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	<title>Comments on: Manassas Settles On A Study</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: drafting a forward-looking ordinance</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97564</link>
		<dc:creator>drafting a forward-looking ordinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97564</guid>
		<description>The line of cases, including Supreme Court precent, upholding forward-looking sex-related ordinances need several elements to survive court review. Among those elements: (1) they are required to be unrelated to the supression of free expression; (2) they need to focus on "negative secondary effects" such as lowering property values, saftey, etc. As to the negative secondary effects, the government entity finding such effects needs to do so based on empirical studies (i.e. evidence), not just their own opinion or the opinion of local citizens. This is where the courts are.

Also, many of the ordinances enacted elsewhere are more focused on nude dancing clubs, peep shows, etc. Those that also look at DVDs and sex-related devices typically look at whether these items are a primary focus of the business based on sales, counter space, etc.

I'm not arguing for anything here, I'm just noting for y'all's interest how these matters appear to be approached elsewhere and a few elements (but not all of the elements) that courts have looked at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line of cases, including Supreme Court precent, upholding forward-looking sex-related ordinances need several elements to survive court review. Among those elements: (1) they are required to be unrelated to the supression of free expression; (2) they need to focus on &#8220;negative secondary effects&#8221; such as lowering property values, saftey, etc. As to the negative secondary effects, the government entity finding such effects needs to do so based on empirical studies (i.e. evidence), not just their own opinion or the opinion of local citizens. This is where the courts are.</p>
<p>Also, many of the ordinances enacted elsewhere are more focused on nude dancing clubs, peep shows, etc. Those that also look at DVDs and sex-related devices typically look at whether these items are a primary focus of the business based on sales, counter space, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing for anything here, I&#8217;m just noting for y&#8217;all&#8217;s interest how these matters appear to be approached elsewhere and a few elements (but not all of the elements) that courts have looked at.</p>
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		<title>By: MPResident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97549</link>
		<dc:creator>MPResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97549</guid>
		<description>Mary and Doug, while I respect your positions on porn shops and abortion and other religious right issues, I use that term not in a derogatory way, both of these types of businesses/facilities are legal under the law of the land.  I guess I just don't understand what you expect a bunch of local polititions to do about a legally operating abortion clinic or a porn/upscale lingere (sic) shop in Manassas.  Now, I agree, they could have chosen to take a stand against the porn/lingere (sic) a long time ago, but they are taking what appears a very proactive approach at this time and trying not to get the City sued as they did in the overcrowding issue.  Please, this is not meant to be a negative post to you two, but I am just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary and Doug, while I respect your positions on porn shops and abortion and other religious right issues, I use that term not in a derogatory way, both of these types of businesses/facilities are legal under the law of the land.  I guess I just don&#8217;t understand what you expect a bunch of local polititions to do about a legally operating abortion clinic or a porn/upscale lingere (sic) shop in Manassas.  Now, I agree, they could have chosen to take a stand against the porn/lingere (sic) a long time ago, but they are taking what appears a very proactive approach at this time and trying not to get the City sued as they did in the overcrowding issue.  Please, this is not meant to be a negative post to you two, but I am just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97546</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97546</guid>
		<description>actually I disagree with you Rich, I think we stopped being well represented years ago by someone who frequently sleeps up on the dias, mumbles and stumbles through and doesn't seem to really want to take a stand on issues other than to say - we will look into it - Doug I am with you brother - we need to call folks out and stop all this "play nice", what has that gotten us -porn shops and abortion clinics! We the people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually I disagree with you Rich, I think we stopped being well represented years ago by someone who frequently sleeps up on the dias, mumbles and stumbles through and doesn&#8217;t seem to really want to take a stand on issues other than to say - we will look into it - Doug I am with you brother - we need to call folks out and stop all this &#8220;play nice&#8221;, what has that gotten us -porn shops and abortion clinics! We the people!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97533</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97533</guid>
		<description>Doug,

I can't stand by and watch this.

