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Gang Violence In Manassas Takes Two Lives

By Greg L | 21 November 2010 | Illegal Aliens, Crime, Manassas City | 35 Comments

Two stabbings over the weekend, both victims and perpetrators appear to be Hispanic, the police say these are gang-related, and the crimes seem to bear every similarity with other illegal alien gang-banger crimes that used to be much more prevalent in the area.  This, dear readers, is a huge challenge not only for Manassas but for the entire area, as trans-national gang violence never respects municipal borders, much less the national borders perpetrators violate in order to be here.

Now we don’t know that illegal aliens are a factor in this crime, but the two fatal stabbings over the weekend bear a lot of resemblance to the kind of crimes we saw from MS-13 affiliated illegal aliens before the Rule of Law Resolution passed in Prince William County.  In 2007 five of the nine murder victims in Prince William and Manassas died at the hands of an illegal alien, and of those crimes all that were committed with an edged weapon involved MS-13 members who were illegal aliens.  A briefing I received around that time from a member of the Gang Task Force confirmed that edged weapons such as knives and machetes were the favored weapons of MS-13, and a report earlier in the decade by the Virginia State Police estimated that at that time 90% of all MS-13 members were illegal aliens.  So I suspect a strong connection to illegal aliens in this crime for a reason.

This kind of shocking violence deserves a strong and coordinated investigation involving Immigration and Customs Enforcement, local police departments, the Northern Virginia Gang Task Force,  the Virginia State Police and every other agency that has potential intelligence assets to bear or some specialized expertise involving trans-national gangs.  We’ve seen what happens with this kind of gang violence spins out of control in the past and we can’t afford to let it happen again.  This deserves to be a strong focus of law enforcement activity at the local, state and federal levels and rolled up before more brutal and senseless violence breaks out.

In Prince William County we’ve achieved a lot with significant rate reductions in several troubling kinds of violence because of the Rule of Law Resolution according to a recent UVA study.  Manassas has quietly adopted many of the provisions of that policy as well, but without earning for itself the same reputation as being a jurisdiction that is particularly tough on illegal aliens.  For the rest of the solution here, it might be time to have citizens asking the City Council to explore opportunities to enact legislation or policies that might help suppress crime by trans-national gangs and/or engage in some public relations efforts that will get the word out that illegal aliens and gang-bangers might face a particularly difficult time if they choose Manassas as their hunting ground.  Being the nail that sticks up a little less hasn’t worked out so well, as two dead city residents now silently testify.

While we’re at it, it’s probably time to just simply get every jurisdiction in Virginia actively engaged in solving this issue, since if we help stamp out transnational gang violence in Manassas, we’re going to see it again elsewhere.  If not Manassas, then Manassas Park, or Fairfax, or Stafford, or somewhere else.  Between the Rule of Law Campaign and the efforts of a number of members of the House of Delegates, we’ll have an opportunity to do just that this year, as long as Senator Dick Saslaw doesn’t decide to protect illegal aliens instead of Virginians like he’s done for the past three years in a row.

Yeah, Dick.  Your intransigence in dealing with this issue means minority youths in Virginia are dying because of you.  The same Hispanic people you always claim to care about are being murdered because policies that would protect them from brutal illegal alien infested trans-national gangs are preying on legal immigrants and illegal aliens — as well as other forms of Virginians on a regular basis are being blocked by youYou bear responsibility for the loss of these lives.  Maybe if white people were watching their intestines being carved out by MS-13 gang-bangers in Georgetown South before they die you’d give a crap, but if it’s Latino people dying, well, they don’t matter, right?

Moron.

We probably can’t stop all trans-national gang violence, but we sure can make it a lot more difficult for those who are uncannily responsible for it to unlawfully reside in Virginia and prey on Virginans.  We should also make it a lot more difficult for those who abet this violence with their intransigence — folks like Dick Saslaw and his enablers like Chuck Colgan — to continue to draw taxpayer checks while they ensure that police don’t engage in any exceptional efforts to protect vulnerable lives in our minority communities.  While we press our elected officials to take on this first task, we have to shoulder the responsibility for accomplishing the second.



