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Open Thread

By Greg L | 19 August 2012 | Uncategorized | 59 Comments

Work’s keeping me busy lately, so I haven’t had much time to post.  A couple of observations to start things off here:

- Obama’s amnesty for youthful illegal aliens is causing thousands of illegal aliens to admit to identity fraud and perjury, and identify employers knowingly employing illegal aliens which is a federal felony.  Any guess on how many prosecutions we’ll see? Zero, because this administration has no interest in seeing our laws enforced and is only advancing political goals.  Still, don’t any of you out there admit to felonies, as they will come after you.

- PWC passes a “carryover budget” chock-full of such critical priorities as the police department’s celebration of Black History Month.  As for those oh-so-critical cameras in police cars that Chief Deane was all worked up about a few years back, that still hasn’t been requested in any budget.

- Speaking of PWC, any guesses as to how long it will be before any members of the Board of County Supervisors are indicted?

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  1. anony said on 19 Aug 2012 at 11:33 am:
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    Just as the carryover budget was a sham, Deane’s insistence on in car cameras was a sham; it permitted him to manipulate a too willing BOCS into watering down the immigration resolution. Chief-for-Life Deane (see thread on his retirement) knows politics better than any part-time BOCS member ever will.

  2. Tom Jefferson said on 19 Aug 2012 at 3:57 pm:
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    A group of “non-partisans” in the COM has collected enough signatures to get a referendum on the November ballot to move local elections from May to November. I have to wonder how much behind the scenes help they’ve recieved from the local democrats. While their stated goal is to increase voter participation, it would appear they only want to increase the number of democrats participating. If you look at the make-up of COM government, it looks like republicans don’t have much trouble getting enough participation in May, to get their candidates elected. Local issues are going to get drowned out by national issues. What this group is doing is nothing more than making voting more convenient for a bunch of people who don’t care enough about local issues to spend the 15 minutes it takes to vote in May. Get ready for one or more liberal democrats to try to ride the national elections to local victory. Bad news for Manassas.

  3. Loudoun Insider said on 19 Aug 2012 at 4:39 pm:
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    Don;t hold your breath waiting for indictments. Of course Paul Ebert won’t bring any, just as Jim Plowman never would against anyone from the Loudoun GOBGN, the state is worthless on these kinds of matters, and while the feds have some good field agents, apparently the US Attorney’s office could care less about anything political in Virginia. The USAs in Maryland and the District are cleaning house. Not much in Virginia. I’ll believe any local political corruption indictments when I see them, unfortunately I don’t think we’ll ever see any. Something isn’t right.

  4. Anonymous said on 19 Aug 2012 at 4:57 pm:
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    Why is Peacor still employed?

  5. Riley said on 19 Aug 2012 at 5:55 pm:
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    VRE scandal breaking wide open. FBI investigation confirmed by the Washington Post. Wally Covington and Maureen Caddigan quashing independent investigation of OTHER alleged fraud at the VRE.

    Just another day in PWC…


  6. Bruce Baxter said on 19 Aug 2012 at 9:12 pm:
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    Dear Virginia Ladies and Gentlemen:

    From my perspective, your ultimate solution is political. Once you get Romney elected in the fall, lay the groundwork for a recall election. After Candland, decide who you want to keep, if any. No reason not to go for others beside supervisors. Anticipate lots of collateral damage for the bad guys and girls. Might be a chance to take out you know who?

    The gentlemanly thing to do would be to demand their resignations by passing such a resolution at your PWCRC meeting in December. Shouldn’t be hard to get enough true, principled conservatives at the meeting to do so. If the chair acts up, out vote him or her too. Have your press release ready and start doing media interviews the next day. Don’t telegraph your move, just do it. Maybe December, maybe some other meeting. Keep them thinking it will be the next meeting. Eventually they frazzle and break. Channel Sadam’s ghost and ask how that play works.