Please stop showing off and baiting. Just about everyone would agree that Randolph is an exceedingly decent man who has represented us pretty darned well for decades. No, I don't agree with him on everything (heck, I don't agree with anyone about everything), but you really should back off a bit here. Your attempt at cross exam is unbecoming. Be a gentleman.

Anyone who puts themselves out there publicly for decades, for us, deserves more respect than you are giving him, even if you disagree with him. I know you feel strongly. You've made your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand by and watch this.</p>
<p>Please stop showing off and baiting. Just about everyone would agree that Randolph is an exceedingly decent man who has represented us pretty darned well for decades. No, I don&#8217;t agree with him on everything (heck, I don&#8217;t agree with anyone about everything), but you really should back off a bit here. Your attempt at cross exam is unbecoming. Be a gentleman.</p>
<p>Anyone who puts themselves out there publicly for decades, for us, deserves more respect than you are giving him, even if you disagree with him. I know you feel strongly. You&#8217;ve made your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97529</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97529</guid>
		<description>Well thank you Mr. Randolph for the extended excerpts from what I'm sure will be a fascinating multi-volume autobiography. What pseudonym will you be using?

The fact that you failed to anticipate that not every citizen signing on to one of the many local blogs would have been privy to, or present at, that grand moment when you announced your “nom de blog” or missed what I'm sure were unforgettable moments in "Big Dog" political lore, speaks to a politician who likes to listen more to himself than to his constituents, and explains a little further why Manassas didn't have a local ordinance in place to block a store like K&#38;K similiar to other local jursidictions. 

If you could have foregone the condescending tone at the start of our little tête à tête and simply extended to me, your constituent, the coutesy of introducing yourself and sticking to the point of the thread, maybe, we could have spared the other readers this little tangent. I think some wise old Blogger once said, maybe it was Ben Franklin, a tangent is for a politician what an 'excuse me, sir' is for a pick-pocket.

BTW, to get back on point - Did the staff ever suggest to you in all your years on City Council the need to draft ordinances to prevent the opening of adult outlets/bookstores in Old Town? A simple yes, or no, is all this constituent is asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thank you Mr. Randolph for the extended excerpts from what I&#8217;m sure will be a fascinating multi-volume autobiography. What pseudonym will you be using?</p>
<p>The fact that you failed to anticipate that not every citizen signing on to one of the many local blogs would have been privy to, or present at, that grand moment when you announced your “nom de blog” or missed what I&#8217;m sure were unforgettable moments in &#8220;Big Dog&#8221; political lore, speaks to a politician who likes to listen more to himself than to his constituents, and explains a little further why Manassas didn&#8217;t have a local ordinance in place to block a store like K&amp;K similiar to other local jursidictions. </p>
<p>If you could have foregone the condescending tone at the start of our little tête à tête and simply extended to me, your constituent, the coutesy of introducing yourself and sticking to the point of the thread, maybe, we could have spared the other readers this little tangent. I think some wise old Blogger once said, maybe it was Ben Franklin, a tangent is for a politician what an &#8216;excuse me, sir&#8217; is for a pick-pocket.</p>
<p>BTW, to get back on point - Did the staff ever suggest to you in all your years on City Council the need to draft ordinances to prevent the opening of adult outlets/bookstores in Old Town? A simple yes, or no, is all this constituent is asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Randolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97523</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97523</guid>
		<description>Oh, and Mr. Brown, I welcome  you to our citizen comment time.

 (Council's regular meetings are normally held the 2nd and 4th Monday 
 of each month and start at 5:30PM  with citizen's comments at a time
 certain of 7:30PM.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Mr. Brown, I welcome  you to our citizen comment time.</p>
<p> (Council&#8217;s regular meetings are normally held the 2nd and 4th Monday<br />
 of each month and start at 5:30PM  with citizen&#8217;s comments at a time<br />
 certain of 7:30PM.)</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97521</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97521</guid>
		<description>Mr. Brown,
        Please note:
        - The practice of using a pseudonym has a long history -
           Benjamin Franklin, for example, used "Poor Richard".
          As a fairly late comer to the blogs, I was told I needed one
          to post,  so my old basketball nickname became my
          "nom de blog" which, for good or bad, I promptly
          shared with everyone.  Hardly a secret.  I've use
          my actual name on Andy's blog because that is the
          custom there, and have used it on occasion here -
          as when Janette Rishell sent out an attack campaign
          mailer blasting Jackson Miller for a council vote
          I know he clearly didn't make.
        
