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Manassas Tea Party Goes Local

By Greg L | 27 April 2011 | Manassas City | 43 Comments

The Manassas Tea Party is opposing tax hikes in the Manassas City budget and making some very interesting arguments in favor of fiscal restraint during a time when we’re not really sure when local economic conditions are actually going to recover.  A tax hike right now isn’t going to be popular, and it certainly isn’t any more popular when the rationale for the hike includes a number of what might be considered non-core functions of government.  Not content with simply talking about national and state issues, the Manassas Tea Party is taking the tea party movement to the local level and challenging Republicans to justify their actions when they stray from conservative principles.

This is another salvo in a continuing battle among conservatives and moderates in Manassas, but this time the Tea Party movement is carrying the flag.  That could make a big difference.

The City Council has heard our concerns about their budget that calls for higher taxes for individuals and businesses. We had a good turnout at the Council meeting on Monday night and many people spoke out against the current budget and asked the Council to go back the to the drawing board and find ways to cut unnecessary spending at a time when families and businesses are struggling.

Keep up the pressure! We have talked to many citizens who were unaware of the pending tax increases. And we found many residents don’t like the fact some members of the Council are telling people these are small increases. Some increases may be small (others will be signficant) but they are on top of rising assessments, current taxes, rising utility rates, rising gas and food costs and in an unstable economy. Tell the Council that raising taxes on individuals and businesses will only hurt our local economy by keeping money out of our pockets and prohibit small businesses from thriving and hiring more. Tell the Council that their programs can’t be funded on the backs of the citizens during this economy!

What you can do:

  • Attend the Council’s Budget Work Session tonight — 5:30 pm in the second floor conference room at 9027 Center Street. This is an open meeting and while public comment is not part of this meeting, your presence means a lot. The Council needs to know we are watching and they need to be transparent with their bosses — us!
  • Call and email each member of the City Council. Let them know you reject the idea of higher taxes and the current system. Click here to send an email to all members of the Council and tell them you oppose a higher tax rate and higher BPOL taxes.

For a list of members of the City Council and their phone numbers, click here. Be sure to thank Councilman Marc Aveni who has been the lone member to fight this budget and the higher taxes!

Also, we’ve heard over the past week or so that the Tea Party is “against public safety” because of the proposed additional police officers and fire and resuce personnel in the budget. Nothing could be further from the truth. We oppose the way the additional personnel were inserted in the budget at the 11th hour without giving council members the ability to consider this large expense when other items were being negotiated, and we call on the Council to find cuts in order to fund additional police.

Tonight’s meeting should be rather interesting.



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43 Comments

  1. VRC said on 27 Apr 2011 at 2:15 pm:
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    While the proposed tax increases are overall not egregious they are still increases at a time when most residents are hurting financially, and some hurting a lot. While the average increase on single family homes is $68, some will be paying much more than that. Also, owners of townhomes will see a 6.4% increase. That is nothing to sneeze at. Then there’s a $.15 increase on cigarettes. When did Manassas City Council get in the “sin tax” business? If cigarettes are going to be taxes based on their being a vice, why aren’t we taxing porn? The BPOL tax increase is a terrible idea and now that PWC is raising their taxes, this is a great opportunity to show business owners that the city is the place to be.

    City council needs to understand that the populace at large has little appetite for pay higher taxes right now and find cuts across the board. If Obama can be defeated next year, our dynamic free market economy will come back and we’ll have an environment in which we there will be room for city-funded growth projects.

  2. Anonymous said on 27 Apr 2011 at 4:36 pm:
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    Where is the Tea Party on the tax increase vote by the Prince William County Board of Supervisors last night?

    Why is the County Tea Party so quiet on that vote?

  3. Dan Arnold said on 27 Apr 2011 at 6:13 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    Manassas Tea Party only has so many arms. My understanding was that PWC Tea Party was going to be fighting the BOCS plan to raise taxes. I’ll have to reach out to them to find out what was done.

  4. Bud said on 27 Apr 2011 at 8:14 pm:
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    Go manassas tea party!!
    Its about time the council gets the message that we are not an unlimited funding source.