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35 Comments

  1. citizenofmanassas said on 21 Nov 2010 at 9:08 pm:
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    The school leadership also needs to be held responsible for this as well. They simply want to ignore the underlying problem of why there is a failing school system and act as if the City schools are a great place for children to get an education, and how can anyone have a single negative thing to say about the schools. They think it’s just awesome that almost half the students receive some sort of government assistance for school meals. They love that almost 34% of the student population is in esl classes, and believe it’s a huge selling point for the school system.

    The City Council of course ignores the school issue by claiming they do not have any control over the schools, and that it’s the school board responsibility.

    I’m sure there are many others who feel as I do, that our elected “leadership” has failed us. However, it appears they really do not care about the City, oh sure, they attempt to say the right things to make it appear they are concerned, but in the end, they are not. They care about being re-elected, and being politically correct, while Rome burns.

    The entire Georgetown South Community needs to be redeveloped, that will go a long way in getting rid of the scum that plagues the City.

    Get rid of illegals and those that support them, and we’ll go a long way in turning the City around.

  2. Maureen said on 21 Nov 2010 at 10:38 pm:
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    Citizens time for Manassas City Council is tomorrow at 7:30. I will be there.

  3. Gerry's Kids said on 21 Nov 2010 at 11:23 pm:
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    Wonder if this guy is an illegal, too.

    Two people were killed Friday night in Prince William County when their car was struck by a vehicle driven by a man thought to be under the influence of PCP, county police said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/20/AR2010112004028.html

  4. Just the Facts said on 22 Nov 2010 at 8:06 am:
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    Georgetown South is an ideal candidate for redevelopment and revitalization. Because of the housing crash, property prices are low and banks are trying to dump many foreclosed units. As of today, the 20110 zip code, which includes Georgetown South, has 739 bank-owned properties. See

    http://www.all-foreclosure.com/citysearch.htm?&city=prince%20william%20county&state=VA

    These units are old but well-constructed and could be restored into a vibrant neighborhood.

    Georgetown South is walking distance from the Manassas VRE station and would be an ideal location to develop a residential area for young professionals who work downtown but want to live outside DC. Such a project would put to a halt the idiotic gang violence and other problems associated with overcrowding by illegal aliens.

    The end result a few years from now would be an upscale, low-crime neighborhood that would add millions to Manassas’ tax base.

    BVBL readers know that I am adamantly opposed to developers who get favors from their bought politicians and, at worst, want to open up the Rural Crescent to development as they did with Avendale. A project such as redevelopment and revitalization of Georgetown South, however, is precisely the type of residential development we need because it would shut down a crime-ridden slum that costs taxpayers a fortune in terms of law enforcement, education of illegals’ kids, etc., etc., and in return would generate a great new neighborhood the City (and County) could be proud of.

    Big problem – developers want the big, easy, more profitable projects such as Avendale that they expect in return for their massive campaign contributions. We need a new Prince William County Board of Supervisors in 2011 and a new Manassas City Council in 2012 before it will be possible to see any such projects as redevelopment of Georgetown South move forward in the County or the City.

  5. Just the Facts said on 22 Nov 2010 at 8:16 am:
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    Sorry - I posted the link for bank-owned properties in Prince William County. 7,275 is not a happy number either. The glut of foreclosed residential properties in Prince William County that is a major factor in the lethargy of our housing market recovery will not abate for years. It illustrates further the absolute insanity of approving developments such as Avendale, which only add more residential units to an already glutted market, and illustrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Gang of Five who voted for it (Stewart, Covington, Nohe, Jenkins and Caddigan) serve only the interests of their developer paymasters and not ours.

