.

    The Task Force is drawing upon its expertise to pursue innovative solutions to the threat posed by those who violate obscenity laws and is mounting a determined effort to coordinate resources at all levels of government to give people the protection the laws are intended to provide.”

    “The U.S. Supreme Court established the test that judges and juries use to determine whether material is obscene. The test was developed in three major cases: Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 24-25 (1973); Smith v. United States, 431 U.S. 291, 300-02, 309 (1977); and Pope v. Illinois, 481 U.S. 497, 500-01 (1987). The resulting three-pronged test to adjudicate obscenity is as follows:

    Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest (i.e., an erotic, lascivious, abnormal, unhealthy, degrading, shameful, or morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion); and

    Whether the average person, applying contemporary adult community standards, would find that the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct (i.e., ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, masturbation, excretory functions, lewd exhibition of the genitals, or sado-masochistic sexual abuse); and

    Whether a reasonable person would find that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

    Any material meeting this definition may be found to violate the laws of the United States and anyone convicted of distributing such material may be prosecuted and punished by fines and a term of imprisonment.”

  62. JWT said on 5 Sep 2010 at 2:41 pm:
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    Is this part of Manassas Next?

  63. First Time Poster said on 5 Sep 2010 at 2:57 pm:
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    It takes courage as an elected official to take on porn or abortion or illegal immigration. Most in both political parties are sacred of these hot button issues and they run and hide behind their attorneys. I support Delegate Miller and Councilman Aveni and their efforts to deal with these issues and not be “status quo”.

  64. MPResident said on 5 Sep 2010 at 6:39 pm:
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    US DOJ, are you planning on shopping in this store? if not, then why do you care. Why should you and every other far right christian conservative get to choose what I can buy and can’t buy in a legally operating business? If what this lady is selling were against the community standards, then the stores on Mathis Avenue and Route 28 would have been closed years ago. In fact while all the other movie rental businesses are closing, these businesses are prospering.You would have a hard sell proving indecency, just check how much they pay in taxes to the City. I plan on visiting her store and buying something just to spite the nay sayers on here. Keep up all the protests, all you are doing is giving her free advertising. I for one love it. And for the record, I voted for Delegate Miller in every election and voted Republican for every position for the past 20 years. I am far from a bleeding heart liberal.

  65. Ya Know? said on 6 Sep 2010 at 7:50 pm:
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    The Unitarians were a completely different bunch than the Universalists, with whom they merged. The UU’s of today bear little resemblance to the Unitarian church of our founders.

  66. Brian Leeper said on 7 Sep 2010 at 3:04 pm:
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    “I for one would love to have the business in the new MP city center, then I wouldn’t have to drive as far to take a look at the wares in the place!”

    I don’t believe that this business could locate in the MP city center.

    City Center is, according to the zoning map I looked at, located in zone MU, mixed-use.

    According to the Code of Manassas Park, for the MU zone the following is permitted:

    (2) All commercial uses permitted in the B-1 zone district plus the following: amusement places (except satellite wagering facilities) or theaters, banks, loan and credit offices, hotels, bed and breakfasts, nightclubs and restaurants providing live entertainment, automotive service stations and/or maintenance facilities (only if all garage doors do not face a public street), and restaurants with drive-through facilities.

    So we must look at what commercial use is permitted in B-1:

    (17) Stores or shops for the conduct of retail business, including the sale of accessories, antiques, appliances, beverages, carpets, clothing, drugs, fabrics, food, furniture, garden supplies, groceries, hardware, hobby supplies, office supplies, paint, sporting goods, stationery, and similar stores, but not including adult book stores or adult mini motion picture theatres, or massage parlors. No shop may occupy more than eight thousand (8,000) square feet of floor area.

    The only way I see this being permitted in MP city center is if this type of business does not fit the definition of an “adult book store” or “adult mini motion picture theatre”, which are uses specifically noted above as not being included in the permitted uses for B-1, and therefore not included for the permitted uses of MU.

  67. Brian Leeper said on 7 Sep 2010 at 3:05 pm:
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    You may, of course, check this out for yourself at:

    http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=11198&sid=46

  68. Casanova Frankenstein said on 7 Sep 2010 at 3:46 pm:
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    I can see it now. Oh, the names of the toys they could come up with using variations of “Bull Run” and “Manassas.”

    “Hey, check out the new ‘Prince William’ model that we just got in. It has 5 speeds!”

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