       - While winning six elections as an Independent,
          being the only non-Republican on the Manassas
         Council for the past 16 years,  and serving for
         over twenty years, I've, of course, have had 
         my share of critics, but they have mostly been fair,
         reasonable and civil.   We can disagree without
         being disagreeable.   And, Mr. Brown, every citizen
         has an opportunity to run for office, including you.
         

       - My experience is that rushing into "solving" an issue
         without knowing all the facts and  our legal status
         often leads to far more problems than it resolves.
         City officials have a much higher standard to meet
          than most blog posters.   
         (KK's will be addressed,  even if not as quickly
         as some might like).
   

      - The  Machinery and Tools Tax is a legimate issue and
         needs to be understand and discussed by our community.
        While supporting Delegate Miller in general,  I question his
        stand on this bill.
                 - Why does the Commonwealth want to eliminate
                   a local tax that could be lowered or eliminated
                   by local government if they thought it was in the
                   best interest of their jurisdiction?
                 - How would Manassas City fill the 5M hole in its
                   2011-12 budget?  Major cuts in staff and budgets
                   have already been made.

     - Hope everyone enjoyed a great weekend in Old Town Manassas.
       All the events had record crowds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Brown,<br />
        Please note:<br />
        - The practice of using a pseudonym has a long history -<br />
           Benjamin Franklin, for example, used &#8220;Poor Richard&#8221;.<br />
          As a fairly late comer to the blogs, I was told I needed one<br />
          to post,  so my old basketball nickname became my<br />
          &#8220;nom de blog&#8221; which, for good or bad, I promptly<br />
          shared with everyone.  Hardly a secret.  I&#8217;ve use<br />
          my actual name on Andy&#8217;s blog because that is the<br />
          custom there, and have used it on occasion here -<br />
          as when Janette Rishell sent out an attack campaign<br />
          mailer blasting Jackson Miller for a council vote<br />
          I know he clearly didn&#8217;t make.</p>
<p>       - While winning six elections as an Independent,<br />
          being the only non-Republican on the Manassas<br />
         Council for the past 16 years,  and serving for<br />
         over twenty years, I&#8217;ve, of course, have had<br />
         my share of critics, but they have mostly been fair,<br />
         reasonable and civil.   We can disagree without<br />
         being disagreeable.   And, Mr. Brown, every citizen<br />
         has an opportunity to run for office, including you.</p>
<p>       - My experience is that rushing into &#8220;solving&#8221; an issue<br />
         without knowing all the facts and  our legal status<br />
         often leads to far more problems than it resolves.<br />
         City officials have a much higher standard to meet<br />
          than most blog posters.<br />
         (KK&#8217;s will be addressed,  even if not as quickly<br />
         as some might like).</p>
<p>      - The  Machinery and Tools Tax is a legimate issue and<br />
         needs to be understand and discussed by our community.<br />
        While supporting Delegate Miller in general,  I question his<br />
        stand on this bill.<br />
                 - Why does the Commonwealth want to eliminate<br />
                   a local tax that could be lowered or eliminated<br />
                   by local government if they thought it was in the<br />
                   best interest of their jurisdiction?<br />
                 - How would Manassas City fill the 5M hole in its<br />
                   2011-12 budget?  Major cuts in staff and budgets<br />
                   have already been made.</p>
<p>     - Hope everyone enjoyed a great weekend in Old Town Manassas.<br />
       All the events had record crowds.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97512</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97512</guid>
		<description>LOST ONE BIG DOG

Last seen running from this thread after questions concerning his role in latest city screw up.

