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By Greg L | 11 January 2011 | Uncategorized | 43 Comments

It has been a while since we had one of these…



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43 Comments

  1. Anonymous said on 11 Jan 2011 at 10:22 pm:
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    Commie Bernie Sanders from Vermont and the Tea Party Express are using the Arizona shooting to raise money. Disgusting.

  2. Cynic said on 11 Jan 2011 at 11:03 pm:
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    Incendiary speech

    First Amendment says that Congress shall make no laws abridging the freedom of speech.

    Am guessing that would include both incendiary and non incendiary speech.

  3. Citizen12 said on 12 Jan 2011 at 12:32 am:
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    The individual alone should be held responsible for their own actions.

    If the Arizona shooting had taken place on Halloween how much would the media be concerned with the shooters politics? Would there be an outcry to outlaw pumpkins and trick or treating?

    If it happened during the Christmas season would the congress scramble to provide protection to all mall Santa’s?

    Did the politics of th Starbucks shooter matter?

    Total the victims of mass shootings by deranged individuals and then total the victims of illegal alien murderers, drunk driver deaths and sexual assaults.

    Guess which ones are preventable?

    The media and politicians will go on for days pointing the finger over the “cause” of the tragic shooting in Arizona.

    Where is the outcry by the media and politicians over the DAILY death toll caused by the illegal invaders?

    Americans are willing to accept risk in a free society.

    Americans should not be forced to accept a greater risk simply because their elected officials fail to do their job in the interest of advancing their political power.

  4. anon said on 12 Jan 2011 at 7:13 am:
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    I don’t recall the KORAN being blamed as much for the Ft. Hood massacre as much as Palin and the Tea Party are getting blamed for this.

  5. anonymous said on 12 Jan 2011 at 7:45 am:
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    Latest insanity from the liberal moonhowlings site - by one of their favorite posters who they always defend no matter how bad his posts are:

    Starryflights
    January 12th, 2011 at 02:38 | #34
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    I think it is time for liberals to begin exercising our second amendments as well. If the right wants to settle our political disputes violently, then so be it. We have a right to defend ourselves.

  6. Disgusted said on 12 Jan 2011 at 7:53 am:
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    What that young man did was abhorrent! It is the fault of neither conservatives nor liberals. The warning signs were there - nobody had the courage to act on them.

    But, conservatives, you gotta admit that your ilk has been absolutely rabid over 1) losing the ‘08 election to Obama, 2) Obamacare, 3) Repeal of don’t ask don’t tell 4) losing the House in ‘08, & etc. I have the memory of Tea Party member purposely disrupting elected Congressional Democrat’s town meetings last year because they were beside themselves in anger over the healthcare bill. Civility and discourse be damned. I see Ann Coulter, Beck, Rush, & etc., in a verbal lather in their hatred of Obama and liberals. Don’t get me wrong, zealots from the far left are just as bad. The leftists did the same thing when Bush was in office. I can’t quote as much about them because, quite frankly, they bore me and I really don’t pay them much attention. Why is it such a surprise, then, when those citizens that don’t pay a lot of attention to this stuff make such a connection and blame the Tea Party? It amuses me when you all gasp and throw your hands over your mouths when someone makes the accusation.

  7. anon2 said on 12 Jan 2011 at 8:07 am:
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    If a conservative poster posted that on moonhowlings, you know they would be banned from the site! Instead, this person gets a complete pass.

  8. Anonymous said on 12 Jan 2011 at 8:54 am:
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    If the tea party caused the arizona shooting then kk’s temptations should be held somewhat responsible for the sexual assualts going on in our area right?

  9. Whaler said on 12 Jan 2011 at 9:05 am:
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    @ Anon,

    LOL ! It is rude over at the Moonbat site to call an ace an ace if it attacks liberals and they can’t have that - they would have to think. Come to think of it - it is part of the liberal approach to shutting down conservative free speech and the discussion of alternatives and thought accross the board. The Moonbat managers even tried to stop posters from calling illegals — illegals - too rude.