    The last time I looked at the tea party site the last update was election time.
    I sent an email and never got a response, figured it was inactive.

    Had i known I would have been at the meeting.
    It got old real quick only being 1 of 2 or 3 to show up at council meetings expressing displeasure at the constant raiding of my wallet.

    2001 - $1600 real estate tax
    2010 - $3550 same house and its not enough

  5. TEA FOR ME said on 27 Apr 2011 at 8:32 pm:
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    I support your local efforts too Manassas Tea Party, but other than Councilman Aveni I think the rest of the Council is drunk on the Obama Kool Aide and spending like no tomorrow! I don’t think the council is hearing you from what I see and read in the local paper and blogs, it is time for a local Tea Party candidate to run for office!

  6. Anonymous said on 27 Apr 2011 at 8:46 pm:
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    I am hearing from folks present at the mark up session tonight that things did not go our way. The BPOL increases are still in but now you need to make more net as a small business to have to be eligible? Also the $250,000 funny money for the council and school retreat called Manassas What Next survived and the Fire Chief evidently called the mayor a liar over a volunteer fire company and career fire vote, sorry I missed it! Maybe someone who was there can post?

  7. Oakenshaw said on 27 Apr 2011 at 8:57 pm:
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    @VRC

    Maureen Wood was quoted in the paper today saying if you add the increase in the value or assessment of your Manassas home (~6%) to the existing tax rate folks are paying in the City it is a lot more than a 1% increase in single family homes taxes they are saying is no big deal.

  8. Maureen said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:01 pm:
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    Well folks the council didn’t change their mind on the budget tonight.

    There were a couple of concessions though.

    One was that they replaced one paid battalion chief position with a volunteer. The interim chief from PWC stood up after the vote and stated that the volunteer Cheif wasn’t truthful in his answers to council and the voluteers do not meet the criteria to become a battalion Cheif. His parting words right before he walked out were, the way this council voted tonight leaves the city open to liability suits. This was so unbecoming of a public servant to denigrate a volunteer this way. I was flabbergasted to say the least. I’m also glad that today was his last day as our chief.

    The other big change was the BPOL tax. I came late so I’m not 100% sure what happened nut I think the consession they made to that was they raised the income threshold that would be taxed.

    I typed this from my phone so please disregard any spelling or grammatical errors.

  9. King George said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:02 pm:
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    Harrover has them all under his control except for Mark Aveni

  10. Maureen said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:05 pm:
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    The interim chief called the volunteer Cheif a liar.

  11. Maureen said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:11 pm:
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    I took the liberty of taking this off of Vice Mayor Harrovers blog, as ge explains my two points much better than I.

    “There were 2 changes made to the money side of the budget.  The first was to convert one Batallion Chief position to be filled by a volunteer.  This was unexpectedly contentious and there may be more work done on the position to ensure that the Council is getting what we expect to get. 

    The second was to triple the BPOL exemption to $150k to help small businesses grow.”

    http://harrover.com/wordpress/?p=1274#respond

  12. Riley said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:21 pm:
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    Anon 4:36 –

    The PWC Tea Party Patriots have been VERY active on the county budget and released this statement after its adoption.

    http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/pwc-tea-party-patriots-statement-on-adoption-of-county-budget/

  13. Anonymous said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:35 pm:
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    John Way made a motion to take money away from Carenet in the nonprofit budget because he said they are Christian organization. There was no mention or problem with Wolfe’s Ballet though.

  14. Greg L said on 27 Apr 2011 at 9:50 pm:
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    If the PWC Tea Party was active in the county prior to budget adoption, that’s news to me. Manassas was sending out emails trying to get people to the meetings and got press recognition for their efforts. If the PWC folks were doing the same, I must have missed it.

  15. Maureen said on 28 Apr 2011 at 4:32 am:
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    @ Anonymous

    To be fair to Way he did that because our city attorney gave his opinion that they were affiliated with a church. However , there are other organizations that the city is giving money to that I believe are also affiliated with churches and they still were funded.

  16. Mary said on 28 Apr 2011 at 6:43 am:
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    @ Maureen

    The attorney and council wanted to get back at Aveni because carenet is a prolife group.