If found please contact City Council. He is scheduled to speak tonight at Council meeting on the topic of the ethics of politicians with multiple identities online. He will  be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd? 4th? 5th? .....speaker in what promises to be yet another entertaining evening in Old Town tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOST ONE BIG DOG</p>
<p>Last seen running from this thread after questions concerning his role in latest city screw up.</p>
<p>If found please contact City Council. He is scheduled to speak tonight at Council meeting on the topic of the ethics of politicians with multiple identities online. He will  be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd? 4th? 5th? &#8230;..speaker in what promises to be yet another entertaining evening in Old Town tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: legal2</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97482</link>
		<dc:creator>legal2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97482</guid>
		<description>MPR, sorry that i apparently struck a nerve! No matter; the location for k7k seems to be the kiss of death for businesses that venture there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPR, sorry that i apparently struck a nerve! No matter; the location for k7k seems to be the kiss of death for businesses that venture there.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97468</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97468</guid>
		<description>Manassas now has four porno shops and one abortion clinic, makes me miss Jess the Psyhic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manassas now has four porno shops and one abortion clinic, makes me miss Jess the Psyhic!</p>
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		<title>By: focus</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97464</link>
		<dc:creator>focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97464</guid>
		<description>As noted somewhere earlier, it's not like anyone saw this coming. Old Town has not been filled with undesirable businesses. Thus council has up to know focused its attention on matters that appeared to demand greater attention. Absent an earlier problem we probably would have jumped on the council for wasting money on an unnecessary government imposed command and control solution in search of a problem. But now things are different. Now the citizens are asking for a government solution, so the government is now looking for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted somewhere earlier, it&#8217;s not like anyone saw this coming. Old Town has not been filled with undesirable businesses. Thus council has up to know focused its attention on matters that appeared to demand greater attention. Absent an earlier problem we probably would have jumped on the council for wasting money on an unnecessary government imposed command and control solution in search of a problem. But now things are different. Now the citizens are asking for a government solution, so the government is now looking for one.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97461</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 05:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97461</guid>
		<description>Mr. Brown to you, Mr. Randolph, if that is who you are? You still haven't shown the courtesy or the courage to sign your own name.  BTW, I suggest you inform yourself as to the difference between "rant" and ridicule.

Oh yes, if you are Mr. Randolph, were you informed by city staff years ago about the need to get zoning ordinances in order to prevent such a store opening in Old Town? And if so, did you ever raise it with any of the other current council members? And if not, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Brown to you, Mr. Randolph, if that is who you are? You still haven&#8217;t shown the courtesy or the courage to sign your own name.  BTW, I suggest you inform yourself as to the difference between &#8220;rant&#8221; and ridicule.</p>
<p>Oh yes, if you are Mr. Randolph, were you informed by city staff years ago about the need to get zoning ordinances in order to prevent such a store opening in Old Town? And if so, did you ever raise it with any of the other current council members? And if not, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97458</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97458</guid>
		<description>DB,  Suggest a reading of the most recent postings on Andy Harrover's
  blog "My Side of the Fence".  If you are going to rant, at least
  try to have a more informed rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB,  Suggest a reading of the most recent postings on Andy Harrover&#8217;s<br />
  blog &#8220;My Side of the Fence&#8221;.  If you are going to rant, at least<br />
  try to have a more informed rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97452</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97452</guid>
		<description>@Let's Do Both

The issue was the opening up of K&#38;K , the why it happened and what to do about it. The attempt to change the focus of the thread and poo poo the senior management's role in the screw up was Big Dog's doo doo. 