  10. Citizen12 said on 12 Jan 2011 at 11:10 am:
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    Disgusted said on 12 Jan 2011 at 7:53 am
    Why is it such a surprise, then, when those citizens that don’t pay a lot of attention to this stuff make such a connection and blame the Tea Party?

    ****************************************************************

    I for one am not surprised at all that the masses that don’t pay attention to what goes on around them soak up the latest liberal media drivel and run with it like was actually based on fact.

    The bulk of the right typically reacts with an even tone but the “rabid” reaction to the current administration and the progressive movement is proportional to the threat they present.

    The left has always reacted with the predictable “burn baby, burn” no matter what the cause.

    While they have never been inclined to argue any position with many relevant facts, the radical arm of the progressive movement is attempting to use their alliances in and influence on both congress and the current administration to simply demonize and outlaw any and all opposing viewpoints and move forward with their the plan for the “fundamental” transformation of America.

    http://www.examiner.com/manatee-county-buzz-in-tampa-bay/the-fundamental-transformation-of-america

  11. anon2 said on 12 Jan 2011 at 11:11 am:
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    At moonhowlings they claim posters here also post on their website. For the record dolph, I’ve never posted on your slanted website where you salute liberal posters who spew garbage while trashing conservative posters who say nothing bad. Why would I want to? When you question conservative posters’ sources all the time but allow liberals to spew garbage without questioning their sources or telling them to stop saying things about taking up arms against conservatives, it is obvious your website is a lost cause. Get over yourself, and stop thinking there’s a plot to post something pretending to be a liberal and then complaining about it on here. Starryflights is one of your favorite posters/heroes who regularly posts violent things and gets a complete pass! In fact, you’ve defended more than one of his violent posting in the past. Need we cite an example? Oh, you’ll go delete it if we do to once again cover up your dirty misdeeds!

  12. anon said on 12 Jan 2011 at 11:27 am:
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    See, the “RASCISM!” charge is worn out. Now if you oppose dems or this administration, you need to tone it down or you will be responsible for the next mass murder.

  13. anon2 said on 12 Jan 2011 at 11:34 am:
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    moonhowler is a hypocrite - she whines about us talking about their website, but they talk very often about what’s being said on bvbl! Too bad for them, whine whine whine! And who cares if she didn’t start antibvbl - that wasn’t the point in any of the recent posts, but she’s got her panties in a knot over it! Very very funny and amusing. You can count on her reacting to anything that’s said here about her website, who she thinks is the only source of honest unbiased news! To borrow a phrase from her - fauxhowlings!

  14. Anonymous said on 12 Jan 2011 at 11:35 am:
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    The link between porn and violence to women is well established by major universities and study after study of violent offenders. Let’s not kid ourselves that this stuff is harmless and just some bedroom fun. Please express some outrage Betsy and Cindy and Ray so you can be at least consistent in your arguments in support of KK’s, thanks!

  15. Whaler said on 12 Jan 2011 at 12:50 pm:
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    The Moonbat is a Pelosi-esq/era, hypocrite; cant see no evil, hear no evil or speak no evil of any progressive, big government program, pension or adherent. She is a died in the wool while in self denial liberal who never saw a taxpayer funded program or ACLU position that should not be protected or expanded. Oh, wait - its rude to call somebody a liberal or an illegal an illegal I don’t think Pelosi herself sees how narrow minded or antagonistic she is either. Straight talk is direct and refreshing in a world of liberal political correctness. Those rational folks who frequent the Howler site have to walk pretty much on egg shells or its “Off to the gulag, re-education and Moonoderation for you.” Pelosi could not stand for correction either. And the sense of the loss of the Ascendency has them going nuts.