  17. VA_Magoo said on 28 Apr 2011 at 7:37 am:
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    PWC Tea Party did address the BOCS, we only got two of the Supervisors to vote with us. My big questions is WHY in the HECK is the PWC Executive making more money than the Governor? I think it is high time we re-evaluate the County payroll budget.

    April 27, 2011

    Dear Tea Party Patriots:

    As you are aware the Prince William Board of Supervisors approved a nearly $900 million budget on April 26th. The budget passed on a 6-2 vote with Supervisors Mike May and John Stirrup voting against it. They also voted against the Capital Improvement Plan (CIP). The new tax rate starting July 1 will be $1.204 per $100 of assessed property value. This was lower than what was proposed by Melissa Preacor, County Executive. Incidentally, Ms. Preacor has a base salary of $210,000 vs. Governor McDonnell’s salary of $175,000. If you checked your recent property assessment notice you will more than likely find it went up from 3% to as much as 30% from 2010. So let there be no doubt in your mind that the increase in the budget is coming directly from you.

    We wish to thank the many PWC tea party members who contacted Chairman Stewart and/or their local Supervisor to expressed their concerns and in some cases outrage at this tax and spend mentality. We were represented at the final budget hearing by five members of our tea party. Yale Schiffman, Deputy Chair spoke on behalf of the tea party. Tom Whitmore followed up on the article we recently sent you. Valerie Bond, Joanne Abbott and Chuck Jenks provided moral support to our speakers.

    Chairman Stewart went on the attack after all citizen presentations came to a close. He was rather dismissive of the suggestion that we not undertake all the capital improvements at this time. He used the argument that it would cost more to borrow money and complete projects in the future. We don’t buy that that line of reasoning. There isn’t any precise way to accurately predict the economic future. Chairman Stewart recognized that the state is supposed to build the roads. Yet, he was willing to let them off the hook and put the burden of making the road improvements on our backs. We’ve already paid the state via taxes and fees for the funds necessary for the road improvements. The Governor’s transportation plan allocated funds for Prince William County for roads. There was no need to raise our taxes to cover this cost. Chairman Stewart went on to make the point that building trails and expanding parks was a quality of life issue. It seemed like it was essential to him to make this happen. I guess your quality of life does not extend to paying your mortgage and dealing with the ever rising cost of food and gas. Chairman Stewart is playing Russian roulette with the budget process. He is hoping that the economy will continue to improve. We all hope for that. But the statistics on the condition of the housing market do not paint such a rosy picture. Median Sales prices over the past year are down 3.4%. In March 2011, they are down 7.4%. (Source: MRIS). The county relies on its real estate tax base to fund its budget. If Prince William County’s leadership continues this trend to spend and spend and spend into the future, you can do the math. Your taxes will continue to rise.

    The only good news to report is that two Supervisors – Mike May of Occoquan and John Stirrup of Gainesville not only understand the tea party message but have the backbone to stand up to Chairman Stewart and the rest of the tax and spend Board. They voted against the Budget and the Capital Improvement Plan. They went as far as offering an alternative motion for a lower tax rate that would remove the markups including trails and libraries as well as some staff positions. Chairman Stewart was not happy and referred to Mike May’s motion as an unfriendly motion. As someone who is familiar with Robert’s Rules of Order, it is my opinion that it was not necessary to do that, except to show his displeasure at being challenged. Our hats are off to these two patriots. They deserve all the support we can give them during this upcoming election season. We want them to know that doing the “right thing” can have positive results.

    Nancy and Yale Schiffman

    Prince William County Tea Party Patriots

  18. Dave Core said on 28 Apr 2011 at 7:58 am:
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    As a volunteer and financial supporter of CareNet PRC, I would have liked to see the City donate some money to the Centers. They provide an excellent service to women (and men) in terms of pre-natal care, maternal and infant supplies, and most importantly care for the spiritual well being of clients all at no charge. And let’s not forget they have helped women make the right choice to save their babies.