    Start getting committee members on record so you can weed out those that were always in it for themselves and devoid of conservative principles. Been gone a decade but it stands to reason that you will have a grandstander or two. Have a strategy in place to minimize them. Not necessarily bad people, just can’t help themselves–the grandstanders that is.


    Bruce Baxter
    Idaho Falls for the season

  7. Chester said on 20 Aug 2012 at 7:44 am:
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    The City of Manassas would not allow Buffalo Wild Wings at Hastings Marketplace to install a full use (serve alcohol) outdoor patio in the back of the restaurnat due to some trees planted in the concrete sidewalk needed a concrete buffer.

    Next, Buffalo Wild Wings, with the blessing of the city, builds a larger outdoor patio in front of the restaurant (Harris Teeter side) and now it is closed because they cannot serve alcohol there.

    Me thinks some of the Depend-clad Democrats at Oakenshaw helped put a wrench in this.

  8. Doug Brown said on 20 Aug 2012 at 8:15 am:
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    Maybe the Real Estate Development company can call on the their man on the City Council, Mark Wolfe, to go toe to toe with those Democrats and force the city to be more accomodating to their tenants. ‘Mark Wolfe vs Democrats,’ I’d buy a beer at BWW, if I could, to watch that one.

    Bruce Baxter,

    Sound advice. Depending on, or counting on the FBI in such a case seems a stretch. BTW congratulations, your man Romney showed more leadership and intellectual self-confidence than most presidential candidates over the last several election cycles by picking Ryan as his VP.

    Doug Brown, A Manassasan For All Seasons (Or at least until the Real Estate Market changes)

  9. Ronald said on 20 Aug 2012 at 7:14 pm:
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    Why Maureen Caddigan doesn’t get primaried is baffling to me…

  10. RadarLV said on 20 Aug 2012 at 7:32 pm:
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    Perusing the online General District Court cases can be very interesting. Manassas City Councilman Mark Wolfe’s wife got a “nolle prosequi” declaration for a reckless driving charge from an incident on 26 July. As I said, interesting.

  11. Riley said on 20 Aug 2012 at 10:36 pm:
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    Because 2011 was a redistricting year and the primary was pushed off until August, which created scheduling problems for me at the time.


  12. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2012 at 6:08 am:
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    Why yes, perusing the General District Court cases can be very interesting:

    Traffic/Criminal Case Details
    Case/Defendant Information
    Case Number : GC12011994-00 File Date : 08/15/2012 Locality : COMMONWEALTH OF VA
    Name : COVINGTON, WALLACE SEMEON; IV Status : Released On Summons Defense Attorney :
    Address : NOKESVILLE, VA 20181 AKA1 : AKA2 :
    Sex : Male Race : White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic) DOB : 07/04/****
    Charge Information
    Code Section : 18.2-248.1 Case Type : Misdemeanor Class : 1
    Offense Date : 07/24/2012 Arrest Date : Complainant : HODGES, B.L.
    Amended Charge : Amended Code : Amended Case Type :
    Hearing Information
    Date Time Result Hearing Type Courtroom Plea Continuance Code
    08/24/2012 08:30 AM Continued Motion 1A
    09/21/2012 09:00 AM

    Traffic/Criminal Case Details
    Case/Defendant Information
    Case Number : GT12055656-00 File Date : 08/15/2012 Locality : PRINCE WILLIAM CO
    Name : COVINGTON, WALLACE SEMEON; IV Status : Released On Summons Defense Attorney :
    Address : NOKESVILLE, VA 20181 AKA1 : AKA2 :
    Sex : Male Race : White Caucasian(Non-Hispanic) DOB : 07/04/****
    Charge Information
    Charge : RD/SP 66/45 /DJF
    Code Section : C.46.2-862 Case Type : Misdemeanor Class : 1
    Offense Date : 07/24/2012 Arrest Date : Complainant : HODGES, B.L.
    Amended Charge : Amended Code : Amended Case Type :
    Hearing Information
    Date Time Result Hearing Type Courtroom Plea Continuance Code
    09/21/2012 09:00 AM

  13. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2012 at 6:26 am:
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    That’s his kid? Don’t have good feelings toward the man, but is it really appropriate to go after his kid?