    The link for Manassas is:

    http://www.all-foreclosure.com/freesearch.htm?&zip=20110

  6. Fed Up said on 22 Nov 2010 at 8:22 am:
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    The gang members know that they have nothing to fear from the police at large. These hits are conducted by low level members of the gang at the orders of their superiors. They will continue to do so without the fear of retribution or the police. They had been in hiding for a while and are now coming back. I pulled my daughter from those schools and sent her to live with her mother because of the constant harassment and threats of being one of the few white kids there. The illegals have taken over that part of town and the schools and until they and their parents are removed, things will not get any better. I’ve worked in law enforcement in my past career and I know what to look for and MS is everywhere in northern Virginia.

  7. K.O'toole said on 22 Nov 2010 at 8:46 am:
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    You can also thank VOICE and the rest of the “compassionate” liberation-theology-social-justice-activist-community-organizing-clergy and their followers. They also have blood on their hands.

  8. Doug Brown said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:04 am:
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    @JusttheFacts,

    A young professionals’ devlopment project? How about a development that is targeted and touted for returning vets?

  9. citizenofmanassas said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:17 am:
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    Just the facts and Doug,

    Both are great ideas. However, some members of the City Council just about had a cow when I suggested that on Council member Andy Harrover’s blog. Yes, it would be a huge cost up front, but they don’t seem to mind wasting money on els classes and other costs associated with illegals. I guess they don’t mind the violence since for now they do not live near it.

  10. Just the Facts said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:32 am:
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    Doug - the development for Vets is a great idea too. It would be harder to sell, however, because it would require more public subsidies. The yuppies have plenty of money to pay their own way and would make the project profitable without the subsidies.

    If a citizens group, or coalition of community leaders and elected officials were willing to committ to the added effort of securing the additional financing to make Georgetown South a targeted community for Vets, I would certainly throw in my support.

    Another dimension of your idea would be catering to vets who need medical care, but not as extensive as that offered at Walter Reed. That would open the doors to additional funding for the hospitals (and increased medical employment) in Prince William County.

    Or, how about a County/City, public/private economic development venture to redevelop Georgetown South as the returning Vet community you suggest in conjunction with expanding medical services and employment in the two jurisdictions?

    See how creative we can be if we’re thinking of the interests of our community and not just trying to figure ways to please the developers who fill our campaign coffers?

    Citizen - the reason for the pushback you got was that the PWC BOCS and the Manassas City Council serve the hands that feed them. We need to change that in 2011 and 2012.

  11. Sad Sue said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:35 am:
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    I know the answer - paint more fences white in GTS!

    How about more street sweeping by the City, twice a week not good enough for you, why have ‘em do it three times a week, that’s the ticket!

    More tax dollar funded neighborhood conferences at the “hood” boys and girls club with free stuff for all!

    A higher tax rate for the schools for “full funding”, that’s an idea!

    Let’s have more “study circles” funded by GMU and the City and Unity in the Community and Trinity Church and All Saints Church!

    Pastor Savage, Pastor of the year at First Baptist can get some of his wonderful VOICE dollars from the collection plate, after all the director of VOCIE makes more than the Governor of Virginia so he can spare a few bucks!

    But above all let’s be sure we talk, talk, talk, and pat ourselves on the back for winning regional awards while kids die, die, die.

    God help us all but especially the Pastors and Elected Officials who allow this to happen by not speaking the truth and being men and women of courage.

  12. Just the Facts said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:35 am:
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    Also, whether we’re talking about young professionals or Vets, either demographic would have fewer children than the demographic residing there now. School costs (legal or illegal students) would drop dramatically, further strengthening Manassas’ fiscal position.

  13. Just the Facts said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:44 am:
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    Sad Sue - I understand your frustration, but what do you think about our ideas? Any great thing takes some time, work and effort on the part of committed people who care about their community. Part of that effort will electing the right people to the BOCS and City Council who would get behind something like this.