    I’ve not seen the Mark-Up list of charities that are supported and I hope that CareNet was not signaled out simply because of its being a Christian organization. CareNet has expenses like any other nonprofit and they have little to do with being a Christian organization. If the City values the services it provides and saves the City thousands of dollars a year (or at least PW Hospital that receives City funding, correct?), then why not provide a small donation.

    BUT faith-based organizations have been around for millenia and have survived without any government support. And will continue to thrive especially if the people who run them and volunteer for them do this to show their love for God and neighbors.

  19. Lindy said on 28 Apr 2011 at 8:46 am:
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    Indeed there are other organizations that the City is giving money to that are affiliates of christian churches, specifically Manassas Church of the Brethren. A long list of “non-profit” affiliates such as SERVE, which under contract with the City of Manassas receives $98,000 annually and will probably be receiving more as the Emergency Family Shelter is under construction for a new addition with family rooms. This request was introduced to the Finance Committee last week so more to come.

    Also, take a look at the Brethren Housing Corporation and affiliates and how long this city has ’served’ this non-profit which is directly affiliated with the Manassas Church of the Brethren, which is a christian church, according to the church home page.

    Perhaps the city attorney has a new definition for the word christian and has based his opinion on it. Then again, there may be qualifiers involved to determine how christian a non-profit is or isn’t to be considered as deserving of a helping hand. Clearly, the moral aspect of life is involved with the CARENET issue.

    What a shame to determine helping women and their unborn children as being “christian” an offense to ones senses. It seems IF a child makes it out of the womb alive, then is the time to do the christian thing in helping those in need. I wonder what would Jesus do??

  20. VRC said on 28 Apr 2011 at 9:03 am:
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    When did Corey Stewart become a RINO? The guy just took all of his past great work pushing solutions to the illegal alien problem in the county and nullified it politically! If Corey has his eyes set on higher office he didn’t do himself or his base any favors with this escapade. John Stirrup for president!

  21. Riley said on 28 Apr 2011 at 10:11 am:
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    Greg,

    They sent out this email on Sun, 4/24 (Easter):

    April 24, 2011

    Dear Friends and Tea Partiers,

    Enclosed is an article in the today’s New and Messenger by Tom Whitmore. Tom is a member of the PWCTPP. Please take a few minutes to read it and respond to your local Supervisor and Chairman, Corey Stewart (telephone numbers & e-mail list enclosed). This is an urgent request let them know how you feel before Tuesday, April 26th when the budget will be passed.

    Tom has done an excellent job of showing us how our Board of Supervisors have become big tax and spend elected officials. Their approach to the County’s budget is similar to the mind-set that reminds us of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

    Putting Real Estate tax money into capital improvements, primarily roads is an inappropriate expenditure of our property tax money. Roads are the responsibility of the State through the Department of Transportation (VDOT). In fact, the Governor as reported that there will be an increase in road expenditures in Prince William County. Local road building to benefit developers leads to a surplus of housing. This makes it more difficult to sell existing inventory. It also transfers money where its needed such as public safety and other County services.

    In closing, please forward this e:mail to family and friends that live in Prince William County and urge them to contact their Supervisor and Chairman Corey Stewart before April 26th . Let them know with telephone calls and e:mails that you want them be responsible with your tax money.

    Nancy Schiffman, PWC Tea Party

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    Prince William County Board of Supervisors Contact Info
    Chairman: Corey Stewart Phone: 703-792-4640
    E-mail: cstewart@pwcgov.org

    Dumfries Supervisor: Maureen Caddigan Phone: 703-792-4645
    E-mail: mcaddigan@pwcgov.org

    Brentsville Supervisor: Wally Covington Phone: 703-792-6190
    E-mail: wcovington@pwcgov.org

    Coles Supervisor: Marty Nohe Phone: 703-792-4620
    E-mail: mnohe@pwcgov.org

    Gainesville Supervisor: John Stirrup Phone: 703-792-6195
    E-mail: gainesville@pwcgov.org

    Neabsco Supervisor: John Jenkins Phone: 703-792-4668
    E-mail: jjenkins@pwcgov.org

    Occoquon Supervisor: Mike May Phone: 703-792-4643
    E-mail: mcmay@pwcgov.org

    Woodbridge Supervisor: Frank Principi Phone: 703-792-4646
    E-mail: fprincipi@pwcgov.org

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    From News and Messenger 04/24/2011, Page A09

    How the county got in this tax mess

    Personally Speaking

    Tom Whitmore Prince William County is faced with yet another round of proposed spending and tax increases, of up to 3.5 percent, while still in a recession.