  14. Ronald said on 21 Aug 2012 at 6:39 am:
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    Thank you for the info Riley

  15. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2012 at 7:57 am:
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    It’s disgusting to go after his kid. Maybe we should go after all bloggers’ kids (and grand kids, Sheriff). Where should we start?

  16. anonymous said on 21 Aug 2012 at 9:01 am:
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    I wonder how they determined it was possession with intent to distribute synthetic weed…weird

  17. RadarLV said on 21 Aug 2012 at 5:05 pm:
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    Were strings pulled for Mrs. Wolfe so that the prosecutor backed off? Discuss amongst yourselves…

  18. Prester John said on 21 Aug 2012 at 7:19 pm:
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    Just for the heck of it I always do a count of presidential bumperstickers and yardsigns in the weeks before the election.

    Now granted I live in the western end of the county but the count is running close to 3 to 1 in favor of R & R and I have yet to see single yardsign for Obama.

    For what’s it worth.

  19. Cynic said on 21 Aug 2012 at 7:52 pm:
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    Before the election in 2008 while traveling in Pa. in the Gettysburg area - noticed many Obama signs.

    In my recent travels in the same area - noticed a few Romney signs but no Obama signs.

  20. Ronald said on 21 Aug 2012 at 9:42 pm:
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    Lawn signs are fun and when you see them for your favorite candidate they genuinely make you feel good…

    That being said, almost every time I think that they mean something because of location or frequency the results of an election seem to go the other way.

  21. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2012 at 9:43 pm:
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    Frontline showed the episode tonight about the shoddy Colgan Air practices leading up to the Buffalo crash. Preexisting problems to Colgan being sold for millions.

  22. Facepalm said on 21 Aug 2012 at 11:00 pm:
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    From FACEBOOK –

    Marty Nohe
    11 hours ago
    Todd Akin should withdraw from the US Senate race immediately. Not because he will now likely lose the race, because losing elections is part of politics. And not because his loss will likely cause Mitt Romney to lose Missouri, because I believe that the people of Missouri are smart enough to know that just because they are members of the same party does not meant that Romney agrees with Akin’s bone-headed statement. Akin should step aside because he has demonstrated that he lacks the kind of good judgment that America deserves in a US Senator. His statements were irresponsible and his best hope to redeem himself is to use better judgment this time and honorably step aside.

    Gee, change a few words and what do you get?

    [Insert PWC BOCS member name here] should [resign] from the [PWC BOCS} immediately. Not because he will now likely lose the race, because losing elections is part of politics. [Insert PWC BOCS member name here] should step aside because he has demonstrated that he lacks the kind of good judgment that [PWC] deserves in a [board member]. His statements were irresponsible and his best hope to redeem himself is to use better judgment this time and honorably step aside.

  23. Anonymous said on 21 Aug 2012 at 11:21 pm:
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    Any thoughts on the Commonwealth’s Attorney office after the Justin Wolfe decision? Given the level of “rebuke” leveled at Richard Conway’s “conduct” by the 4th Circuit, there is no way that he can run with any dignity. Plus he will look silly when Justin attends his campaign events as a live example of how not to conduct a capital murder case.

  24. Former Officer said on 22 Aug 2012 at 5:58 am:
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    I’m no fan of Covington but to the “anonymous” ass who posted about his kid how about putting your name out here so we can look at your and your families history. Really low and uncalled for blow.

  25. Former Officer said on 22 Aug 2012 at 6:00 am:
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    The case with Justin may not be over. For those willing to bust Conway’s chops for this case you really don’t know the whole story. Richard Conway is an excellent prosecutor and an honorable man.