  14. Sadder Sue said on 22 Nov 2010 at 10:05 am:
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    Yes, Just the Facts I agree with all your ideas, but where oh where are these candidates for me to support? Someone needs to force this with the 2 tea parties in the county and city. I can not run - too many kids and a husband who need me!

  15. sandy said on 22 Nov 2010 at 10:44 am:
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    If the city held the parents responsible, for their children and they are here illegally , and can’t control the children, the family should be sent back to where they come from. After a few families have gone back, you will see a change .

  16. Just the Facts said on 22 Nov 2010 at 11:06 am:
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    Sandy - you do that by cracking down on the illegal employers who are the reason the illegals come here in the first place. Again, we will not get such action from the current BOCS or City Council because they are beholden to developer and other corporate campaign contributors who want nothing done to interfer with their supple of cheap, illegal labor.

  17. Robert L. Duecaster said on 22 Nov 2010 at 11:59 am:
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    There’s enough blood for a lot of people’s hands. In addition to the two worthless lumps of Democratic protoplasm you named in your post, Greg, you should have also included in that crew that unapologetic, and apparently unremovable, stalwart of the Republican Party, Frank Wolf. Heretofore he’s touted the establishment and funding of the Gang Task Force as his primary contribution to the anti-illegal alien effort. Wasted money, folks. He’s put more effort into his windmill jousting campaigns in far off places than he has in facing the No. 1 problem in his district, i.e., the presence of tens of thousands of people who should not be here. People who have decimated our schools, depleted our public coffers, ruined our neighborhoods, killed our clergy, and created an atmosphere more akin to downtown Baghdad than what should exist in Northern Virginia.

    If it’s time for Saslaw and Colgan to go, it’s past time for Wolf. As our federal rep, he should have been on top of this situation from its inception. Anyone who thinks throwing money at a “Gang Task Force” has adequately addressed the situation is hiding his head in the same mound of sand that Frank has used for the past 24 years.

    Is there anyone out there who really believes Wolf has down something for us in the 10th? If so, please enlighten me with something more than the nebulous pablum he puts out in the few speeches he makes to the Party drones.

  18. legal2 said on 22 Nov 2010 at 3:29 pm:
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    @3:15 today a crowd of about 200 students, plus ambulance, was on the side street between Osborne & Georgetown South. Any news about the incident?

  19. park'd said on 22 Nov 2010 at 5:40 pm:
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    Yay charlie deane! See what the welcome mat brings us? Send charlie a thank you card. I’m sure he would appreciate knowing he is doing such a fine job at making the lives of criminals easier.

  20. park'd said on 22 Nov 2010 at 5:54 pm:
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    Once again, Robert and I reading off the same sheet of music. Unfortunately he and I are the ONLY ones reading from that sheet since most of the usual suspects here still think Wolf is the salt of the Earth. Saslaw, Deane and Wolf are the three MOST responsible for the condition that PWC and the two cities are in right now. Connolly is vying for the 4th slot on that list. The only edict these men have is to keep the crime and blight located to certain areas which won’t impact their lives or the lives of their benefactors.

  21. Doug Brown said on 22 Nov 2010 at 8:49 pm:
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    @Just the Facts,

    Exactly, there’s a lot of ways to make a Vet resettlement community work.

    The most beneficial affect such a project would have is the intangible of a community raising the Vet’s ethos of self-sacrifice and service to an ethos that helps define the community and contributes to raising the character and shaping the values of our youth.

  22. citizenofmanassas said on 22 Nov 2010 at 9:43 pm:
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    I attended the City Council meeting and have a short write up about it on my blog.

  23. Fed Up said on 23 Nov 2010 at 12:00 am:
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    All of these little illegal punk SOB’s need to be swept out of the area. Good job Manassas police and the Northern Virginia gang task force:

    MANASSAS, Va. –

    Catholic priest Ramon Dominguez had just come from Georgetown South to lead a scheduled prayer service at the spot where 15-year-old Miguel Hernandez was fatally stabbed Friday.