    How can that be? Let’s take a look back and see how we got here .

    The year is 2001, 9/11 is behind us, and the Prince William Board of County Supervisors is embarking on a record breaking tax-and-spend spree. By the close of 2006 they have spent $839 mil lion on capital improvements, mostly roads, many of which aided developers in a population explosion that would grow the county’s population by 43.5 percent (3.5 times Virginia’s rate) by 2010 and put immense strains on the school system, other programs and infrastruc ture. During this period, real estate taxes nearly doubled; this was accomplished under the cover of runaway property values during the “housing bubble.”

    Enter 2007 and things were feeling un comfortable, the foreclosure rate was up twentyfold, home prices were beginning to soften and the BOCS still continued to move forward on a new capital improve ment, spending plan. This time they were aiming to spend $844 million on more roads that would benefit developers, more than you or I, and do some other infrastructure projects.

    Then 2008 arrived and delivered a knockout punch to the housing market and home values. The foreclosure rate skyrocketed to 100 times the early 2006 level. Property values plummeted, some declining by more than 70 percent.

    The BOCS had a choice to make. Deliv er some significant tax relief, or not. They chose “not,” they figured that tax bills, if left at the inflated 2006/2007 levels, would support the continued spending for their infrastructure projects. Besides, the pain would more than likely be short lived and we would probably bounce back quickly. Well, they were wrong.

    In 2011, how do things look now? The real estate market is coming back slowly; foreclosures have abated markedly; jobs are improving and the BOCS has a new plan. They want to set the new tax rate so that bills go up 3.5 percent, but are slightly lower than the outrageous taxes of 2007 and 2009, and then blast forward with yet another round of infrastructure improvements, $744 million worth this time, $170 million in 2012 alone. I should also mention, that none of these rounds of spending, $839M, $844M and $744M include schools or school improvements, that spending is in a completely different part of the total budget.

    In my opinion, I think it is wrong, in these economic times, to go forward with another round of taxing and spending; instead I believe the right thing to do, is to provide some “significant” tax relief to the taxpayers of PWC. My reasons are : Real estate taxes will still be up more than 80 percent from 2000 levels and yet inflation for the same period is up only 26.6 percent .

    As of March, nearly half the homes in PWC are still “underwater,” more being owed on them than they are worth .

    Home values are still down 40 percent on average, while many are off as much as 67 percent .

    The foreclosure rate, although im proved, is still at 20 times early 2006 levels .

    Unemployment, although lower than the state level, is still high for Prince William. At 5.7 percent, it is more than double the average from 2000 to 2006 .

    The fiscal tenor in the entire state, indeed the entire country, is toward resetting budget clocks to an earlier pre bubble time, make the necessary cuts to do so, and move on from there .

    After a wholly unreasonable run-up in real estate tax levels from 2000 going forward, the BOCS has yet to offer truly significant tax relief to the taxpayers of Prince William County. In light of what turned out to be an unsustainable bub ble in the housing market, and given that the run-up is still more than 3 times the inflation rate, any increases are unjusti fied and unreasonable in their own right. The situation in Prince William is still tenuous and the fear of rising interest rates and inflation that the Board gives as reason to move forward on spending and raising taxes are very good reasons why the taxpayers should receive a long overdo and significant tax cut.

    It has been shown over and over again that, when coming out of hard times, tax cuts stimulate and grow the economy, while tax increases dampen and tighten the economy .

    The total budget is up 22 percent, hav ing been enhanced with extra funds from the state and the federal government; this is a perfect time to ease the burden on the taxpayers .