  26. Mom said on 22 Aug 2012 at 7:04 am:
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    The arrest posting is an interesting one, particularly newsworthy no, but interestingly nonetheless for a number of reasons. Without getting into whether it is a low blow or not, since its on the General District Court docket it would appear that he is not a juvenile and it is a public record. Further, it is not the first time that a sitting BOCS member has had family on the court docket, an embarrassing circumstance that got considerable play in the press several years ago with more than one sitting Supervisor if I recall. That being said, its interesting that the MSM did not report it at all but is more than willing to report numerous similar offenses on a daily basis. I’m not making a judgement on whether reporting them is or good or bad, just pointing out that it typically something reported as part of the daily arrest report. Cynics would suggest that the reason it was not reported as a matter of course is self-evident.

    The most interesting aspect however is the role that Ebert will or will not play. I’m sure most are aware of numerous accusations against Ebert for playing politics with charges and prosecution, in this very thread the issue of Justin Wolfe is raised. The crimes are apples and oranges but the questions regarding Ebert are related. Given that Supervisor Covington works for/with the Commonwealth’s Attorney, what role will that relationship play in the ultimate disposition of these charges. Do I care, not particularly, but it is an interesting question.

  27. Doug Brown said on 22 Aug 2012 at 8:37 am:
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    RadarLV said:

    “Perusing the online General District Court cases can be very interesting. ”

    Just as interesting is being there. We live in a two-tiered society where the priviledged get to opt out of the less pleasant aspects of the community they’ve helped create.

    Thank goodness we will, apparently, always have the Manassas Ballet to pay for , I mean go to.

    Rumor is that a recent petition to move Manassas local elections to November had a secret codicil attached that will make attendance at the Ballet mandatory for all residents of Manassas and PWC. Notices will be sent out to residents when they are required to appear. Unfortunately, the PWC Symphony will not be playing, due to lack of funding. A silent Ballet, except for the applause of the audience? Pure artistic genius!

    (p.s. now if ICE will release the dancers to appear, after all a Ballet with out music and dancers is a little farfetched.)

  28. Just the Facts said on 22 Aug 2012 at 9:37 am:
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    Doug - The Manassas Ballet has its own orchestra, which is populated largely with rejects from the old Prince William Symphony. Several years ago, the symphony’s executive director and board cracked down on the “musicians committee” for writing their own contracts that excused them from performing a concert (then subsidized by the taxpayers) if they got a better offer, even at the last minute. They also hired each other without auditions. There were many other abuses the new director and board put an end to. The executive director and board previously had been largely symbolic with this musicians committee running the show. In response, many of them left. Their departure was a blessing, however, because it allowed the orchestra to rebuild using competitive auditions to fill the slots. The result was a far better orchestra than it had ever been, with the others departing for Manassas Ballet.

    Because of corruption in the arts grants process – the next slush fund that needs to be addressed after discretionary funds and carryovers, the symphony’s board voted unanimously to remove itself from the County’s arts grants funding process altogether. It has scaled back its operations but still exists, waiting for the economy to pick up and to rebuild using private sector funds only.

    Corey has been fully aware of the corruption in the arts funding process for years, and has even stated his opposition to so much County money going to a Manassas arts organization. He and Peacor have done absolutely nothing about it, however, and they keep the spigot of PWC taxpayer money (around $60,000 per year) flowing to Wolfe. Wolfe gets far more PWC taxpayer money than he does from Manassas. The former symphony musicians now at Manassas Ballet are still sucking at the PWC taxpayer teat, along with Mark Wolfe, with Corey’s and the BOCS’ full knowledge and complicity.

    Several people have made repeated attempts to reform this process and have met with Corey and others, to no avail. The system and crony funding process are so screwed up and corrupt that further attempts at reform are pretty much a waste of time unless we get a new BOCS.

  29. Doug Brown said on 22 Aug 2012 at 11:46 am:
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    Just the Facts,

    It sounds like a silent ballet might be a welcomed reprieve from what they have now.

    Thanks for the additional background information, I knew some of it, but not all the politics, I’ve heard recordings of, I guess, what must be the new PW Symphony - they’re quite good.