    Alongside him was a boy who said his name was Jonathan Garcia. After finishing a conversation on his cell phone, Dominguez stood silently near the intersection of Bartow and Brent streets, waiting.

    Less than five minutes later, Garcia was whisked away in handcuffs by police officers armed with assault rifles.

    Four police vehicles, several of them unmarked, screeched to a halt near the twosome. With guns in hand, the police got the boy on the ground, handcuffed him and drove him away — all in the matter of a minutes.

    There were shrieks of fear and swears of incredulity from the few people who had already gathered for the vigil. All in all, it was surreal moment in a weekend of disbelief starting with the stabbing death of “Mickey” Hernandez, a popular Osbourn High School freshman.

    On Saturday, police were called to investigate a stabbing that occurred at the Grant Avenue Shopping Center across the street from the scene of the murder.

    Police late Monday said they’d arrested 15-year-old Manassas teen and a 16-year-old Gainesville youth in connection with the Saturday incident.

    After the recent outburst of violence, Manassas police joined forces with the Northern Virginia Gang Task Force to investigate any gang connections between the two crimes.

    On Saturday, they arrested Mauricio Martinez, 18, of 9233 Byrd Drive in Manassas, and a 17-year-old juvenile from Fairfax and charged them with murder and gang participation in the death of Hernandez.

    According to Neumann, the two stabbings are connected in some fashion. Neumann said MS-13, Sur-13 and Mexican Mafia have a presence in the city but did not say which gang either of the arrestees were affiliated with.

    Neumann said the police don’t know the motive for Friday’s slaying or whether Saturday’s incident was in retaliation to what occurred the day before. He also said he wasn’t aware of any inordinate amount of gang activity in the city preceding this weekend’s events.

    Police Capt. Art Dennis, who worked Monday’s after-school vigil, said that the heavy police presence was necessary given the timeliness of the service and the amount of students who cut through the neighborhood each day from school.

    Part of that presence was a surveillance camera placed near the intersection of the kiling. Dennis said the surveillance camera is a temporary security measure to make sure the department keeps a handle on what he called a very fluid situation.

    “One spark and you have an incident,” Dennis said.

    For at least the first part of the prayer service, there were no more altercations. Candles were lit in Hernandez’s honor and friends placed flowers on the spot where he lay. Many of the more than 150 people gathered were openly weeping as Dominguez began the service.

    Manassas City Public Schools Superintendent Gail Pope was one of many who came to pay their respects to Hernandez. Regardless of recent events, Pope said that school officials always tell their students to walk in groups from school and take the bus if you normally take the bus.

    Several children interviewed said they were either scared or would be more careful during their walks home to and from school. Pope said they work with parents on any issues staff may be unaware of so that they can attempt to nip any potential problems in the bud.

    Unfortunately, Pope said there is only so much she and school officials can do to ensure the safety of her students while they are off-school grounds.

    According to Neumann, there was a heavier than usual police presence in and around Osbourn Monday and that they will be there as long as they deem necessary.

  24. Groveton said on 23 Nov 2010 at 8:01 am:
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    I live in the Fairfax County section of the 10th. Frank Wolf is useless. He disappears for 22 months only to re-emerge 60 days prior to the election. He is a walking billboard for term limits.

  25. Robert L. Duecaster said on 23 Nov 2010 at 10:29 am:
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    Well that makes three of us, Groveton, who are fed up with Wolf’s compromising and failure to represent us. That’s a Party. Next, you, me, and Park’d should talk about nominating someone to replace the sumbitch.

  26. Patti said on 25 Nov 2010 at 6:23 am:
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    I used to live in Manassas. I left in 1997, just when it started to get bad. Really bad. And it seemed no one thought it would ever escalate to where it did!

  27. Black Saint said on 25 Nov 2010 at 6:43 am:
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    Our border states are overwhelmed, out-gunned, and overran from the massive invasion of Illegal Aliens & Armed Banditos, killing Citizens and Law enforcement personnel and Obama & the Democrats sues the States trying to protect its Citizens!