    Tom Whitmore is a Manassas resident

    and this one that same night:

    April 24, 2011

    Dear Friends and Tea Partiers,

    I recently sent you an earlier message about the PWC Budget. I can’t urge you strongly enough to contact your Supervisor and Chairman Corey Stewart to review and perhaps modify the Budget before voting on it Tuesday, April 26th . In case you didn’t receive my earlier message, I am re-sending it again. There are several good talking points in Tom’s article. We need to burn up the telephones and fill up the in boxes.

    The Board of Supervisors will be meeting at 2:00 p.m. at the McCoart Bldg and if you can, be prepared to speak on this issue at the citizen time.

    Enclosed is an article in the today’s New and Messenger by Tom Whitmore. Please take a few minutes to read it and respond to your local Supervisor and Chairman, Corey Stewart (telephone numbers & e-mail list enclosed). This is an urgent request let them know how you feel before Tuesday, April 26th when the budget will be passed.

    Tom has done an excellent job of showing us how our Board of Supervisors have become big tax and spend elected officials. Their approach to the County’s budget is similar to the mind-set that reminds us of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

    Putting Real Estate tax money into capital improvements, primarily roads is an inappropriate expenditure of our property tax money. Roads are the responsibility of the State through the Department of Transportation (VDOT). In fact, the Governor has reported that there will be an increase in road expenditures in Prince William County. Local road building to benefit developers leads to a surplus of housing. This makes it more difficult to sell existing inventory. It also transfers our property tax money away from vital County services such as public safety.

    In closing, please forward this e-mail to family and friends that live in Prince William County and urge them to contact their Supervisor and Chairman Corey Stewart before April 26th . Let them know with telephone calls and e-mails that you want them to be responsible with your tax money.

    Nancy Schiffman, PWC Tea Party

    Additional Talking Points

    · In the last ten years the BOS have spent over $1.6 Billion in capital improvement projects; including additional school spending. Much of this has been for the benefit of builders/developers in the name of growth.
    · We have been growing at a rate of 43.5% rate. We have not caught up from the last spurt of growth. Some of our school children are still in trailers.
    · Building roads that open up more residential development is unthinkable. We need to bring in more high employment businesses to the County.
    · Home values are down 40% on average, with many down 67%.
    · Right now 47.4%, nearly half of all homes in Prince William County are under water, with their value being less than the outstanding mortgage.
    · Over 10% of our homes have gone into foreclosure.
    · Gasoline and fuel prices have more than doubled in the last couple of years, with food prices right behind.
    · Holding the line on taxes supports the historic budget adopted by the Virginia Legislature and Governor as well as the efforts on Capitol Hill to cut Federal spending.
    · Our local economy is still fragile. A Tax Bill Cut will send the much needed message of hope needed to jump start our recover.

    and this one on Monday afternoon, 4/25:

    April 25, 2011

    Dear Tea Party Patriots:

    Now for something on the serious side. We don’t often hear back from you when we send out an E-mail. Most often it is because don’t ask for a response. I will try to make this easy. I have two questions. Please answer by checking the appropriate box and click on the return button. This would be very helpful.

    1. I contacted the BOCS about the county’s 2011/2012 budget. [ ] Yes [ ] No

    2. I will attend the BOCS Budget Hearing on April 26. [ ] Yes [ ] No

    Nancy Schiffman
    Chair PWCTPP

  22. ManassasCityResident said on 28 Apr 2011 at 10:53 am:
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    Maureen, I respect your opinion, but you are 100% wrong on the Chief issue. The volunteers have continually lied to the City. They are appreciated and there is a place for them, but not at the head of the line. This vote has left the City at a disadvantage. Remember, this whole issue started because PWC brought the issue to the attention of the City and threatened to end mutual aid if volunteers didn’t start staffing equipment and stop showing up on scenes with one or two fireman on a piece of equipment. Then the City found out the Volunteer Chief was running calls in his buggy on some nights because the house was unstaffed. I hate to say it, but the volunteers have pulled the wool over the Council’s eyes and I hope it isn’t discovered after the death of a fireman or citizen. FYI, I am not affiliated with either party, volunteers or career staff. Although I have been involved in the fire service for many years.