So much for "Let's Do Both.'"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Let&#8217;s Do Both</p>
<p>The issue was the opening up of K&amp;K , the why it happened and what to do about it. The attempt to change the focus of the thread and poo poo the senior management&#8217;s role in the screw up was Big Dog&#8217;s doo doo. </p>
<p>So much for &#8220;Let&#8217;s Do Both.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lets do both</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97450</link>
		<dc:creator>Lets do both</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97450</guid>
		<description>Please let's focus on the issues. The multi-million $ M&#38;T situation is much bigger than whether Steve is BD. Whether Steve is BD is a distraction. You may dislike Steve (or not dislike Steve), but it is irrelevant to the damage that can be cause by the the M&#38;T. Focus on the mission. Steve is not the mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please let&#8217;s focus on the issues. The multi-million $ M&amp;T situation is much bigger than whether Steve is BD. Whether Steve is BD is a distraction. You may dislike Steve (or not dislike Steve), but it is irrelevant to the damage that can be cause by the the M&amp;T. Focus on the mission. Steve is not the mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97449</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97449</guid>
		<description>Anonymous,

Everyone? Nor does everyone have the time or the inclination to concern themselves with or remember the endearing nicknames of city councilmen.

He should have identified himself when addressing issues that are immediately in front of the council. The folksy, we're all friends, atitude, is no doubt part of the reason why blantant incompetence is so vigourously defended by Mr. Randolph.

He's the one then who would have been on the council when the staff did show the foresight to bring the zoning issue to the council's attention. Good to know. Well Big Doggy you've been tagged by Manassas 'insiders' as a major, pivotal player in this latest city screw-up? You wouldn't be running to Ms Via's defense out of a sense of guilt, would ya? 

Maybe I should ammend my previous draft petition with a re-call petition for one Big Dog councilman? It wouldn't be fair to single out the other 3 individual's without giving you equal credit for the new business your oversight has brought to Old Town.

It's unfortunate that the Big Dog finds sarcasm distasteful, but I find subterfuge and misdirection by elected officials in public discussions distasteful. Old Manassas and Old Town just ain't what it use to be, hey Mr Randolph. Thanks.</description>
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<p>Everyone? Nor does everyone have the time or the inclination to concern themselves with or remember the endearing nicknames of city councilmen.</p>
<p>He should have identified himself when addressing issues that are immediately in front of the council. The folksy, we&#8217;re all friends, atitude, is no doubt part of the reason why blantant incompetence is so vigourously defended by Mr. Randolph.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the one then who would have been on the council when the staff did show the foresight to bring the zoning issue to the council&#8217;s attention. Good to know. Well Big Doggy you&#8217;ve been tagged by Manassas &#8216;insiders&#8217; as a major, pivotal player in this latest city screw-up? You wouldn&#8217;t be running to Ms Via&#8217;s defense out of a sense of guilt, would ya? </p>
<p>Maybe I should ammend my previous draft petition with a re-call petition for one Big Dog councilman? It wouldn&#8217;t be fair to single out the other 3 individual&#8217;s without giving you equal credit for the new business your oversight has brought to Old Town.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that the Big Dog finds sarcasm distasteful, but I find subterfuge and misdirection by elected officials in public discussions distasteful. Old Manassas and Old Town just ain&#8217;t what it use to be, hey Mr Randolph. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97448</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97448</guid>
		<description>Everyone knows that Big Dog has always been Steve Randolph - the longest serving member of the Manassas City Council. He goes by Poor Richard on Moonhowlings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone knows that Big Dog has always been Steve Randolph - the longest serving member of the Manassas City Council. He goes by Poor Richard on Moonhowlings</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97445</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97445</guid>
		<description>Well, if BD, is Mr Randolf, then I not only resent his attempt to co-mingle the two issues of K&#38;K and M&#38;T on this thread, I find it dishonorable and cowardly. And I suggest that a public servant, who is an elected representative , take part openly and in full view of his constituents, rather than hiding behind some cutsie moniker. If you have revealed yourself before on this site, why would you expect every constituent that logs on to this site to know that? The honest answer to that question is: you wouldn't. 

I notice that Bob Marshall recently posted openly on this site in a matter that concerned him. That's courage, that's integrity, that's what a public, elected representative does. 