  16. Steve Thomas said on 12 Jan 2011 at 12:55 pm:
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    Folks, I hope you will indulge me here for a few minutes. I am not here to defend the Howlers, or any of the comments of their various posters. They should be responsible for their own comments. I am not here to condem any comments here. They are yours and yours alone. Greg isn’t responsible only for his own. Howler only responsible for hers. I am a conservative, and a short while ago, I began posting under my real name at moonhowlings. I did so with the understanding that a blog is not a democracy, and the owners have every right to censor comments or ban posters as they see fit. Greg has the same right to do so here. Of course the two blogs come at issues from different perspectives, and I believe that is a good thing, if the arguments are rational, and civil. What how much, and from whom the respective blog owners will tolerate is up to them. Their houses. Their rules. They provide a forum, and cover news and issues in a way the press never can. Like Hannity and Mathews.

    Since posting over there, I have engaged in a few debates, and for the most part have found those responding to my comments to be reasonable. Sure, someone might get a bit heated, and some resort to trite rhetoric, but my comments have not been moderated, censored, and I have never been threatened with exile. The reason, I believe is that I play by the rules, respect everyone’s right to an opinion, and limit my comments to fact-based arguments. In a rational debate, the superior argument wins.

    I suspect that if a liberal were to adopt the same methodology, their comments would be welcomed here. The question is, can conservatives here answer those comments in the same manner offerred? Now I used to be a brawler. I loved the heated zingers and one-liners. I posted anonymous comments attacking anyone whose opinion differred from mine, and jumped into the dogpile when someone made an ill-informed comment. I decided “no more”. Just my opinion these blogs can be echo chambers, or they can be forums for debate. I am much more inclined to listen to opposing views if they aren’t wrapped in personal insults. I know when I present an agrument, and the other side attacks me with vitriol, I can declare victory. They have nothing to counter me with, other than the ad hominem attack.

    It has worked thus far. I am free to present and defend the conservative position. I don’t intend on changing. If this wont work for you, it’s a free country. The reason I don’t post much over here, is I tend to agree with the principles of the arguments made, and if I agree with the principle, I have little to add to the debate. If you think I am full of it, fire away! I have decided that results matter, and I can’t shout any louder than they can. Defeat the inferior argument with a superior argument. Requires a bit more work, and you’ve got to have a big bag of facts, but I think it’s worth it.

  17. Steve Thomas said on 12 Jan 2011 at 1:46 pm:
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    “Greg isn’t responsible only for his own. Howler only responsible for hers.”

    This should read “Greg isn’t responsible for your comments, only for his own. Howler only for hers.”

  18. Doug Brown said on 12 Jan 2011 at 1:52 pm:
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    Steve,

    You got a point. If one is looking for inferior arguments, I can confirm that there is no better place in blogland than Moonhowlings. :)

  19. Steve Thomas said on 12 Jan 2011 at 2:10 pm:
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    Doug,

    At the core of every bit of good natured humor is a kernal of truth. I do believe true conservatism to be superior to modern liberalism. That is why I am a conservative. I have also kinda recently learned that I will not bring anyone over to my way of thinking by insulting the ill-informed, nor will I really win a debate by shouting over them. Doesn’t make me superior to anyone. I’m not going to play that game anymore. I’ll attack the logic of the argument with facts, but not the person, defend my arguments with facts, and leave the personal attacks and insults unanswered. I gotta tell you. It’s refreshing.

  20. Robert L. Duecaster said on 12 Jan 2011 at 2:48 pm:
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    On a completely different note:

    I had business at the Manassas DMV early today near the airport. I noticed a stack of clipboards ready to be given to the public, in which there were applications for drivers license/ID cards. One of the first questions on the applications is, “Are you a US citizen?” On each of the blank applications, the “yes” box was already checked.

    Does anyone have any knowledge of DMV procedures. Are they just assuming any Tomas, Riccardo, y Harold who walks in and applies for a license is a citizen, and gets either a license or ID. If so, and the Office of Voter Registration just checks a person’s license or ID card prior to registration for voting, isn’t it possible that we’ve got many illegal aliens on the voting rolls?

    Just asking.