  30. Just the Facts said on 22 Aug 2012 at 12:28 pm:
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    Doug - I’m sure the recordings you’ve heard are of the new orchestra. The one prior to the shakeup did not make any recordings, of which I’m aware. The previous conductor/director was a good guy and well-liked in the community, but he never got a handle on or control of that musicians committee.

    The new director and the board knew that they had a fiduciary duty to the taxpayers whose money they were receiving, to deal with the situation. The result is a largely downsized program at the moment, but everyone - the new executive director and the board - still have their integrity intact. Hopefully, when the economy improves the symphony will be back funded by only private funds. Also, if Candland and perhaps some other NEW supervisors and a new County executive (I know I’m indulging myself in some wishful thinking) continue the shakeup in the County government, and restore some dignity to the arts funding process to make it serve the interests of the community rather than cronies, the symphony might participate in that process again.

  31. Cynic said on 22 Aug 2012 at 5:33 pm:
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    Hope it is OK to change direction!

    For those going on vacation or traveling.

    Notice that neither Virginia or Maryland made the list. That these diseases are making a big comeback is a big surprise! But their re-occurrences does offer opportunities for those interested in attending medical school to become doctors and/or other careers in medicine.


  32. Anonymous said on 22 Aug 2012 at 9:18 pm:
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    Check out the Deane retires post comments for different takes on Deane’s department.

  33. Park'd said on 23 Aug 2012 at 7:16 am:
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    80% increase in water bills in the park and neither Greg nor anyone else here mentions it for the past month? $50 a month more is a lot for folks here in the park. It might mean the difference between gas for the car for the last week or not. I’m really surprised this debacle was not mentioned here. My bill went from $55 to $90+. Only reason I’m still paying it is because with a new baby my wife put her foot down on me telling them where to shove their water bill and cutting the service…

  34. Cynic said on 23 Aug 2012 at 11:21 am:
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    Park’d s,

    Change strategy. With the stroke of a pen applied to your federal tax form you can forget about costs by increasing revenue to the level where these routing expenses have no bearing on your lifestyle.

    And remember, if you lack a sufficient number of your own children, you can use nieces and nephews.


  35. Greg L said on 23 Aug 2012 at 1:00 pm:
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    Sorry I haven’t been able to cover everything people are hoping to read about. Spent this week in Nebraska, Iowa and am now in Ohio and working some crazy long hours. Until I’m back, it’s up to you to pick up the slack and keep other readers informed!

  36. Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2012 at 2:56 pm:
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    Water is very expensive in the rest of PWC also. Don’t forget how the sewer bills have risen so high and are linked to how much water you use. Texas is looking better everyday.

  37. Anonymous said on 23 Aug 2012 at 3:33 pm:
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    Marion Barry officially embraces “Mayor-for-Life” title…Come on Deane, embrace reality like Marion “Chief-for-Life” Deane!!


  38. AndyH said on 24 Aug 2012 at 7:28 am:
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    Bad news: sewer bills will continue to rise due to Chesapeake Bay regulations drafted by EPA and VA DEQ. In Manassas, we have to send our sewage to UOSA. UOSA is selling bonds like mad in order to build treatment facilities to comply with the Federal and State regs….short of taking EPA to court (good luck with that), there is not much the locals can do but comply.

  39. Just the Facts said on 24 Aug 2012 at 12:01 pm:
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    Anybody surprised?


  40. ... said on 27 Aug 2012 at 10:19 am:
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    Why isn’t DC required to do something about this?


  41. Doug Brown said on 30 Aug 2012 at 10:45 pm:
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    “After a two-year investigation, officials with Homeland Security, the FBI, Customs and Border Protection and police busted the alleged prostitutes and several of their customers at 10425 Grant Ave., according to Prince William County police spokesman Jonathan Perok.”

    Two-year investigation next to a school?


  42. Howard Roark said on 31 Aug 2012 at 6:56 am:
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    Doug - who says Marty and the Board stand in the way of bringing jobs to the Coles District?