If BD is not Mr Randolf, then my apologies to both, but if there are any public officials out there playing cutsie little games on this type of forum then you really deserve to be grabbed by the back of  your scrufty little collar and thrown out like the cur you are into the bright light of public scrutiny and accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if BD, is Mr Randolf, then I not only resent his attempt to co-mingle the two issues of K&amp;K and M&amp;T on this thread, I find it dishonorable and cowardly. And I suggest that a public servant, who is an elected representative , take part openly and in full view of his constituents, rather than hiding behind some cutsie moniker. If you have revealed yourself before on this site, why would you expect every constituent that logs on to this site to know that? The honest answer to that question is: you wouldn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I notice that Bob Marshall recently posted openly on this site in a matter that concerned him. That&#8217;s courage, that&#8217;s integrity, that&#8217;s what a public, elected representative does. </p>
<p>If BD is not Mr Randolf, then my apologies to both, but if there are any public officials out there playing cutsie little games on this type of forum then you really deserve to be grabbed by the back of  your scrufty little collar and thrown out like the cur you are into the bright light of public scrutiny and accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: Run Away</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97444</link>
		<dc:creator>Run Away</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97444</guid>
		<description>I will observed that the city has hired a new neighborhood coordinator not to be confused with the neighborhood manager not to be confused with the zoning administrator not to be confused with the planner 3, not to be confused with - you get my point - how many folks do we need for a 10 square mile city? Oh wait - we get a neighborhood conference for free every November where we get fair housing shoved down our throats for a few hours and all the GTS kids and parents get some free stuff.

Does it concern you Mr. Big Dog that staff did not tell (you) and council about this? It could have been stopped or delayed, did staff think that an all R council except for you Mr. Randollfy would like this? Seems like they all say they are for family values at the convention - does this coincide with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will observed that the city has hired a new neighborhood coordinator not to be confused with the neighborhood manager not to be confused with the zoning administrator not to be confused with the planner 3, not to be confused with - you get my point - how many folks do we need for a 10 square mile city? Oh wait - we get a neighborhood conference for free every November where we get fair housing shoved down our throats for a few hours and all the GTS kids and parents get some free stuff.</p>
<p>Does it concern you Mr. Big Dog that staff did not tell (you) and council about this? It could have been stopped or delayed, did staff think that an all R council except for you Mr. Randollfy would like this? Seems like they all say they are for family values at the convention - does this coincide with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Lets do both</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97441</link>
		<dc:creator>Lets do both</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2010/09/07/manassas-settles-on-a-study/#comment-97441</guid>
		<description>No prob, BD. Let's do both. 

Let's make sure our local officials are doing their jobs and let's make sure our state officials are also doing their jobs. For me, on a comparable basis I'm a lot more worried about the M&#38;T legislation. For that reason I'm concerned that the K&#38;K dispute distracts our citizens from focusing on what I consider to be a bigger and more significantly costly issue that goes directly to the bottom line. 

Our guys in our statehouse need to understand how we feel about M&#38;T (just like our guys in council chambers have a clear sense about how people feel about K&#38;K). And in the same way they need to be held accountable. M&#38;T does not involve a legal issue. There's no legal dispute involved. It's real simple: Support Manassas and vote accordingly; or don't and cost our fair city several mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob, BD. Let&#8217;s do both. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s make sure our local officials are doing their jobs and let&#8217;s make sure our state officials are also doing their jobs. For me, on a comparable basis I&#8217;m a lot more worried about the M&amp;T legislation. For that reason I&#8217;m concerned that the K&amp;K dispute distracts our citizens from focusing on what I consider to be a bigger and more significantly costly issue that goes directly to the bottom line. </p>
<p>Our guys in our statehouse need to understand how we feel about M&amp;T (just like our guys in council chambers have a clear sense about how people feel about K&amp;K). And in the same way they need to be held accountable. M&amp;T does not involve a legal issue. There&#8217;s no legal dispute involved. It&#8217;s real simple: Support Manassas and vote accordingly; or don&#8217;t and cost our fair city several mill.</p>
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