  21. Patty said on 12 Jan 2011 at 3:11 pm:
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    Rob,

    I do know that since my husband was late renewing his license, he had to bring his proof of citizenship “paperwork” to DMV before he got his license. I’m not sure if that helps answer your question or maybe there is at least one clerk who is doing the right thing.

    Steve Thomas,

    I’ve seen your posts in various places and have read your letters. I understand you to be a Christian and approach things in a logical way. I would like to recommend a book to you, “Ultimate Proof of Creation Resolving the Origins Debate” by Dr. Jason Lisle. There is much discussion about worldviews (belief systems, morality, logic and preconditions of intelligibility, “a good worldview must logically be consistent”).

    I think you would enjoy it. You can probably get it at the Family Christian Store. If they don’t have it, you can order it.

  22. Steve Thomas said on 12 Jan 2011 at 3:37 pm:
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    Patty,

    Thanks! I’ll look for it on Kindle, and if Amazon doesn’t have it, I’ll hit the Family Christian Store.

  23. Raymond Beverage said on 12 Jan 2011 at 3:56 pm:
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    @Anonymous at 12:35

    Since you mentioned my name in relation to SOBs, may I direct your attention to the report to the City Council. If you have not read it, it can be found at:

    http://www.manassascity.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=3721

    I was at the presentation made by Duncan Associates, and found the second half of the report which focuses on the City’s issues, to be exactly what I expected. I also concur with the good Doctor’s recommendations he made in the presentation.

    The first half of the report is generic to all SOB, and lots of references to “in the realtors opinion” - without quantifiable data to support opinion. My only observation on the report was in the City-specific, one particular line, which was a judgement statement he made regarding Adult Day Care. It was his opinion, but not based on any fact within Aging.

    So yes, there are lots of studies; however, as like good folks like Steve Thomas, my further actions will be based on this report as it applies to the City.

    I thank you for referencing my name.

  24. Ballerina said on 12 Jan 2011 at 5:36 pm:
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    What is going on here?

    Some sick kind of love fest?

    Please stop this namby pamby feel good nonsense while Rome burns.

  25. Independent Thinker said on 12 Jan 2011 at 6:00 pm:
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    Ballerina said on 12 Jan 2011 at 5:36 pm:
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    “What is going on here?

    Some sick kind of love fest?

    Please stop this namby pamby feel good nonsense while Rome burns.”

    I think you also forgot “you jackwagon” LOL

  26. Maureen said on 12 Jan 2011 at 10:42 pm:
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    Reminder: gang prevention summit at the boys & girls club this coming Monday Jan 17th 6:00 -8:00 pm

  27. Mike Albertness said on 13 Jan 2011 at 4:50 pm:
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    I just learned the Prince William County Police Department Criminal Alien Unit is no longer. After speaking to several Police Officer/Detectives, the unit was broken down. Supervisor Richard Cundiff and Michael Crosbie who are in charge of such unit placed the certified ICE officer into different assignments but yet making them keep their certification to deceive the public that the unit still exists. Although the department does have certified ICE officer within the department, the Criminal Alien Unit is no longer. After reviewing arrests numbers it is apparent of the credibility of such information as immigration arrest has significantly gone down.

    The Police Department has been targeting cases that will catch media attention. When a significant case rises, the supervisor pulls out the certified ICE officer from his current assignment to make an immigration arrest. They make it appear as if they have been proactive with immigration arrests and issues. One of their current high profiled arrests was the nun killed by a drunken illegal immigrant. Such arrest made the public think that the Criminal Alien Unit reacted but in this case it was the ICE certified jail officers because the police department immigration unit is gone. One reason heard of such movement was, they were placed in different area of the department to increase immigration arrests within the department. However, if you look at each ICE certified officer arrest record the number speaks for its self; they have a max of one arrest a month if that. In many occasion there has been many months in which the officers has zero immigration arrests.

