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Proposed Redistricting Map for PWC

By Greg L | 21 March 2011 | Prince William County | 20 Comments

And finally, there’s a proposed redistricting map up for Prince William County.  What a whopper!

Click here to get a gander, and hold on to your hat!



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20 Comments

  1. Greg L said on 21 Mar 2011 at 8:32 pm:
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    The 8 district alternative is posted at http://www.pwcgov.org/docLibrary/PDF/13947.pdf

    I don’t expect the board will want to spend the money to go to 8 districts, but it’s a possibility. Note the new district would surround Manassas City, which would set up some very interesting possibilities…

  2. Riley said on 22 Mar 2011 at 7:08 am:
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    The 8 district plan would cost $1 million in start up its first year for the 8th district and (minimum) $600K in annual ongoing expenses. That’s at least $6.4 million over the next ten years. That money would either have to come from a tax increase on residents or a cut in existing services — neither option is currently acceptable. Furthermore, when you consider that adding an 8th district only reduces the target population of each district from approx. 57,000 to 50,000 (and most districts are either near or over 57,000 right now anyway) the cost-benefit analysis on this is clear.

  3. Mom22 said on 22 Mar 2011 at 7:37 am:
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    OK - I’m really confused. Look at Nokesville where the two ^ noting polling places are located. One of those is Nokesville Elementary and the other is Brentsville High School. Both are “drawn” in the boundaries for Brentsville District, but Brentsville High School is listed as a polling place in Coles District. I realize that the Brentsville voting district isn’t in the area beside the high school, but what does that mean from a school board standpoint - are families whose children attend Brentsville High School split with some in Coles and others in Brentsville?

  4. anona said on 22 Mar 2011 at 9:18 am:
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    Mom22
    There are several places in the county where people vote in one precinct just across the line but live in another precinct, sometimes even in a different district right on the line. Right now Glenkirk is in that situation with people living in the “GlenKirk precinct” of the “Gainesville District” but voting at GlenKirk Elementary which is actually in the Brentsville precinct. It is just a matter of finding a convenient location for people to vote.

    As far as the school, almost all the high schools are split right now and school boundaries have nothing to do with precinct boundaries. Schools are frequently used as voting places. Currently, OP has students from Coles and Brentsville precincts; Battlefield has students from Brentsville and Gainesville precincts; Stonewall Jackson has students from Gainesville and Brentsville precincts.

  5. Austin said on 22 Mar 2011 at 9:22 am:
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    Eight districts leave traditional neighborhoods like Brentsville together. It would cost money, but we get better representation. We can get back some money by cutting descretionary funds of each Supervisor. The Chair only casts votes in tiebreakers and sets agenda in this system.
    The seven district version leaves Brentsville High School in Coles. Gill ends up with only the new school in his district. Marty picks up a large chunk of rural cresent.

  6. anona said on 22 Mar 2011 at 10:28 am:
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    Austin
    It is actually the opposite with the maps the county just put out. Keeping 7 districts leaves all of Brentsville together. It is adding the 8th district that splits off part of Brentsville and confuses everything.

    However, in both versions, Brentsville High School remains in the Brentsville District. In the 8th district version, Coles District residents would vote at Brentsville HS however the high school itself would still physically located in Brentsville Magist. District boundaries.

    By adding an 8th District version, the bottom half of what is currently the Brentsville precinct would go to the Coles District (they would vote across the line at the high school). The upper half of what is currently the Brentsville precinct would merge with what is now the Nokesville precinct and vote at Nokesville elementary school.

    With an 8th district, this would mean the actual historical Brentsville (the courthouse and jail) would be in the Nokesville precinct but in the Brentsville Magist. District. It creates a tongue twister.

    And the Brentsville Precinct would contain neither the historial Brentsville nor the high school and it would go to the Coles District. Maybe they should change the name because it would be confusing to live in the Brentsville Precinct but be in the Coles District.

    It would probably be smarter to change the name of the Brentsville precinct to something else to avoid confusion with residents.

    What is far more interesting to me is the 8th district and how that was created. It looks like it could possibly be a pick up for democrats. With the exception of Buckhall and Signal Hill, all the other precincts vote heavily democratic.

  7. anona said on 22 Mar 2011 at 10:30 am:
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    So sorry Austin,

    I got that backwards when looking at the maps I printed out. You are completely correct that adding the 8th district keeps Brentsville together.

    But Brentsville High scHool still remains in the Brentsville no matter what the decision is.