  23. Uneducated said on 28 Apr 2011 at 1:07 pm:
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    The Tea Party needs to back off the public safety issues. The City of Manassas is woefully under served by the current fire and EMS system. Changes in staffing (career and volunteer) should have been made 10 years ago. Core issues like this should be left out of the anti-tax debate. Sorry to say the interim chief is correct. Hopefully the new chief can clarify the needs and move the system out of the 19th century.

    The attacks on Corey are also outrageous. This man has supported the Tea Party and Rule of Law crowd for years, and now is a target. What the hell are you thinking folks!

  24. Anonymous said on 28 Apr 2011 at 2:22 pm:
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    @ uneducated

    Who died and made you the judge of all things fire and rescue in the City and County?

    You would have folks believe that the volunteers in the City are all untrained bozos and if it were not for the career staff added a couple of years ago at great cost (look at the fire levy increases year by year) we would all burn in our homes? False!

    The career side does not want to play nice in the sandbox but rather wants to edge out the volunteers at every turn and some members of the Council are dumb enough to go along for the ride on the taxpayers back.

    Another thing, just because Corey (or anyone for that matter) has done some good things does not mean he gets a free pass forever. He messed up when he raised taxes and I am glad the Tea Party called him out on it.

  25. Uneducated said on 28 Apr 2011 at 4:17 pm:
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    Anonymous,

    Wow you put so many words in my mouth, I don’t know where to start. I never made any slights towards the volunteers. I stated that both sides of the house needed updating years ago, and it still has not happened. Your response is typical of the backwards thinking that is Manassas City Fire and EMS. On the judge comment, I would think 25 plus years (and still going) on the line give me somewhere to start.

    On the Corey comment, your math is off, taxes are lower now than they were in 2007 when he took office. Three years of savings with a single year increase is acceptable. I’m guessing he will be rewarded at the polls by the middle of the road voters.

  26. Mommy said on 28 Apr 2011 at 5:55 pm:
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    I just filled up my tank - $48 bucks for a Taurus - thanks for nothing!

  27. Maureen said on 28 Apr 2011 at 7:16 pm:
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    I’m now paying almost 60.00 to fill my escape.

    @manassascityresident- I plan on attending the fire/rescue meetings to educate myself. What ever is going on did not excuse how chief McLease acted at the meeting Monday night and he should be embarrassed about how he comported himself. He could have pulled the Mayor aside and told him of his concerns. He also could have stated publicly he had concerns but he chose to basically call the volunteer chief a liar. Very unproffessional.

    I would bet that there is truth somewhere in the middle of what is being said on both sides if this issue.

    I would like to thank both the paid and volunteer staff for keeping is safe and I hope that the differences can be overcome.

    Disclaimer- it is hard to type this on my phone so anything spelled wrong is the phones fault!

  28. MPResident said on 28 Apr 2011 at 9:38 pm:
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    maureen, I understand your confusion, but as a citizen that doesn’t have a hat in the ring other than my safety and my knowledge of the fire service, this whole issue was started by the volunteers, where I got my start years ago. They could not staff the house and then went on a recruiting binge enrolling whoever they could. Several of the new resruits have DWI’s on their record and far from being qualifued firemen. Anonymous, I take whatever you write with a grain of salt, you are obviously a volunteer unable to get a career job anywhere. As for the current career firefighters from other jurisdictions that are also volunteers in Manassas, you really should be ashamed of yourselves. You know in your hearts you would never let your house in your paid profession be operated the way you have allowed MVFC to be run.

  29. MPResident said on 28 Apr 2011 at 9:41 pm:
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    For the record, I didn’t get my start in MVFC, I started at Station 8 in PWC as a volunteer.

  30. PWC Gal said on 29 Apr 2011 at 3:14 am:
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  31. Maureen said on 29 Apr 2011 at 4:37 am:
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    @mp. How do you know this to be true?

    This is why I am going to go to the meetings so I can see first hand what is going on. If what you say is true, the council should ask or demand that the voluteers show their certification as they have the right to see them

    As a citizen in the city I still find it odd that this all started when more paid
    Professional personnel were being added. I am not saying that you are wrong, but I feel the need to find out the truth for myself since I keep hearing two very different stories being told.