    Further information obtained indicates the police department has been making these changes to include the breakage of the Criminal Alien Unit without letting the board of supervisor know. They have used deception to make them think the unit exists and are remain proactive by making immigration arrests. They have not told them of the unit breakage and where they have place the ICE certified officers. If the board of supervisor is allowing the police department to do this, what else are they keeping away from the public? What other deceptions is the Police Department responsible for?

    I am looking for more sources to contribute to this news. If you have further information please post it with some sort of contact method so I contact you privately and create a future headline on the newspaper. Headlines will read sort of “Prince William Police Deceives It’s Citizen.”

  28. Anonymous said on 13 Jan 2011 at 11:09 pm:
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    I’m new posting here, and I like the look of this site very much. But I have looked at the Moonhowlings site too (never posted there), and it does seem they cover a lot more issues and have a more fact-based debate than what goes on here. Seems to be a broader range of views on that site too. Some interesting stuff here, too, but a lot more venom and from what looks like generally the same people. Has it always been this way or is that a recent development?

  29. Tyler Durden said on 14 Jan 2011 at 10:02 am:
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    We don’t talk about Fight Club.

  30. Disgusted said on 14 Jan 2011 at 6:42 pm:
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    @ Doug and @ Bulletproof: Gotta video for ya. Enjoy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_F4yVsUfq8

  31. Disgusted said on 15 Jan 2011 at 7:12 am:
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    …but it would be irresponsible to suggest this putrid rhetoric from ultra-conservatives (dare I say Tea Party?) media has anything to do with pushing mentally unbalanced individuals over the edge.

  32. Doug Brown said on 19 Jan 2011 at 1:21 pm:
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    @Disgusted

    I don’t see Bulletproof on this thread it appears that your withering wit is once again off target. Fix that sight, you’re an optics guy.

    Bill Moyers? Give me a break. If you’re going to start bringing in the clowns I’ll start posting Glen Beck links.

  33. Anonymous said on 19 Jan 2011 at 7:16 pm:
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    Don’t Tread On Me Virginia License Plates Need 75 More Applications

    The deadline is Monday, January 24th and we have 275 applications, and only need 75 more to pass HOUSE BILL NO. 1418 and establish this special plate “DONT TREAD ON ME” (photo of plate on website) as an official Virginia license plate. Once the bill is passed by the general assembly and signed into law by the Governor the plate will become available to the citizens of Virginia. Applications are needed to establish this plate in the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles and if you are a resident of Virginia we need your immediate help.

    http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011011912608/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/dont-tread-on-me-virginia-license-plates-need-75-more-applications.html

  34. Disgusted said on 19 Jan 2011 at 7:48 pm:
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    @ Doug:

    I posted this for you and Bulletproof over here on the Open Thread as a courtesy because it was off topic on the other thread. I just assumed you guys could figure that out for yourselves.

    Please post Beck….he makes my point for me by just opening his demented mouth. Pick the one where he bashes liberals…ooops…that’s ALL of them!

    But in all honesty, @Doug, don’t you realize that guys like Beck & O’Reilly and all of the other blowhards and making a mint off of your latent hatred & fears? The irresponsibility is mind boggling. The effect on the mentally unbalanced is evident. What’s even more mind boggling is that guys like you ACTUALLY BELIEVE HIM! If they couldn’t make money off you in this manner, do you really think they’d be spouting the filth you so crave? They’d drop you and your kind like a hot rock and find some other group to pull their Elmer Gantry stunt. Same goes for the liberal blowhards. I’ll take Moyers over Beck any day. A sane, legitimate journalist, albeit a liberal, is preferred over an ego-maniacal cable lunatic. You demean yourself by defending and aligning with him. George Will is a much better choice. But he just doesn’t do it for you like the Beckster, does he?

  35. Doug Brown said on 20 Jan 2011 at 1:58 am:
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    @Disgusted

    You get all that anger and frustration out of your system? Feel better? Good.

    At least from your responses to me on this forum, you have shown a remarkable ability to read things into my responses which are simply not there.