    Criminals and Illegal Aliens march in our streets all across the land demanding their rights, riot, wave their flags and spit on American, its Government, Laws, Constitution, and Citizens, and Obama & the Democrats smile, approve & cheer them on while defending their rights to do so.

    Our neighborhoods are flooded with Illegal Aliens gangs, Mexican flags fly in barrios coast to coast , our ER rooms destroyed, Hospitals closed, Schools overwhelmed, Prisons overflowing, 100,s billions spent on Welfare for the invaders, States going bankrupt, Americans Citizens by the 10,of thousands are Robbed, Raped and Slaughtered, millions of American citizens unemployed and losing everything, while Obama & the Democrats reward the invaders and promises them Amnesty for their Crimes!

    The President and most of the Politicians in Wash, DC plus Mayors in our sanctuary cities from coast to coast should to be arrested and tried for Treason!

  28. Robert L. Duecaster said on 26 Nov 2010 at 2:52 pm:
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    “should to be arrested and tried for Treason”

    That would be too pleasant a fate for many of them.

  29. citizenofmanassas said on 27 Nov 2010 at 8:35 am:
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    Patti,

    That’s the point. This has been going on for years. yes, it’s not as if we live in South Central, where everyday there is violence. But, we also live in a City of 35,000 and we see it enough every couple of years that we should realize it’s not going away and it will only get worse. Once a City turns, there’s not much chance of turning the tide. The sad part is the people who will suffer the most are not the illegals, not the gangs, not the elites but the middle class who will be stuck with worthless homes because of the huge drop in property values. We simply will not be able to sell our homes at a decent price. The City will lose even more money, and it won’t be replaced. The end result of course is a huge shift from a majority middle class to upper class City to one that is majority poor. Ever wonder why it seems the poorest places having the highest taxes?

    That’s going to happen hear if we do not kick out the gangs and the illegals.

  30. Cynic said on 27 Nov 2010 at 4:49 pm:
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    Citizenofmanassas,

    “That’s going to happen hear if we do not kick out the gangs and the illegals.”

    Before the gangs and illegals will be kicked out you will have to kick (vote) out the enabling politicians and replace them with political leaders with some guts.

    And, being an extreme realist, I know that will not happen. More likely to happen is the enabling politicians will continue to appease the gangs and illegals - using our/your tax dollars - to provide grants to their corrupt front groups and casting a blind eye to their crimes - just like they do here in Maryland, a sanctuary state.

  31. Wolverine said on 28 Nov 2010 at 7:19 pm:
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    Sorry, Robert L., but you are blowing a lot of smoke about Wolf and the funding of the anti-gang task force. I’ve seen it work in Sterling Park. And this from someone who has actually been out on the streets around here for almost five years on Neighborhood Watch patrols. When I started all that, the gangs were actually on my street. THEY were on patrol then, keeping other gangs out of their turf. They even tried to recruit my Hispanic-American son-in-law only a block from my own home. In a neighboring jurisdiction, we lost an adopted Latina granddaughter to the lures of an illegal gangbanger out of Mexico. I was able to keep track of her for awhile in another state, but now I don’t know whether she is dead or alive.

    In any case, we were actually out in the streets in the faces of these gangbangers. And, with some stellar help from local law enforcement, we were able to drive them out of our neighborhood, only to see them sprout up elsewhere in our town. That is when Wolf stepped in with those much needed funds, not only financing the NoVa task force but helping to create a like task force in the Shenandoah, where local law enforcement from Winchester to Harrisonburg was getting stymied on a regular basis by those bastards, especially in the context of the drug and weapons traffic coming up I-81.