  32. A Fan said on 29 Apr 2011 at 7:49 am:
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    @Maureen

    Please run for Council in 2012!

  33. Civil War Buffy said on 29 Apr 2011 at 7:52 am:
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    I would like to encourage all on this site to contact your elected folks in the City to support the restoration of the historic home on the corner of Prescott and Quarry in Manassas. This home is part of our City History and just as worthy of Tax dollars being spent on it as the 150th Civil War event

  34. anon said on 29 Apr 2011 at 8:14 am:
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    I don’t think a nickle of my tax money should go to a privately owned house an owner refuses to repair.
    I would encourage you to go around ask for donations, $10 from every citizen in Manassas should do it, and go buy the house yourself, setup a foundation and solicit donations for its restoration.
    Good Luck

    Tax money is for basics only!!

  35. ManassasCityResident said on 29 Apr 2011 at 10:03 am:
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    Maureen, I can assure what is being said is true. PW County did conact concerned about staffing by the volunteers and advised them they were considering cancelling the mutual aid contract if something was done. I also know that on several of the high volume nights, New Years and Super Bowl night, the Chief was answering fire alarm calls in his buggy. By the way, I agree with the fan, you should run for council. Just be careful what you take from those meetings. The current council has a bleeding heart for the volunteers and the current Mayor is a life member of the MVFC with a conflict of interest and is controlling everything coming out of those meetings.

  36. Bridge Builder said on 29 Apr 2011 at 10:21 am:
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    Can we all agree that Maureen runs for City Council in 2012, the City gives the same money amount to both Carenet and the Wolf Ballet and that someone starts a private fund to restore the Prescott house?

    Not so sure on Fire and EMS, what ideas are out there?

  37. Bridge Builder said on 29 Apr 2011 at 11:34 am:
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    Can we agree?

    Thank you Tea Party for heads up on tax increases

    Maureen for City Council in 2012

    Carenet and Mark Wolf Ballet get same amount of donations from City

    Private fund set up to restore Prescott Historic Home - no City tax money

    Fire and EMS - what to do???

  38. Uneducated said on 29 Apr 2011 at 12:06 pm:
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    MPResident,

    Not sure what I said led you to believe I’m a “volunteer unable to get a career job anywhere.” Last time I checked my uniform had three bugles on it and says Fairfax County Fire Rescue Department. As I have stated before Manassas City Fire and Rescue is a mess on the career and volunteer side. Hopefully Chief Bowman can fix the mess and move the system forward. I wish him luck, as he will need it on all fronts.

  39. Bridge Builder said on 29 Apr 2011 at 1:23 pm:
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    Can we agree:

    Maureen runs for City Council in 2012 and we all support her;

    Carenet and the Wolf Ballet receive the same amount of City Funds donation;

    Someone (who?) sets up a nonprofit to restore Prescott Avenue historic house so City tax payers do not have to foot the bill.

  40. ManassasCityResident said on 29 Apr 2011 at 2:24 pm:
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    Uneducated, I don’t want to speak out of turn, but I went back and reviewed the comments from MPResident and he was speaking to anonymous when he/she made that comment. It sounds as if you and him/her are on the same page. I know I am except that you are correct they are both a mess but 99% of it is due to the volunteers, not the career staff. And Council is only making it worse. Just my 2 cents.

  41. Maureen said on 29 Apr 2011 at 6:59 pm:
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  42. Anonymous said on 29 Apr 2011 at 7:32 pm:
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    The house ought to be bulldozed down and a WAWA put in place. Can we get the tax payers to fix my house allso? No sane person is going spend a dime on that dump with the section 8 projects next door happening. Maybe Mc Donnel could sell one of those liquer licenses for a store on the corner. It would get good buiseness selling the Aristocrate brand of rubbing alcohal. Good tax dolars to pay for roads in the state.

  43. Love the USA said on 30 Apr 2011 at 12:06 pm:
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    If the libtards on council will spend over $600,000 of our tax money for a four day civil war party tell me why they won’t spend tax money to fix up that house, watch them, they will do it and call it . . . leadership!

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