    This is what you should have gotten from my post: I consider Bill Moyers AND Beck BOTH clowns. Both can make statements and cite facts which are ostensibly true and somewhat reasonable but I don’t take either of them seriously as a commentator or as a thinker. They’re both wacked and both wash out in self-parody.

    But again, I hope you got all that anger out. Maybe if you posted under another name you wouldn’t start off in such a foul and teed off frame of mind. How about something like ‘waterlily’ or ‘butterflies are free’?

  36. Disgusted said on 20 Jan 2011 at 6:25 pm:
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    …or Doug.

  37. Doug Brown said on 20 Jan 2011 at 11:29 pm:
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    Then I would be disgusted and you would be an optical delusion.

  38. Disgusted said on 21 Jan 2011 at 5:41 pm:
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    …more like scintillation.

  39. Disgusted said on 21 Jan 2011 at 5:42 pm:
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    I win.

  40. Doug Brown said on 21 Jan 2011 at 7:24 pm:
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    You mean “Doug” wins?

  41. Disgusted said on 21 Jan 2011 at 7:26 pm:
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    FINALLY!!! Delegate Bob “Social Re-engineer” Marshall finally submitted his get the gays outa the guard bill, right at the deadline. Please refer to HB 2474. I was starting to doubt his commitment, but he didn’t let me down. This is going to be GREAT on-line video when they debate this one!!! @Doug, this is right in your’s and @Greg’s wheelhouse!!

    Prediction: Passes the HOD 59 - 41. Rejected in the Senate 22-18. BVBL die hards go insane - 100% certain.

  42. Doug Brown said on 23 Jan 2011 at 2:26 pm:
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    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?111+ful+HB2474

    @Disgusted, a most gracious loser,

    How one responds to finding oneself in an infinite loop is a tell-tale sign of not only the source of the error but the mental health of the individual.

    Now that we have established why ‘Disgusted’ has hidden himself out in his own little closet on Greg’s blog to call out epithets and curses at whoever entertains the effrontery to question the culturally correct position on Homosexual behavior, perhaps he can explain to us why homosexual conduct has been given the status of a protective behavior in modern day American culture?

    I think Delegate Marshall’s Bill is a good start if it helps to reopen a closed debate about Homosexuality as an act vs. an attribute. After all, HB2474 focuses the discussion on Homosexual conduct rather than Homosexual rights. Unfortunately, DADT was a disastrous concession on principle to which most conservatives who embraced it were oblivious. It might have been difficult, but allowing Homosexual conduct in the military during the Clinton years may have been the better course, it would have allowed a more natural and honest working out of the associated problems.

    Coding in Homosexuality into the military code of conduct which DADT did was an infinite loop just waiting to play itself out, and hence we have ‘Disgusted’ in a closet on BVLI.

  43. Disgusted said on 24 Jan 2011 at 6:50 pm:
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    @Doug

    I think it is quite telling that Mr. Marshall can’t garner a single co-patron in a chamber populated and controlled by conservatives and Republicans that demonstrate a consistent adherence to those principles. In police work, it’s called a clue. In engineering, we call it an out-lier in the data to be discarded. I’m sure you all will build a nice big statue for him when you all finally get your Conservative States of America up and running.

    Now, lets debate HJ 557, Big Bob’s bill to establish “a joint subcommittee to study whether the Commonwealth should adopt a currency to serve as an alternative to the currency distributed by Federal Reserve System in the event of a major breakdown of the Federal Reserve System.” Now THAT’S a useful spending of your tax money! Couldn’t one of those well-funded neo-con think tanks be persuaded to fund that nonsense? I bet he tried and they said no. Defend that one @Doug! Your ilk goes on ad nauseum about nonsensical waste of tax dollars, why not this? Again, not a single co-patron. Out-lier.

    The way Marshall goes on, one gets the impression of a grown man throwing a legislative temper tantrum because the rest of Virginia doesn’t agree with his small (& lonely) corner of the world. Go give him a hug @Doug.

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