    Check out the aerial photo of this place on the County real estate mapper:


    The press is saying Manassas, but it is located in the Coles District, and just across from a County elementary school. Note all of the cars parked around and in front of this place.

  43. Not Fast-Just Furious said on 31 Aug 2012 at 9:08 am:
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    “Two-year investigation next to a school?”

    Doug Brown, Don’t you understand? They just want to come to a land of opportunity to escape the poverty of their homeland. The only criminal act they’ve committed is to cross the border illegally. They come here, work hard, raise their families, and then assimilate into the community. They pay their taxes, and are contributors to the economy. The men and women involved here are providing a service to the lonely, hardworking men who came to this country to provide cheap labor. The men running the brothel are creating jobs. The woman working there are providing a valuable community service. Don’t arrest them. Give them work-permits and amnesty. As a matter of fact, give the customers amnesty too. And don’t worry. Even though the illegal community is not inclined to respect outdate American values regarding age of consent and all that, you shouldn’t be concerned there was on-going criminal activity in proximity to a public school. They were actually providing free sex-ed, and therefore saving the public more money.

  44. Howard Roark said on 31 Aug 2012 at 9:41 am:
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    But since they are creating jobs in the private sector, they run afoul of Obama and the liberal Democrats. They surely must be greedy, wealthy money-grubbers since they have nothing to do with the public sector. Everyone knows that real jobs are created only by the government.

    What a dilemma for Obama. Hate them because they are private sector job creators. Love them because they are (most probably) illegal aliens. What’s a hypocritical lib to do?

  45. Doug Brown said on 31 Aug 2012 at 10:03 am:
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    Howard and Furious,

    One question raised by the reports is : Will the small children who live at the house become the “adults’ path to citizenship?

    So once again we have what is becoming the norm in America - abuse and neglect your kids; the government will step in and “help” in some paternalistic, overbearing way, but God help ya if parents of kids in the elementary school question why local and federal authorities allowed a house of prostitution to operate for two years next to a school.

    I hope it was at least under 24/7 surveillance…for two years.

  46. Anonymous said on 31 Aug 2012 at 10:45 am:
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    Doug Brown said on 31 Aug 2012 at 10:03 am:

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    Howard and Furious

    They were only doing the job that Americans refuse to do!

  47. Howard Roark said on 31 Aug 2012 at 12:03 pm:
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    Doug -

    “…local and federal authorities allowed a house of prostitution to operate for two years next to a school.”

    This is the most troubling part of the whole incident. Look at the map I linked above. You can zoom out also to see the wider area. That house is a stone’s throwing distance and just across the street from an elementary school. They suspected for two years that something like that was going on? They did nothing about it until now even though it’s across the street from an elementary school? This is ludicrous.

    What are we paying “officials with Homeland Security, the FBI, Customs and Border Protection and police” (quoting from the article) for? How difficult is it to get an agent or agents to go there and pretend to be customers and resolve the matter, or even figure out what’s going on from just a few days of surveillance?

    Could it be that under Obama Federal law enforcement has become so politically correct that risking offending “immigrants” is a more serious concern than risking the safety of our kindergarten and elementary school kids? The article says “police” also. Where was Chief Deane on this?

    I’m asking a lot questions, but I want answers. The handling of this incident by the “authorities” is inexcusably incompetent.

  48. Anonymous said on 31 Aug 2012 at 12:24 pm:
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    I assure you the feds couldn’t give two sh*ts about a bordello unless it had to do with drugs or human trafficking. And they wouldn’t have known about the place at all unless the PWCPD or some task force they are part of came across it during an investigation. My guess (educated) is that the feds/task force/PWCPD were looking for a big dope bust, but it didn’t pan out, so they took the low hanging fruit and busted them for misdemeanor public nuisance crimes like soliciting a prostitute etc…all in all a horrible waste of time and effort. I’m surprised they wanted to publicize the fiasco at all with those miserable results.

