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By Greg L | 27 March 2012 | Uncategorized | 22 Comments

Lots going on with the SCOTUS hearing on Obamacare, Fairfax schools assigning opposition research duties for OFA to students and such.  Unfortunately, I haven’t had a chance to write about these happenings and more, but that doesn’t stop you from talking about them…

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  1. Anonymous said on 27 Mar 2012 at 8:32 am:
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    Big surprise. Trayvon Martin case turning into another Duke lacrosse case. See today’s Orlando Sentinel for details from the police dept. Zimmerman was getting back in his truck when Martin approached him, decked him, broke his nose and started pounding his head against the pavement. That’s when Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot Martin.

  2. Doug Brown said on 27 Mar 2012 at 9:00 am:
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    And let’s not forget where Al Sharpton first cut his PR teeth - Tawanee Brawley

    Our media and our politicians are a bunch of snake oil salesmen. There are plenty of real cases where Black, Whites, Hispanics, etc., are victims of racist inspired violence, but these little morality plays they put on for us to keep us all hyped up with faux rage should be added to the indictments which either ends up throwing them into the slammer or make them the victim of public lynchings, figuratively speaking.

  3. Colin B. said on 27 Mar 2012 at 10:26 am:
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    I really want to see what you have to say about the stand your ground law, I think it would be a great post. VA is getting more and more low caliber people that I think something like FL’s law will need to be passed (and should) here to let folks defend themselves and their property.

  4. Anonymous said on 27 Mar 2012 at 11:48 am:
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    Let’s just deport all liberals from Virginia to Maryland…

  5. es_la_ley said on 27 Mar 2012 at 6:40 pm:
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    Colin B. said on 27 Mar 2012 at 10:26 am:

    …. I think something like FL’s law will need to be passed (and should) here to let folks defend themselves and their property.

    Virginia *is* a stand-your-ground state, based on Virginia common law going way back.

  6. Maureen said on 27 Mar 2012 at 7:46 pm:
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    Has anyone heard Jackson or Sharpton condemning those that are calling for the killing of Zimmerman? I haven’t.

  7. Citizen12 said on 27 Mar 2012 at 8:47 pm:
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    Doug Brown said on 27 Mar 2012 at 9:00 am:

    Right you are D.B. Many I have asked don’t seem to remember that or the Crown Heights travesty that followed. Big Al got two killed and many injured with his “activism” then, along with his “birth right to riot” speech.

    Sharpton was asked about the violence, he justified it,
    “We must not reprimand our children for outrage, when it is the outrage that was put in them by an oppressive system,” he said.

    And they say Pastor “the almost quran burner” Jones of Florida is one to “inflame public opinion and incite violence.”



  8. park'd said on 28 Mar 2012 at 8:08 am:
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    B@llshiz eslaley. Virginia is a retreat state with no castle law. If someone breaks into your house you can’t even shoot them unless they come after you and you are no longer able to retreat into another locked room. I was hoping the boy wonder AG and new GOP governor would fix that but so far crickets. The west side of Manassas Park has the potential to be a racial powder keg if this Trayvon Martin thing blows up which really has me worried living over here. I hope that the MP government has started to think about things like that but I’m sure it hasn’t even crossed their minds and I’m racist for even suggesting it…

  9. JM said on 28 Mar 2012 at 10:17 am:
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    Fashion Fantasy is going out of business. Both MVC Couple Boutique and $1 Movies have closed. K.K.’s Temptations should be worried, Manassas seems to be losing its appetite for porn.

  10. JM said on 28 Mar 2012 at 10:19 am:
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    @ es-la-ley @ 6:40. That may be true, but for the protection of its citizens, VA should codify stand your ground and the castle doctrine.

  11. NoVA Scout said on 29 Mar 2012 at 10:28 pm:
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    Utter nonsense, 0808. If someone enters my home without authorization, I can use deadly force to protect myself and my family. I may be inconvenienced by having to spend some time explaining what happened to the Fairfax County Police, but, assuming my story holds up, I’m at no risk of doing time for killing a threatening intruder. On the other hand, if I am out and about in the world, why would I not want to retreat before resorting to the use of deadly force?

  12. Doug Brown said on 30 Mar 2012 at 7:19 am:
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    NoVA Scout said :

    “On the other hand, if I am out and about in the world, why would I not want to retreat before resorting to the use of deadly force?”

    In regard to the Martin-Zimmerman case:

    If, if the story is true that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding away then retreat was somewhat problematic.