  8. Anonymous said on 22 Mar 2011 at 11:59 am:
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    Isn’t the eighth district being proposed because of an increase in population? Shouldn’t an increase in population result in more tax revenue, without raising the tax rates? If it hasn’t, why hasn’t it?

  9. Anonymous said on 22 Mar 2011 at 12:02 pm:
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    The seven district plan appears to split communities of interest, such as Sudley and West Gate of Lomond. Eight districts is the only fair and equitable way to go.

  10. Austin said on 22 Mar 2011 at 2:37 pm:
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    Brentsville High School is in Brentsville Precint. The cutoff looks to be Fitzwater and Aden, which would put the school outside the district.

  11. Riley said on 22 Mar 2011 at 2:49 pm:
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    Anon - yes more population = more tax revenue, but adding an 8th Dist won’t magically create more than we have now.

  12. Riley said on 22 Mar 2011 at 2:52 pm:
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    Some of this discussion highlights the folly of using city / town / mailing address names for the names of magisterial districts.

  13. Mom22 said on 22 Mar 2011 at 3:32 pm:
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    For plan 7, on the picture Brentsville High school is in Brentsville District, but people who vote at Brentsville High school will be part of the Coles District.

    That means that, from a school board standpoint, Brentsville High School will have two school board members - the Brentsville member and the Coles member. Families who live in the newly expanded Coles district and have children who attend Brentsville High School will vote for and be represented by the Coles member. If they live in the newly smaller Brentsville district and their children attend Brentsville High School, they’ll vote for the Brentsville member.

    Same with Nokesville Elementary.

  14. Riley said on 22 Mar 2011 at 3:53 pm:
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    FYI, the 8 Dist plan splits communities of interest in the east. Eagles Pointe on Rt 1 would be the only community on Rt 1 to be part of the Neabsco Dist, most of which is on the other side of I-95. The problems with splitting communities under the 7 Dist plan can be rectified without having to create an 8th Dist at a 10 year cost of $6.5 million+.

  15. anona said on 22 Mar 2011 at 5:25 pm:
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    After looking at both plans more closely, you could say that each plan cut up some neighborhoods and unites other neighborhoods. For example, having only 7 districts might cut up Brentsville and the Sudley areas but it brings together the Glen Kirk and more of the Potomac areas. And even with 8 districts, the Sudley area is still cut up. Having 7 districts also unifies the water areas of mid county which makes sense.

    If it didn’t cost anything to do 8 districts, I could lean towards that solution. However with the huge price tag in tight economic times, I think it is smarter to stay with 7 districts. Whether you have 50,000 or 57,000 people in a district, you are still going to get about the same level of service. Some of the supervisors have handled having 70,000-80,000 residents now and even though it is tough, they are still getting the job done. To those supervisors, having 57,000 will seem as easy as pie.

  16. Jaspar said on 22 Mar 2011 at 5:47 pm:
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    Congressman Jim Moron Steamed About NPR Defunding

    http://www.arlnow.com/2011/03/22/moran-steamed-about-npr-defunding/comment-page-1/

  17. Ronald said on 23 Mar 2011 at 12:50 am:
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    In the first one, is the town of Occoquan drawn out of both the precinct of Occoquan and the Magisterial district of Occoquan?

  18. Riley said on 23 Mar 2011 at 11:02 am:
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    Correct. It sets up a Principi vs. Porta primary.

  19. anon. said on 24 Mar 2011 at 7:14 pm:
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    Two points are being lost in the argument that it is too expensive to create a new district:

    1. Creating another district will provide better representation to existing neighborhoods with very distinct issues that very different from the prevailing issues of the Gainesville, Brentsville and Coles districts. Yorkshire for example, does not identify with, and shares little in coomon with the majority of people in Brentsville or Coles districts. Sudley, Loch Lomond, West Gate and the commercial areas on the west side of Manassas are also very different from the balance of Gainesville. Redevelopment is the issues in the proposed eighth district. It needs representation that can focus on this issues of property maintanance, reinvestment and revitalization. Our present representation would probably welcome the ability to focus on the issues most common to their existing districts. Isn’t maintaining adequate representation part of the mandate of good government?

    2. Does it really cost $1 million to set up an office and $600,000 to run a supervisors’ office. That kind of overhead for a two or three person shop seems a little steep. Wouldn’t there be some cost savings by redistributing work from the other seven districts?

  20. Ronald said on 24 Mar 2011 at 9:44 pm:
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    If they want to add a new seat, they should eliminated the at-large Chairman position

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