    Deane should have shut that down soon after it was discovered because a few more drugs off the street isn’t worth the ongoing danger to the public and kids at the school from drugs/sex whatever else was going on there. What if there was a shooting or something related to the drugs? Really bad judgement all the way around. Locals should have shut that down.

  49. Doug Brown said on 31 Aug 2012 at 3:00 pm:
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    The participation of federal officials also raises the question whether human trafficing was an issue in this investigation. ….Next to a school with a playground

    Did the participation of the feds contribute to prolonging the investigation or was it a factor in finally closing the place down?

  50. Anonymous said on 31 Aug 2012 at 3:03 pm:
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    A two year human trafficking investigation of one location (as opposed to a network) wouldn’t make sense because they wouldn’t leave the woman in jeopardy.

  51. Anonymous said on 31 Aug 2012 at 4:04 pm:
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    Dean was thinking about his retirement. Besides, Latinos were involved and they are given a wide berth when it involves criminal activity. Wanna bet ICE will give them a wide berth too. How many other “businesses like this are still going on?

  52. Anonymous said on 31 Aug 2012 at 4:39 pm:
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    One last example of bad judgement by Deane. Allowing a two year investigation next to a school, for whatever reason - drugs, human trafficking, prostitution - is ridiculous. I am sure this started out as a drug investigation, and it just didn’t pan out. The point is, with drugs comes guns and violence, and unless the task force was constantly monitoring the house - which they weren’t or they would have shut it down sooner - the investigation should have been terminated quickly. For the safety of the citizens of PWC.

  53. Doug Brown said on 1 Sep 2012 at 11:57 am:
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    One of the individuals named ( a woman) in the press had a North Carolina ID. Hence, the suggestion of trafficking and involvement of Feds.

  54. Tell the truth said on 3 Sep 2012 at 7:46 am:
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    How many kids were frequenting the place? Oh the poor babies

  55. Ronald said on 4 Sep 2012 at 11:36 am:
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  56. Howard Roark said on 4 Sep 2012 at 2:07 pm:
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    For a good laugh, check out the PWC Democrats’ page on Obama’s top-20 accomplishments. Maybe some delusional thinking there?

    4. Killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan
    5. Eliminated most of al-Qaida leadership
    6. Toppled Muammar Gaddafi and liberated the people of Libya (without US troops)

    I’m waiting for the photo of Obama dressed as a Navy Seal to come out. Also, the White House version of the events of the killing of bin Laden may not be entirely non-fiction, as the new book by the Navy Seal being published today reveals. I’ve read that the author, the publisher and their attorneys scrutinized the book carefully prior to publication to avoid violating any secrecy or security rules. The Obama Defense Dept. tried to suppress its publication. Comment by people with more military experience than I have would be interesting on this matter.


  57. Doug Brown said on 5 Sep 2012 at 8:08 am:
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    I’m probably in the minority here on the Osama issue, but Obama does deserve the political credit for ordering the mission to take out OBL. He’s in the position of Commander-in-Chief whether one likes it or not. Not surprising that they, PWC dems, revel in the tough guy talk : “Killed” OBL in Pakistan. At least when Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, he really might have taken the stick during the flight, the only way Obama could have arrived at the Paki compound was by bicycle


    As for No. 5, I’m surprised they didn’t blame Bush for that, since eliminating most of the “most” was team W’s accomplishment.

    As for Gaddafi, total BS and gross ignoramce of what happened in Libya, maybe one day when Hillary, Sarkozy, Cameron (& Wpost &NYT) are up on war crimes at the Hague for it they might learn some facts concerning just how stupid Libya was from almost every imaginable angle.

    What was at the top of Obama’s accomplishments? Int’l Bankers’ Lap Dog?

  58. Shameful said on 9 Sep 2012 at 2:24 am:
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    Justin Wolfe about to go free because Prosecutors conduct” abhorrent” to justice…

  59. Cynic said on 14 Sep 2012 at 1:52 pm:
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    A lesson by Genghis Khan -


    Referring to the Khwarezmian Empire Event, circa 1220 AD

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