  13. jm said on 30 Mar 2012 at 8:06 am:
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    @ NoVA Scout at 10:28

    If you do exercise VA’s non-existent castle doctrine, it is true that there is only a slight chance you would face charges, but the risk is there. And there is NOTHING is the legal code or VA case law to protect you from lawsuits resulting from your defending you own property. Without a castle doctrine, the scum you shoot or his survivors could cause you financial ruin.

  14. NoVA Scout said on 30 Mar 2012 at 7:18 pm:
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    jm: the common law here and in England always has been that you can’t use deadly force to defend property. Perfectly sensible. I’m quite sure (well,maybe I’m not so sure, but one can hope) that even people who comment here wouldn’t want to kill someone over an object or chattel property. The way the law has evolved over centuries, and it’s a durn good thing that it has, is that you can kill someone who has forced his way into your home at night while you and/or your family are present, but you can’t rig a spring gun to kill people stealing watermelons. I have absolutely no fear of defending myself legally if I kill a home invader.

    RE DB’s comment about Zimmerman: If he was attacked without provocation and was on his back in fear of his life, self-defense would permit use of force with or without a Stand Your Ground law. It doesn’t help or hurt him legally. He, as you suggest, was, on that set of facts, in no position to retreat. On the other hand, if Treyvon attacked him because Treyvon perceived that he was being stalked by a suspicious fellow who may or may not have been armed, a Stand Your Ground statute no doubt would permit Treyvon to use deadly force (his Skittles apparently didn’t quite measure up to that, but perhaps he gave it his best effort).

    The facts are still not readily available to all, but it does seem very likely that Mr. Zimmerman could have avoided the situation by picking up on the police suggestion that his intervention was not needed.

  15. Anonymous said on 31 Mar 2012 at 7:34 am:
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    If Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, then how is it that they managed to come together again? It was Martin who then approached Zimmerman who was heading back to his truck. Therefore Martin was no longer being ’stalked’, but entered into the fray by approaching Zimmerman instead of continuing on his way. At that point whose fault was the second deadly encounter?

  16. NoVA Scout said on 31 Mar 2012 at 9:47 am:
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    The last comment illustrates the problem with this case: How does one know what happened? Two people knew. One is dead. The other has strong incentive to portray events a certain way, because his life and/or liberty are at stake. What we do know, however, is that this would not have happened if Zimmerman had heeded police advice and broken off his cops-n-robbers game.

  17. Doug Brown said on 31 Mar 2012 at 11:24 am:
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    NoVA Scout,

    I appreciate the points that you are trying to make about so many facts of the incident not being established, but it seems to me that you are assuming as fact that Zimmerman did NOT break off his cops-n-robbers game. Anonymous and news reports have put that ‘fact’ in play, we don’t know for sure, and we still have to hear from individuals who claim to be witnesses. The most important possible witness would probably be the guy who called 911 at the time.

  18. NoVA Scout said on 31 Mar 2012 at 12:45 pm:
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    If he was following Treyvon in his car, how would Treyvon get inside a moving car that was on its way home after Zimmerman’s having had the conversation with the police dispatcher? Again, we’ll find out eventually perhaps. But, based on what we know now, subject to the gathering of additional information, it sure looks like Zimmerman could have made this something that never happened. When someone is dead, that’s a big burden of explanation for Mr. Z.

  19. Dave in PWC said on 31 Mar 2012 at 9:18 pm:
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    Why hasn’t the President or the AG spoken out and condemned the “bounty” the New Black Panthers placed on Zimmerman’s head? Can anyone tell me that? I’ve emailed my elected officials asking them the same question. Think I’ll get any action out of my question?

  20. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Apr 2012 at 7:51 am:
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    Another illegal alien convicted of helping terrorist groups.


  21. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Apr 2012 at 10:17 am:
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    Evidence of more liberal bias by the media.


  22. Paul Madden said on 1 Apr 2012 at 4:32 pm:
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    Dave, you already know the answer to your question. Nah…you’ll get no action.
    The same can be said about the huge shake-up in the sheriff’s department when
    we, the taxpayers who pay the salaries of those crooks want to know the truth
    about the goings on, all the allegations of embezzelment, firings, etc. we must
    rely on the reporting of the Gainesville Times (NOT The News and Messenger) to
    read even a minute item regarding the situation. Something’s drastically wrong
    with this picture. Why is the local rag working so hard to try and protect the
    sheriff and his wrong-doings? Not a word has been reported. No surprise…just

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