    There was a time, Robert L, when I could stop in for a bite at a local establishment and wind up sharing the place with an armed and tough-looking task force unit on food break. They were out there. The gangs knew it and reacted accordingly. So, Robert L., I have not encountered a gangbanger for the last year or so on patrol. They have either fled for easier pickings like Montgomery County in Maryland or gone into very deep cover. I opt for the former. We are hoping that this trend will continue apace but are still maintaining the vigil. But may I ask you not to send any more of your denizens this way? One of the gangbanger leaders who was nabbed here was moving in from PWC. Got him on a gang violence warrant out of your stomping ground. NW and the cops spotted him at the same time before he could get comfortable.

    But I will give you one thing. Money alone doesn’t do it. It takes the task forces, the local cops, AND private citizens willing to actually go out there and get involved as the eyes and ears of law enforcement. Sitting at a computer keyboard does cut the mustard in this regard. I suggest that, if all you guys concerned about the “Resolution” and “Help Save Manassas” would also take some time to actually get involved with NW and law enforcement, you can make a dent in this thing while trying to find some long-term solution to the illegal immigration problem.

  32. Doug Brown said on 29 Nov 2010 at 9:47 am:
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    @Wolverine

    Robert L is correct. The Task Force funding is a band-aid for a problem that Wolf, as our fed rep, has largely sat idly by as it has devastated and ripped apart the communities which he claims to be looking out for in Congress.

    Great, that you’ve runned them out of Sterling Park for now. Where did they go?

    Yeah, we’ll get off our lazy duffs and maybe with Wolf’s task force help we can send them back to you.

    I’m sure glad we keep sending Wolf to Congress where he has pumped billions into Law Enforcement, creating a monster agency in the FBI, so that we can patrol our own streets.

  33. Wolverine said on 30 Nov 2010 at 3:46 am:
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    Look, Doug, illegal immigration is a fight going on at many levels — local, state, and federal. That federal battle has been going on for several decades, and there is still no viable end in sight. Meanwhile, on your own streets you have a bunch of bastards who are a threat to the average citizen. You going to just sit there and ignore it or are you going to take the direct action which you are capable of taking to try to solve a security problem on those streets and in those neighborhoods? You going to sit around and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for some real solutions at the federal and state level? The gangbangers would just love to see us all abdicate from the local problems so we can continue to rant about federal and state policy while they do what they want to do out there. I say fight the battle ourselves right now on the home ground where we can have some immediate community security effect instead of wringing our hands about the continuing failures of the politicos on the larger stage. I prefer to do some of the heavy lifting on my own streets right now rather than just wait for the federal or state cavalry to come to the rescue — if they ever do show up. But, if you prefer to leave the bastards in control of your streets while you stew over policy, that’s your choice. Good luck.

  34. Doug Brown said on 1 Dec 2010 at 1:23 pm:
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    @Wolverine

    I admire your willingness to step up and patrol your streets, but as someone with a little bit of experience in the field, let me tell you something you’re risking a little bit more than just your personal safety. You are putting your immediate family, extended family and friends, property and your ability to make a living on the line. And don’t make the mistake that the police and Wolf’s task force is going to be able to protect you if things get messy, as they tend to do. As someone who has dealt with gangs and knows a little bit about their erratic and violent SOPs, let me repeat myself, Wolf’s gang task force is a band-aid for a problem that Wolf and our other noble leaders have dumped on America.

    BTW make sure you have the name of a good criminal defense attorney, taking back your streets is a noble undertaking, but unpredictable.

    Recommended reading:
    Law Enforcement and Counterintelligence
    Lawrence Sulc
    Varro Press 1996
    This is a book way ahead of it’s time.

  35. Doug Brown said on 4 Dec 2010 at 1:16 pm:
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    Wolverine,

    FYI

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/mexico-nabs-14-year-old-cartel-hitman-dpgonc-20101203-gc-_10922697

    BTW, I was having coffee the other day with a former LE officer from Florida who dealt with gangs like MS-13 and he brought up an additional point which I should have included in our discussion : all because the gangs stop tagging or roaming an area does not mean that they have moved on.

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